The "Free Press" has a Narrative that Assumes Gays are being Denied a Right...

[The T]

where's the overwhelming empirical evidence? link?

changing cultural views is just peer pressure dressed up in a new suit.

not that there's anythiung wrong with that...

There isn't any...

It was Social Pressure.

And it was Rooted in Homosexuals being Wrongfully Persecuted and Prosecuted for doing what shouldn't be anyone's Business...

Anyone's.

But they didn't Change their Take on Homosexuality being a Mental Issue because they found Substantive Evidence to Counter that Conclusion...

It was simply that the Defiance of their Design wasn't really hurting anyone...

Except themselves depending on the Issue.

But that wasn't enough for the APA to continue to be one of the Reasons that the Law was going after Gays.

Sodomy Laws were Wrong...

Unfortunately it didn't stop there.

Civil Unions as a matter of Federal Law should have happened during the Clinton Adminstration and then most of this Debate would be over, instead the Absurd, calling Homosexual Coupling and Heterosexual Coupling Equal when they so Clearly are not, is now what is the Goal.

This is now about Validation, not being able to have Access to Loved One's or Will Issues or Custody Issues.

Civil Unions would Solve ALL of those Issues...

But we have gone past that now...

And Barry Assisted in that.



peace...

link?

civil unions wouldn't solve anything

separate but equal isn't.

Try forced acceptence...

30+ States have had thier say...

 

[bodecea]

There isn't any...

It was Social Pressure.

And it was Rooted in Homosexuals being Wrongfully Persecuted and Prosecuted for doing what shouldn't be anyone's Business...

Anyone's.

But they didn't Change their Take on Homosexuality being a Mental Issue because they found Substantive Evidence to Counter that Conclusion...

It was simply that the Defiance of their Design wasn't really hurting anyone...

Except themselves depending on the Issue.

But that wasn't enough for the APA to continue to be one of the Reasons that the Law was going after Gays.

Sodomy Laws were Wrong...

Unfortunately it didn't stop there.

Civil Unions as a matter of Federal Law should have happened during the Clinton Adminstration and then most of this Debate would be over, instead the Absurd, calling Homosexual Coupling and Heterosexual Coupling Equal when they so Clearly are not, is now what is the Goal.

This is now about Validation, not being able to have Access to Loved One's or Will Issues or Custody Issues.

Civil Unions would Solve ALL of those Issues...

But we have gone past that now...

And Barry Assisted in that.



peace...

link?

civil unions wouldn't solve anything

separate but equal isn't.

Try forced acceptence...

30+ States have had thier say...

Hear the same complaints against "forced acceptance" of integration in the 60s. You are in "good" company, Tommy. They usually liked to get liquored up too.

 

[del]

There isn't any...

It was Social Pressure.

And it was Rooted in Homosexuals being Wrongfully Persecuted and Prosecuted for doing what shouldn't be anyone's Business...

Anyone's.

But they didn't Change their Take on Homosexuality being a Mental Issue because they found Substantive Evidence to Counter that Conclusion...

It was simply that the Defiance of their Design wasn't really hurting anyone...

Except themselves depending on the Issue.

But that wasn't enough for the APA to continue to be one of the Reasons that the Law was going after Gays.

Sodomy Laws were Wrong...

Unfortunately it didn't stop there.

Civil Unions as a matter of Federal Law should have happened during the Clinton Adminstration and then most of this Debate would be over, instead the Absurd, calling Homosexual Coupling and Heterosexual Coupling Equal when they so Clearly are not, is now what is the Goal.

This is now about Validation, not being able to have Access to Loved One's or Will Issues or Custody Issues.

Civil Unions would Solve ALL of those Issues...

But we have gone past that now...

And Barry Assisted in that.



peace...

link?

civil unions wouldn't solve anything

separate but equal isn't.

Try forced acceptence...

30+ States have had thier say...

i'm sure if i was drunk enough this would make sense, tommy.

 

[LockeJaw]

Well everyone here should be aware that homosexuality wasn't taken off the APA's list sexual mental disorders because of any scientific breakthrough of any sort, but because of political pressure. I hope so anyway, because if you cannot even concede that point, you shouldn't even pretend to know what you're talking about,

It was not solely due to social pressure...


