The First Nakba Map...in Hebrew

"constructing an official authoritative narrative of a Jewish-Zionist only national identity" is a phrase from the OP which hasn't been proven as a fact: it remains purely an opinion of some extremists.

I'm fine with hating the British for their duplicity - but blaming the Israelis for what the British did is ludicrous. And no amount of wrong-doing elsewhere exonerates the Arab League nations from their own conspiracy and collusion to commit ethnic cleansing upon the hapless Jewish minority from whom they stole everything before ejecting them -for no other reason than that they were Jews as well as Arabs.
WTF do you mean "stole everything"? How do you steal from someone who isn't even there? And since indigenous arabs owned 90% of the land in Palestine for the last 2000 years, what was stolen?


The whole 'racist Zionist' canard rings very hollow while such demonstrations of Arab League perfidy remain completely ignored, or worse still, when apologists attempt to 'justify' said ethnic cleansing.
Care to eat those words? Had any crow lately?

Just say the word and I'll feed you a plate!


Listen idiot, Zionist genocide is not dependent on the existence of arab genocide.

You can have one without the other.

And the FACTS, the numbers of the remaining 'minority' communities, bear witness that the 'Zionist ethnic cleansing effort' was far from effective.
So you admit the Zionist attempt to commit genocide against the Pals?


One further wonders if ALL the 20% of Israeli CITIZENS who are Arab Muslims or Christians actually DO believe in the 'Nakba' narrative......
It's a little hard to deny 750,000 arabs driven from their land by jewish terrorists.

WTF do you mean "stole everything"? How do you steal from someone who isn't even there? And since indigenous arabs owned 90% of the land in Palestine for the last 2000 years, what was stolen?

He was talking about the Expulsion of almost 1 Million Jews from Arab states starting in 1948
 
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Good one... really funny stuff!
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Tell that to the South Vietnamese, Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussein and Manuel Noriega.

All US ally's and all abandoned by the US when it was no longer in our interests to support.

None of those are Israel
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*yawn* Iran is NOT an Arab state

Try again
Shiite's are not arab?

What are they? Dutch-Indonesian?

I was talking about how Jews were expelled from Arab states, and then you pull up some video about the former Iranian president meeting anti - Zionist Jews, who were kissing his ass ( BTW, I've seen that video before) and what the hell did that video have to do with what I posted?

And for the last time: PERSIANS ARE NOT ARABS
 
Twice as many?

Then why didn't they win?

Add another 50,000-80,000 soldiers from the five invading Arab countries, and all their air forces and armored brigades and the like, and the Israelis were really overwhelmed, with respect to fighting strength.

And the Jews STILL held-out and won a country for themselves.

Any collective body which is THAT incompetent when holding every early advantage and overwhelming numerical superiority against a rag-tag amateurish challenger, especially when attacking an Infant State, does not DESERVE to win, and is, largely, an object of ridicule and contemptuous laughter around the world, outside the domain of their own co-religionists.

Nature has DE-selected them for our purposes here.
You find it remarkable 115,000 Jews won against 70,000 Arabs?
Why don't you look real hard and find a link for that "overwhelming numerical superiority" kosher bs of yours?
Nature had no more to do with the selection of Jews in Palestine than it did with Protestants in Northern Ireland. England needed colonies and found immigrants it could pay to form a wedge between the indigenous population and rich, royal whores in the City of London.

1948 Palestine war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The British had prohibited the importation of arms into Mandate Palestine for years prior to the 1948 Israeli Declaration of Statehood and Independence.

When the British abandoned Palestine at the termination of the Mandate, the British turned over all their military bases and the arms that they were not taking with them, to Arab irregular militias and the Arab Legion; arming the Arabs while barring the Jews from obtaining weapons, except through smuggling, right up the minute that the Brits departed.

The Brits sided with the Arabs rather than the Jews, as they left Palestine.

