georgephillip
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Similar to the "cowardice" displayed by hundreds of thousands (millions) of European Jews who, with families in tow, marched off meekly to Hitler's gas chambers. What guts/glory do you find in those who turned their children into soap instead of engaging in manly resistance against the Nazis? Possibly that sad example of Jewish self-esteem explains today's Spartan Jew's persecution of the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine (along with billions of $ in US taxpayer blood money, of course,)Copycat.Why Palestinians didn't field a larger force doesn't change the fact that 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation by force of arms on twice as many non-Jews in 1948 Palestine, does it?Ten (10) percent of their fighting males and their biggest leader, gone, George?
What about the other ninety (90%) percent, finding new leaders, to help them make their stand, when it came time to defend their homes?
Confiscated equipment in the 1930s, attributable to the Arab Uprising of 1936-1937?
Maybe they should not have chosen poorly (again!) and revolted in the first place against the mighty British Empire under the circumstances, in such a tight, confined, accessible area, with no prospect of winning, eh?
And even so, why didn't the Palestinians smuggle-in NEW equipment on an even grander scale than that smuggled-in by the Jews, to replace what they'd lost?
And, didn't the British leave most of their equipment and rolling-stock and bases and forts to the Arabs, as the British were leaving Palestine?
Your excuse-making for the Palestinians not fielding a larger force in defense of their own homes is wearing rather thin.
"Of the 1,358,000 Palestinian Arab 9itizens of Palestine in 1948, approximately 873;600 resided within what. would become the Israeli borders, 485,000 without. The Israelis recorded 156,000 non-Jews in 1948, a number that included perhaps 1,000 non-Arabs, leaving 155,000 Palestinians in Israel. This means that 718,000 Palestinians either were refugees or died during the war."
Your amateurish attempts to divert an inquiry into Jewish ethnic cleansing in 1948 Palestine by changing the subject to why didn't the victims do a better job of organizing their defense is also becoming thin.
Palestine Population: During The Ottoman And The British Mandate Periods - Palestine Remembered
As a non-stakeholder, I, for one, do not bother to try to avoid the idea that 650,000 Jews imposed their newly-reborn State upon 1,300,000 Arab Palestinians.
Whatever in the world led you to believe that I was trying to distract such a focus?
Hell, I'll agree with you in-public, 100 times out of 100.
The difference being that you think that's a disgrace to the Jews...
Whereas I think that's a disgrace to the Palestinians, and say so, often...
Whatever in the world leads you to believe that I was trying to distract attention away from Jewish intentions to Evict the Palestinians from their lands and Expel them to Jordan and Lebanon?
Hell, I'll agree with you in-public, 100 times out of 100.
The difference being that you think that's a disgrace to the Jews...
Whereas I think it's their only chance for long-term survival, by expelling the Enemy in their Midst...
You must have me confused with some other poster who tries to dodge those issues...
I meet them head-on, and celebrate them, to varying degrees...
But none of that excuses the unpreparedness and incompetence and cowardice and Big Skeddadle of your beloved Palestinians in 1948...
Although it's clear that you've exhausted your short list of excuses for their cowardice and have resorted to other tactics...
My goodness... 718,000 is, indeed, a Big Skeddadle...![]()
How much different might their fate have been, had they (1) had the brains to adequately prepare for what was clearly coming in a few years, like the Jews did, and (2) had the courage to collectively stand their ground and fight for their land, for themselves and their descendants, relying upon their own mettle, like the Jews did, rather than running like women, and leaving it to mercenaries...
Never mind the fine job that Israeli women did in support and combat roles during their 1948 bid for a homeland, unlike most of the Palestinian men-folk who skeddadled... more shame on them...![]()
No guts, no glory...
"A coward dies a thousand deaths - in a refugee camp for 65 years after running - a brave man dies but one..."
Big Skeddadle, indeed...
"However, the Holocaust was a deeply traumatic experience which shocked the Western Jews who survived the genocide. As a result, the extreme and the fringe in Jewish politics became the mainstream, and the 'Never Again' slogan was born.
"For the average Westerner, this slogan may not sound harsh; after all European Jews suffered European anti-Semitism for centuries. On the other hand, to us, the Palestinian people, this slogan implies 'Never Again' regardless of the price; 'Never Again' even if others become the victim, 'Never Again' period.
"This slogan carries behind it deep negative emotions, which is rarely analyzed or debated; it is a taboo to discuss. Many Western Jews felt betrayed by their respective nations who persecuted them for centuries, and many of these nations openly collaborated with Nazi Germany, who often handed their Jewish citizens to the SS.
"This was deeply a traumatic and a very humiliating experience not only to European Jews, but also to the European nations (no exception) who witnessed the genocide and at minimum turned their heads the other way. Those who survived the Holocaust found in the Zionist ideology their salvation. Zionism gave them the feeling of empowerment where Jews and Jews alone (no gentile or Goyim) must be the masters of their own future, and they promised themselves never to be the victim again.
"Consequently, I believe this is the moment when the Spartan Jew was born and the 'Never Again' slogan became its moral facade.
"When Israelis strikes at Palestinians; they are not only sending messages to Palestinians, they are not only retaliating against Palestinian violence, they're also sending messages to their deprived self-esteem (for lack of a better term) and to the rest of the world that the Jew will not be the victim again.
"From my experience, rarely you rationally can discuss the conflict with neither a Jew nor a Westerner without the memories of the Holocaust being so close behind; I always felt those memories even when not a word of the Holocaust was mentioned; simply it is there, simply it cannot be discussed.
"That is the primary reason why discussing this conflict with many Jews and Westerners is very frustrating; you want to discuss the real issues (dispossession, ethnic cleansing, & colonization), but you can't. Sadly, the emotional barriers are so great to overcome, especially when those emotional barriers cannot be discussed.
"Often in such discussions, the Palestinian is painted as the anti-Semitic, and Palestinian resistance to Israeli war crimes becomes 'terrorism'.
"Sometimes I wonder why the West is scared of confronting this emotional barrier?
"Could it because this barrier masks the way Westerners treated their Jewish citizens for centuries?
"Could it be that discussing this particular problem will open a Pandora's Box?
"I don't know if I am right or wrong, however, I am certain that this emotional barrier should be studied further; I believe this taboo contains few of the important keys that are essential to resolving this conflict.
The Spartan Jew - Palestine Remembered