Confronted with overwhelming empirical evidence and changing cultural views of homosexuality, psychiatrists and psychologists radically altered their views, beginning in the 1970s.

Homosexuality and Mental Health

There was no empirical scientific evidence whatsoever. It was entirely pushed through by political pressure, intimidation, and threats, as well as forged APA credentials and other trickery. There is zero scientific proof of a gay gene and the whole "homosexuality among other mammals is normal" is the "overwhelimg evidence" they used in the end. Anyway, here's a link that pulverizes that myth:
The Animal Homosexuality Myth
Snip:"Animals Do It, So It's Natural, Right?
The reasoning behind the animal homosexuality theory can be summed up as follows:

- Homosexual behavior is observable in animals.
- Animal behavior is determined by their instincts.
- Nature requires animals to follow their instincts.
- Therefore, homosexuality is in accordance with animal nature.
- Since man is also animal, homosexuality must also be in accordance with human nature.
This line of reasoning is unsustainable. If seemingly "homosexual" acts among animals are in accordance with animal nature, then parental killing of offspring and intra-species devouring are also in accordance with animal nature. Bringing man into the equation complicates things further. Are we to conclude that filicide and cannibalism are according to human nature?
In opposition to this line of reasoning, this article sustains that:

There is no "homosexual instinct" in animals,
It is poor science to "read" human motivations and sentiments into animal behavior, and
Irrational animal behavior is not a yardstick to determine what is morally acceptable behavior for rational man."

 

[The T]

link?

civil unions wouldn't solve anything

separate but equal isn't.

Try forced acceptence...

30+ States have had thier say...

i'm sure if i was drunk enough this would make sense, tommy.

Deflection and NON answer Dull.

Try again with what you KNOW...

 

[del]

Try forced acceptence...

30+ States have had thier say...

i'm sure if i was drunk enough this would make sense, tommy.

Deflection and NON answer Dull.

Try again with what you KNOW...

i know you're a drunk who, with adequate coaching, could probably pour piss out of a boot if the directions were printed on the sole.

 

[The T]

i'm sure if i was drunk enough this would make sense, tommy.

Deflection and NON answer Dull.

Try again with what you KNOW...

i know you're a drunk who, with adequate coaching, could probably pour piss out of a boot if the directions were printed on the sole.

then you know ZERO.

Come again when you think you have the answer will you?

 

[del]

Deflection and NON answer Dull.

Try again with what you KNOW...

i know you're a drunk who, with adequate coaching, could probably pour piss out of a boot if the directions were printed on the sole.

then you know ZERO.

Come again when you think you have the answer will you?

i'm not even breathing heavily, tommy.

drink up

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Try forced acceptence...

30+ States have had thier say...

In violation of the 14th Amendment.

Rights are not determined by popular vote.

There is no "homosexual instinct" in animals,
It is poor science to "read" human motivations and sentiments into animal behavior, and
Irrational animal behavior is not a yardstick to determine what is morally acceptable behavior for rational man."

All of which is legally and Constitutionally irrelevant.

In order for a jurisdiction to justify denying same sex couples access to marriage law, it must:

Establish a compelling reason to deny same-sex couples their Equal Protection rights as mandated by the 14th Amendment,

Submit objective, credible evidence in support of the rationale to preempt the right, and,

Demonstrate the measure is not motivated by animus.

 

[mal]

where's the overwhelming empirical evidence? link?

changing cultural views is just peer pressure dressed up in a new suit.

not that there's anythiung wrong with that...

There isn't any...

It was Social Pressure.

And it was Rooted in Homosexuals being Wrongfully Persecuted and Prosecuted for doing what shouldn't be anyone's Business...

Anyone's.

But they didn't Change their Take on Homosexuality being a Mental Issue because they found Substantive Evidence to Counter that Conclusion...

It was simply that the Defiance of their Design wasn't really hurting anyone...

Except themselves depending on the Issue.

But that wasn't enough for the APA to continue to be one of the Reasons that the Law was going after Gays.

Sodomy Laws were Wrong...

Unfortunately it didn't stop there.

Civil Unions as a matter of Federal Law should have happened during the Clinton Adminstration and then most of this Debate would be over, instead the Absurd, calling Homosexual Coupling and Heterosexual Coupling Equal when they so Clearly are not, is now what is the Goal.

This is now about Validation, not being able to have Access to Loved One's or Will Issues or Custody Issues.

