The First Black Republican Presidential Nominee Will Be.....

[IM2]

The fact is that Cain did not get the nomination. There are no if's or and's to be had about it.

And then that idiot blames the media for reporting on the ever growing line of woman accusing Cain of sexual harassment.

That line of women first reported by the Rick Perry campaign. You know, the guy with the ranch called the n word.

Now, now, you're being unfair to that white guy. It was the media's fault because they reported on it.

OOPS!

 

[Grumblenuts]

The Republicans were obviously perfectly ready to elect a Perry President. After all, he was the Tea Party front runner earliest on..

 

[Correll]

Obviously, all cultures have problems.

As in "Does the Pope wear a funny hat?"
Moron.

And yet, you could not answer it.

Because you were too busy being evasive and dishonest.


Because that is the mindset you have with this whole thread/issue.

Little hint: "Does the Pope wear a funny hat?" = "Obviously, all cultures have problems."
Dope.

You could not answer it when I asked it, or for the next two or three tries.

D'uh.


That is just your brain continuing to be stuck on "Evasive and dishonest".


It was a minor point I was trying to make. And instead of letting me make it, and replying to it, you had to play stupid and dishonest games to avoid dealing with it.


Not because that little point was so dangerous, but because your entire position in this thread, is based on being evasive and dishonest.


Because your position is an absurd fantasy, where instead of a partisan hack who has strong political disagreements with people and is a troll about them,

you pretend to be a Hero, fighting against the Evul Wacists.


You can't admit that the GOP supported Powell back in 96, because that robs you of your fantasy of being a hero fighting evul wacist supervillains.

 

[Correll]

The white person here is speaking on the black community that faces a factor he doesn't and then tries claiming that we have a problem based on his never facing the main problem we face. He needs to shut his white racist mouth.

i didn't bring it up. I was happy talking about Colin Powell and Herman Cain.


Your lib buddy brought it up to make a point. I responded to his point. That is the way discussions work.


What was I supposed to do? Refuse to give my opinion because of my skin color?

 

[Correll]

This guy I personally liked MORE than Powell.

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So 32% wanted supported the black candidate while 60% supported a white candidate.

What point are you trying to make here?

Don't recall. Perhaps something about how the more conservative republicans were happy to support the black guy.

And "more" still being about half of those who supported a white candidate.

YOur pretense that you don't know what it means to be a front runner, in a big field of candidates, is dismissed.


Cain was the guy with the most support. If the voting had been held on that day, he would have won and been the candidate.


So, the lie that republicans would not nominate a black candidate because of Evul Wacism, is refuted, right there.

Would you like to look at another example now?

Dumbfuck, "big field of candidates" dwindle down quickly once the primaries begin. You possess a grand total of zero evidence Cain would have prevailed. The best you could find was 60% were saying they would vote for a white candidate snc another 8% said they hadn't decided yet.

Your position is based on the false pretense that every other candidate is a single entity, ie "white candidate".


Cain was the one wining at that point in time. He was winning the gop primary, a fact that refutes your belief that the gop is soooo evully wacist.


What took him down, was not the shocking news to the gop voters, that he was suddenly found out to be blacks, but a ginned up media scandal.


Would you like to look at another example now?

I assumed nothing. Which of these other candidates wasn't white...?

There you lied, pretending to misunderstand my point about "white candidate" to mean "white candidates".


You have to be dishonest and evasive to hold on to your fantasy of being a brave warrior fighting against Evul Wacist Supervillains.



Herman Cain had nearly TWICE the level of support of the next strongest candidate, among one of the more conservative factions of the republican party.


That right there, is very strong evidence undermining your position.

 

[Correll]

Different poll. Just NH. That's all you've got? Sorry to burst your bubble but NH does not speak for all Republicans. Not even close. Admit it. You're done. You've got nothing.

Buchanan is what Powell is not: a leader of culturally extremist forces. He is a Beltway talk-show warrior who thrives on conflict, not on solving problems.

Buchanan was deemed too disgusting but Trump is now just dandy. When will Republicans support a Black candidate? No time soon. That's for sure.

On the other hand, when will the Democrats support a truly progressive candidate like a Bernie or a Tulsi? No time soon. That's for sure.

As I demonstrated repeatedly, republicans supported a black candidate in 96

There were other times that republicans supported black candidates. Here is another. This guy I personally liked MORE than Powell.