Far better armed, with far more population, and help from well-equipped and well-trained neighbor-armies, and in possession of British forts and bases, the Arabs should have won.

The Jews of Palestine fielded an approximate 115,000 warm bodies to staff the Israeli 'Army' during the 1948-1949 War of Independence, which included all logistics and support personnel... desk-huggers, truck drivers, supply clerks, paper-pushers, female fighters, locally-bound militia units, kibbutz guards, etc.

They fielded these 115,000 from a population of 650,000 - according to your own numbers.

And, according to your own numbers, the Muslim-Arabs of Palestine numbered some 1,300,000 souls (650,000 x 2 [twice that number]).

A Palestinian Army-Militia should then have numbered twice that of the Jews - or, 115,000 X 2 = 330,000 Palestinian soldiers (including all support troops), if the Arabs were as brave and committed as the Jews were.

Now, when we add to that 330,000 - another 70,000 Muslim-Arab troops pouring in from Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, and Egypt - and backed by Saudi Arabia, Libya, Morocco, Yemen, etc., you should have had something like 400,00 Arabs (330,000 + 70,000) against 115,000 Jews with NO Air Force and NO Armored Formations, yes?

Are you saying that you did not have 400,000 Arabs mustered to fight the Jews?

I mean, the neighboring Arab countries did THEIR part, sending 70,000 first-rate and highly trained and excellently equipped soldiers, complete with substantial Air Power and Armored Brigades and all the rest, right?

If there was a deficiency of numbers favoring the Israelis, then, where-oh-where did this deficiency stem from?

Must have been the PALESTINIANS who failed to summon the courage and resources to field enough men to win the day, alongside their Arab neighbor-benefactors.

Of course, in truth, they were too busy running, weren't they?

It wasn't 'The Nakba' - it was 'The Big Skeddadle'...
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And against what (at that time) was the worlds' crappiest, least-equipped, most poorly-trained Militia Army...
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Just like 'Incompetents', a people who will not muster the courage in sufficient numbers to defend their own lands against a similarly (actually, even worse-) challenged adversary, do not win battles in the field.

They lose their land.

If you won't fight for your homes - even when you receive a windfall and huge infusion of troops and war-assets from your neighbors - then you do not deserve to win.

Again, Nature has DE-selected them... for one reason or another.

And, of course, a highly-skilled and professionally-trained Egyptian or Syrian or Iraqi or Jordanian or Lebanese soldier should have been worth a half-dozen or more poorly equipped and poorly trained Jewish militiamen...

And they weren't.

Again... gross incompetency contributed to that round of Natural Selection.

Thereby explaining the contemptuous and raucous laughter of much of the non-Muslim world.

It's a pathetically poor showing and track record for those incompetent and ineffective fools.

No WONDER they've been a laughing-stock, ever since!
Couldn't find your link, hapless hasbara.
Wanna try again?
 
It appears that many people need a scapegoat for their unfortunate circumstances in life, so for George it is the Jews as it is for the other anti-Semites. Since George has never made a comment about what the Muslims are doing to innocent people, not even when it happens to involve other innocent Muslims, the word which comes to mind for George is dhimmitude
The word that comes to mind for Sally is "hapless"

"So at the end of the Second World War, the British realized, as the system of protectorates in the Middle East began to unravel, that a different strategy was needed. Not having been able to transplant Western values in the populations of any Middle Eastern country, it became apparent that only another British colony, populated by people of European origin, could ever hope to succeed.

"Thus the British continued the duplicitous diplomacy of making promises it never intended to keep, concocted a racist Balfour Declaration, and sought to use the Jews of Europe as its colonists to establish a Western style state in Palestine called Israel..."

"But the creation of Israel hasnÂ’t worked out too well either.

"The establishment of the state of Israel is just another chapter in the centuries old war on Islam, and Israel could not have survived without the continuous financial and military support it receives from the West, especially the United States.

"If the Israelis were historians, they would be wary of that support. The West, especially the United States and Britain, have a history of abandoning allies whenever it suits their own interests.