Civil Unions would Solve ALL of those Issues...

But we have gone past that now...

And Barry Assisted in that.



peace...

link?

civil unions wouldn't solve anything

separate but equal isn't.

Heterosexual Coupling is not Equal to Homosexual Coupling.

One Creates Life... One NEVER has and never will.

One is Fundamental to our Very Existance and Survival... One is Obviously not.



peace...

 

[mal]

link?

civil unions wouldn't solve anything

separate but equal isn't.

Try forced acceptence...

30+ States have had thier say...

Hear the same complaints against "forced acceptance" of integration in the 60s. You are in "good" company, Tommy. They usually liked to get liquored up too.

Race and Sexual Deviations are not the same.



peace...

 

[del]

There isn't any...

It was Social Pressure.

And it was Rooted in Homosexuals being Wrongfully Persecuted and Prosecuted for doing what shouldn't be anyone's Business...

Anyone's.

But they didn't Change their Take on Homosexuality being a Mental Issue because they found Substantive Evidence to Counter that Conclusion...

It was simply that the Defiance of their Design wasn't really hurting anyone...

Except themselves depending on the Issue.

But that wasn't enough for the APA to continue to be one of the Reasons that the Law was going after Gays.

Sodomy Laws were Wrong...

Unfortunately it didn't stop there.

Civil Unions as a matter of Federal Law should have happened during the Clinton Adminstration and then most of this Debate would be over, instead the Absurd, calling Homosexual Coupling and Heterosexual Coupling Equal when they so Clearly are not, is now what is the Goal.

This is now about Validation, not being able to have Access to Loved One's or Will Issues or Custody Issues.

Civil Unions would Solve ALL of those Issues...

But we have gone past that now...

And Barry Assisted in that.



peace...

link?

civil unions wouldn't solve anything

separate but equal isn't.

Heterosexual Coupling is not Equal to Homosexual Coupling.

One Creates Life... One NEVER has and never will.

One is Fundamental to our Very Existance and Survival... One is Obviously not.



peace...

so you've got nothing

shocker

 

[LockeJaw]

Try forced acceptence...

30+ States have had thier say...

In violation of the 14th Amendment.

Rights are not determined by popular vote.

There is no "homosexual instinct" in animals,
It is poor science to "read" human motivations and sentiments into animal behavior, and
Irrational animal behavior is not a yardstick to determine what is morally acceptable behavior for rational man."

All of which is legally and Constitutionally irrelevant.

In order for a jurisdiction to justify denying same sex couples access to marriage law, it must:

Establish a compelling reason to deny same-sex couples their Equal Protection rights as mandated by the 14th Amendment,

Submit objective, credible evidence in support of the rationale to preempt the right, and,

Demonstrate the measure is not motivated by animus.

We weren't talking about that at the moment, I was just providing evidence that it was nothing more than political correctness that got homosexuality removed from the list of mental disorder. One thing at a time, my friend. I'll address your point as soon as I see proof refuting my claim.

 

[LockeJaw]

Try forced acceptence...

30+ States have had thier say...

Hear the same complaints against "forced acceptance" of integration in the 60s. You are in "good" company, Tommy. They usually liked to get liquored up too.

Race and Sexual Deviations are not the same.



peace...

Correct, and as a black man I am tired of people pretending they're similar in any way. Its just plain wrong.

 

[koshergrl]

Actually, Kinsey got homosexuality removed from the APA's list of mental disorders.

His studies, performed by a variety of child molesters on babies as young as 4 months, resulted in the meme that all sexuality, including child sexuality, is *normal* and it is society that has the problem..not sexual deviants.

 

[koshergrl]

"
Prior to December 14, 1973, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) considered same-sex attraction a disorder. The disorder was listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders-II (DSM-II) under the label, “Homosexuality.” Psychiatry’s authoritative voice influenced public opinion, which at the time was negative toward both sodomy and the types of people who engaged in such acts. Although public sexual activity in parks and public restrooms contributed to societies negative views, “scientific opinion” was crucial in the public attitude.
In an effort to remove “Homosexuality” from the DSM pro-sodomy activists began a program of intimidation aimed at the American Psychiatric Association circa 1970. Activist Franklin Kameny states the movement’s objective clearly, “I feel that the entire homophile movement…is going to stand or fall upon the question of whether or not homosexuality is a sickness, and upon our taking a firm stand on it…”[1] Franklin Kameny led the Washington D.C. chapter of the Mattachine Society during the 1960’s. In the tradition of Magnus Hirschfield and Alfred Kinsey, Kameny viewed one’s attraction to a specific gender as fluid, and viewed sodomy as morally equivalent to natural sexuality. "

The Born "Gay" Hoax |

 

[del]

"
Prior to December 14, 1973, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) considered same-sex attraction a disorder. The disorder was listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders-II (DSM-II) under the label, “Homosexuality.” Psychiatry’s authoritative voice influenced public opinion, which at the time was negative toward both sodomy and the types of people who engaged in such acts. Although public sexual activity in parks and public restrooms contributed to societies negative views, “scientific opinion” was crucial in the public attitude.
In an effort to remove “Homosexuality” from the DSM pro-sodomy activists began a program of intimidation aimed at the American Psychiatric Association circa 1970. Activist Franklin Kameny states the movement’s objective clearly, “I feel that the entire homophile movement…is going to stand or fall upon the question of whether or not homosexuality is a sickness, and upon our taking a firm stand on it…”[1] Franklin Kameny led the Washington D.C. chapter of the Mattachine Society during the 1960’s. In the tradition of Magnus Hirschfield and Alfred Kinsey, Kameny viewed one’s attraction to a specific gender as fluid, and viewed sodomy as morally equivalent to natural sexuality. "

The Born "Gay" Hoax |

 

[koshergrl]

Gay researcher and activist on the importance of pushing the correlation between race and homosexuality:

"“All the civil rights legislation passed in the ’60s is based on the knowledge that there is a genetic and immutable difference between blacks and whites. Of course, blacks are still discriminated against, but the legal advances they’ve made are based on those genetic differences. And I think that is a major stumbling block for our gaining the same protection as other groups. There is a survey in the New York Times that broke down people on the basis of whether they thought gays and lesbians were born that way or whether it was a lifestyle choice. Across the board, those who thought gays and lesbians were born that way were more liberal and gay friendly.”

The Born "Gay" Hoax |

 

[LockeJaw]

"
Prior to December 14, 1973, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) considered same-sex attraction a disorder. The disorder was listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders-II (DSM-II) under the label, “Homosexuality.” Psychiatry’s authoritative voice influenced public opinion, which at the time was negative toward both sodomy and the types of people who engaged in such acts. Although public sexual activity in parks and public restrooms contributed to societies negative views, “scientific opinion” was crucial in the public attitude.
In an effort to remove “Homosexuality” from the DSM pro-sodomy activists began a program of intimidation aimed at the American Psychiatric Association circa 1970. Activist Franklin Kameny states the movement’s objective clearly, “I feel that the entire homophile movement…is going to stand or fall upon the question of whether or not homosexuality is a sickness, and upon our taking a firm stand on it…”[1] Franklin Kameny led the Washington D.C. chapter of the Mattachine Society during the 1960’s. In the tradition of Magnus Hirschfield and Alfred Kinsey, Kameny viewed one’s attraction to a specific gender as fluid, and viewed sodomy as morally equivalent to natural sexuality. "

The Born "Gay" Hoax |

????

 

[koshergrl]

Here are the references:

Newsweek: February 24, 1992 p.49
[2] As quoted in Byrd, et al., 2001, emp. added

[3] Joyce Price, "Federal Cancer Lab Hunts for Gay Gene," The Washington Times, 3 April 1994

[4] New York Native, 7-10-95, p.25

[5] New York Native, 7-10-95, p.28

[6] New York Native 7-10-95, p.28, (emphasis added)

[7] New York Native, 7-10-95, p.25, 28
[8] Rice et al., 1999 and Wickelgren, 1999

[9] Dean H. Hamer, George Rice, Neil Risch, and George Ebers,et al. "Genetics and Male Sexual Orientation" (Technical Comment), Science 285 (6 August 1999: 803a.)

[10] The Washington Blade, 1-30-98, p.114

[11] The Washington Blade, 1-30-98, p.14

[12] The Advocate, 3-24-92, p.61

[13] The Advocate, 3-24-92, p.61

[14] The Advocate, 3-24-92, p.61

[15] The Advocate, 3-24-92, p.62