"Ask anyone from the string of governments America supported in South Vietnam. Ask Hosni Mubarak. Resuscitate the shah of Iran and ask him. After having been put on IranÂ’s throne by an American and British coup, when he began to exercise some independence he, too, lost American support.

"Ask Saddam Hussein; he was once an American darling too.

"America and the West will abandon Israel just as soon as doing so furthers their interests. Rosemary Hollis, Middle East analyst at City University in London has said, 'There is a deep-rooted belief . . . that Britain is always up to something, is never passive and always devious.'

"The Israelis should view it that way too."

Israel ? Just Another Hapless British Colony | Global Research

George, George, not only does the word dhimmitude come to mind for you but hopeless also. You might feel good about yourself being the leading Cut and Paster here, but you are a hopeless character. Have you even gotten out today? Your using Jews as a scapegoat can be put aside to get some fresh air. Whatever would you do if you couldn't Cut and Paste, especially sites which fit your mind set? By the way, George, how about you making some comment about what the Muslims are up to? Is your only obessession about the Jews, and you really don't care what the Muslims do. If they murder each other in the thousands, if you couldn't pull up something to blame the Jews, you wouldn't even bother. George must think he is fooling the intelligent viewer, but he really isn't.
Why do you waste your time and mine whining about Muslim atrocities in Africa on a thread in the Israel/Palestine Forum? Are you Hasbara?
 
I was talking about how Jews were expelled from Arab states, and then you pull up some video about the former Iranian president meeting anti - Zionist Jews, who were kissing his ass ( BTW, I've seen that video before) and what the hell did that video have to do with what I posted?
Because I find it odd you would make a blanket statement like that, without posting any specific examples to corroborate your claim. And if you can't list at least 3 specific examples, there's a good chance you don't know what your talking about. Maybe those jews weren't expelled? Maybe they were pressured into leaving by Zionists who wanted to populate Israel with more jewish emigration?

Which brings us to Iran. Where Zionists actually tried to do that and 25,000 Iranian-Jews told them to "**** off!"

Which I also find is a perfect response when a Zionist wishes you "Good morning!"

"Good morning!"​
"**** off!"​
Iranian Jews Dismiss Outside Calls to Emigrate

A campaign to convince Iran’s 25,000 Jews to flee the country has stalled, with most opting to stay in their native homeland.

In recent months, the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, Israeli officials and some American Jewish communal leaders have urged Iranian Jews to leave. But so far, despite generally being allowed to travel to Israel and emigrate abroad, Iranian Jews have stayed put
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And for the last time: PERSIANS ARE NOT ARABS
You know, I really don't care.
 
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""For Europe we would constitute over there (in Palestine) part of a bulwark against Asia as well as the advance post of civilization against barbarism. As a neutral state we would have relations with all of Europe, which would guarantee our existence."
Theodore Herzl, Judenstaat, 1896

"The face of the angel of history is turned toward the past. Where we perceived a chain of events, he sees a single catastrophe which keeps piling wreckage ... A storm is blowing from Paradise; it has got caught in his wings with such violenceÂ…. This storm irresistibly propels him into the future to which his back is turned, while the pile of debris before him grows skyward. The storm is what we call progress.
Walter Benjamin, Theses on the Philosophy of History, 1940"

http://www.zochrot.org/en/content/nakba-map
 
What's the likely fate of a nation state where 80% of its citizens celebrate Independence on the same day that the other 20% mourn their loss of identity and self-determination?



Nailed it.


Debating who has the high moral ground, who has the historical right, all that is largely NONSENSE.

Israel's long term fate is tied to the statement made above.

ARmies can defeat armies but the cannot defeat public opinion except by genocide,

Doubt that?

See IRELAND as an example.
 
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What's the likely fate of a nation state where 80% of its citizens celebrate Independence on the same day that the other 20% mourn their loss of identity and self-determination?



Nailed it.


Debating who has the high moral ground, who has the historical right, all that is largely NONSENSE.

Israel's long term fate is tied to the statement made above.

ARmies can defeat armies but the cannot defeat public opinion except by genocide,

Doubt that?

See IRELAND as an example.
Ireland was where a British king hit on the strategy of using foreign colonialists as a wedge between the indigenous population and the Divine Right of Conquest:

"Sir Ronald Storrs, the first Governor of Jerusalem, certainly had no illusions about what a 'Jewish homeland' in Palestine meant for the British Empire: 'It will form for England,' he said, 'a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism.'”

"StorrsÂ’ analogy was no accident. Ireland was where the English invented the tactic of divide and conquer, and where the devastating effectiveness of using foreign settlers to drive a wedge between the colonial rulers and the colonized made it a template for worldwide imperial rule."

"Ariel Sharon and former Prime Minister Menachem Begin normally take credit for creating the 'facts on the ground' policies that have poured more than 420,000 settlers into the Occupied Territories.

"But they were simply copying Charles I, the English King, who in 1609 forcibly removed the OÂ’Neill and OÂ’Donnell clans from the north of Ireland, moved in 20,000 English and Scottish Protestants, and founded the Plantation of Ulster.

"The 'removal' was never really meant to cleanse Ulster of the Irish. Native labor was essential to the PlantationÂ’s success and within 15 years more than 4,000 native Irish tenants and their families were back in Ulster. But they lived in a land divided into religious castes, with the Protestant invaders on top and the Catholic natives on the bottom."

Divide and Conquer as Imperial Rules - FPIF

1609 was when the violence between Catholic and Protestant was instigated in Ireland, and I'm old enough to remember 1969 when the rival Christian sects were still killing each frequently enough to make the front pages of US newspapers.
 
I was talking about how Jews were expelled from Arab states, and then you pull up some video about the former Iranian president meeting anti - Zionist Jews, who were kissing his ass ( BTW, I've seen that video before) and what the hell did that video have to do with what I posted?
Because I find it odd you would make a blanket statement like that, without posting any specific examples to corroborate your claim. And if you can't list at least 3 specific examples, there's a good chance you don't know what your talking about. Maybe those jews weren't expelled? Maybe they were pressured into leaving by Zionists who wanted to populate Israel with more jewish emigration?

Which brings us to Iran. Where Zionists actually tried to do that and 25,000 Iranian-Jews told them to "**** off!"

Which I also find is a perfect response when a Zionist wishes you "Good morning!"

"Good morning!"​
"**** off!"​
Iranian Jews Dismiss Outside Calls to Emigrate

A campaign to convince IranÂ’s 25,000 Jews to flee the country has stalled, with most opting to stay in their native homeland.

In recent months, the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, Israeli officials and some American Jewish communal leaders have urged Iranian Jews to leave. But so far, despite generally being allowed to travel to Israel and emigrate abroad, Iranian Jews have stayed put
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And for the last time: PERSIANS ARE NOT ARABS
You know, I really don't care.

Not a claim, it's a part of history you choose to ignore:
Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I was talking about how Jews were expelled from Arab states, and then you pull up some video about the former Iranian president meeting anti - Zionist Jews, who were kissing his ass ( BTW, I've seen that video before) and what the hell did that video have to do with what I posted?
Because I find it odd you would make a blanket statement like that, without posting any specific examples to corroborate your claim. And if you can't list at least 3 specific examples, there's a good chance you don't know what your talking about. Maybe those jews weren't expelled? Maybe they were pressured into leaving by Zionists who wanted to populate Israel with more jewish emigration?

Which brings us to Iran. Where Zionists actually tried to do that and 25,000 Iranian-Jews told them to "**** off!"

Which I also find is a perfect response when a Zionist wishes you "Good morning!"

"Good morning!"​
"**** off!"​
Iranian Jews Dismiss Outside Calls to Emigrate

A campaign to convince IranÂ’s 25,000 Jews to flee the country has stalled, with most opting to stay in their native homeland.

In recent months, the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, Israeli officials and some American Jewish communal leaders have urged Iranian Jews to leave. But so far, despite generally being allowed to travel to Israel and emigrate abroad, Iranian Jews have stayed put
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And for the last time: PERSIANS ARE NOT ARABS
You know, I really don't care.

Of course you don't care, since I just proved you wrong. I was discussing Jewish expulsion from Arab states, and you brought up Iran, which is not an Arab state. Thats all
 
The Jews of Israel will Evict and Expel the Palestinians and send them packing across the borders to Jordan and Lebanon before they will surrender control of their newly-recaptured spiritual and ancestral homeland.

All this chatter about 80% celebrating and 20% mourning mean nothing, when that 20% are not citizens and have been trying to kill the 80% for the past 65 years.

For the Jews of Israel, it is going to come down to an Us-or-Them choice, with respect to control of the land, and, of course, the Jews will (1) choose themselves, and (2) push the Arabs over the borders into neighboring countries, and (3) still be on their feet as a people and in control of their present territory and the West Bank and Gaza, centuries from now.
 
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The Jews of Israel will Evict and Expel the Palestinians and send them packing across the borders to Jordan and Lebanon before they will surrender control of their newly-recaptured spiritual and ancestral homeland.

All this chatter about 80% celebrating and 20% mourning mean nothing, when that 20% are not citizens and have been trying to kill the 80% for the past 65 years.

For the Jews of Israel, it is going to come down to an Us-or-Them choice, with respect to control of the land, and, of course, the Jews will (1) choose themselves, and (2) push the Arabs over the borders into neighboring countries, and (3) still be on their feet as a people and in control of their present territory and the West Bank and Gaza, centuries from now.
In fact, the 20% ARE citizens of Israel.

"According to Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics, as of May 2006, of Israel's 7 million people, 77% were Jews, 18.5% Arabs, and 4.3% "others".[65] Among Jews, 68% were Sabras (Israeli-born), mostly second- or third-generation Israelis, and the rest are olim — 22% from Europe and the Americas, and 10% from Asia and Africa, including the Arab countries.[66]

Demographics of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe you can cut some of your chatter and supply evidence for your fantasy regarding how the Jews will push an equal number of Arabs in Palestine into neighboring countries?
 
Haven't you ever wondered why it is over thousands of years and hundreds of different locations a relatively small number of Jews consistently engage in behaviors that result in millions of Jews being maimed, murdered, and displaced, Marg? What's your best guess?
Is it because jew-haters can't get a life and a job?
 
Why did five Arab armies "invade" Palestine in 1948?
To prevent greedy Zionists from stealing any more Arab land or drive the Jews into the sea?
Among the multiple overlapping narratives that define Israel few have rivaled al-Nakba as an inspiration for constructing an official authoritative narrative of a Jewish-Zionist only national identity. A few facts:


"Zochrot presents the first Nakba map in Hebrew.
It includes the localities in the country that were destroyed between the beginning of Zionist colonization and the 1967 war.

The map shows:
678 Palestinian localities that Israel destroyed during the Nakba: 220 of them with less than 100 inhabitants, 428 localities with 100 - 3,000 people, 30 towns and cities with more than 3,000 people;
22 Jewish localities destroyed in 1948 (some of which were re-established that same year);
14 Palestinian localities still existing today, whose inhabitants were expelled temporarily partially during the Nakba;
62 Palestinian localities destroyed during Zionist colonization of the country before 1948;
3 Jewish localities destroyed before 1948 and not re-established;
3 Palestinian localities destroyed in the 1967 war..."

http://www.zochrot.org/en/content/nakba-map

The killing that went on in Lebanon a couple of decades ago had nothing to do with Israel. The bloodshed that went on put anything Israel might have done to shame.

Arab against Arab has been a constant refrain and all they do is blame it all on Israel.

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