Herman Cain tops Mitt Romney in latest CBS/NYT poll

Former Godfather's Pizza CEO takes 25 percent to Mitt Romney's 21 percent as Rick Perry plunged to just 6 percent support

www.cbsnews.com

"Cain garnered 25 percent support of Republican primary voters in the poll released on Tuesday, compared to Romney's 21 percent. "

"Cain's support surged among voters who identified with the conservative Tea Party wing of the Republican party, rising to 32 percent in mid-October from 18 percent just a few weeks ago. That's more than four times the level of support he had from the group in mid-September. "

Funny how his support is from the conservative side of the party. It is almost as if the lefty stereotypes of the republicans is just completely wrong.

LOLOLOL

Dumbshit -- 25% of Republicans supported Cain according to that poll.

AND it was 4 months before the election, rendering it meaningless.

Front runner status. IF hte primary votes had been held on that day, he would have been the candidate.

Things unfortunately changed before the actual voting, but the thing that changed was not his race.


This poll disproves the claim that the reason for the lack of republican candidates is racism.

BY ITSELF it does that. COmbined with the rest, and it reveals your position to be absurd.

"Front runner status. IF hte primary votes had been held on that day, he would have been the candidate."

But the primaries were not held on that day, rendering your claims imaginary. And had he run, one by one those other candidates would have started dropping and you possess zero evidence Cain would have garnered a majority to win the Republican nomination.

I can't recall it ever working out that way. That is sort of what moderates in the GOP hoped would happen with Trump, as the field narrowed, that some "NOT TRUMP" candidate would get ALL the votes freed up as candiates dropped out, and end up winning. Did not happen.

It is sort of what we conservatives hoped would happen to stop McCain, back in 2008. DIdn't happen.

And I don't recall any strong anti-Cain movement at the time. Maybe a little from the Establishment who did not like how conservative he was.

You are the one ignoring the numbers and trying to explain away the information we do have, so that you can hold on to you negative assumptions about people you hate.

The members are still 32%. Not enough to win a nomination.

Err, you made that point last post. I addressed it. Your scenario that every other vote would go to some "stop Cain" candidate is you coming up with an unlikely scenario to explain away numbers that disprove your dearly held belief in Evul Wacist Republicans.

I never said every other vote would go to other candidates. I said you have no evidence Cain would have secured the Republican nomination.

His strong lead is evidence that he would have. You are the one with "no evidence" to support your unlikely scenario.

 

[Correll]

The fact is that Cain did not get the nomination. There are no if's or and's to be had about it.

That is not the question being discussed. THe claim has been made that the reason for the lack of republican presidents is republican racism.


The strong support that Cain had at that time, who is black you know, based primarily among the MORE conservative factions of the republican party, is strong evidence that that is false.


It is not credible that you needed that explained. It is a simple point.


YOu are being evasive to avoid the point, because you know it is true, and you can't admit it.

 

[Correll]

The fact is that Cain did not get the nomination. There are no if's or and's to be had about it.

And then that idiot blames the media for reporting on the ever growing line of woman accusing Cain of sexual harassment.

NOt really the topic. The point is that it was not reports of his skin color that undermined his support.


Did you forget what your position was? About Evul Republican Wacism?


Or you just trying to deflect from the fact that I have proved you wrong?

 

[Correll]

The fact is that Cain did not get the nomination. There are no if's or and's to be had about it.

And then that idiot blames the media for reporting on the ever growing line of woman accusing Cain of sexual harassment.

That line of women first reported by the Rick Perry campaign. You know, the guy with the ranch called the n word.

Now, now, you're being unfair to that white guy. It was the media's fault because they reported on it.

Dude. I'm always happy to talk about the media. But you are trying to derail this thread, because you know that you have lost the debate.


Your position of Evul Republican Wacism, has been refuted.

 

[Correll]

The Republicans were obviously perfectly ready to elect a Perry President. After all, he was the Tea Party front runner earliest on..

And then as Herman Cain got his message to the voters, Perry lost supporters, and Cain gained them.


The primaries are a chaotic and messy process. The best man does not always win, obviously. THe best man is often ganged up on, by the pack and destroyed.

BUT, is obvious from the way Cain gained support and led until destroyed, that the republican voters were happy to support him.


Which smashes your fantasy of Evul Wascist supervillains.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Results of the 2012 Republican Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Seven major candidates were in the race to become the nominee. Michele Bachmann was the first to drop out, ending her campaign after a poor performance in Iowa. Jon Huntsman withdrew from the race after placing third in the New Hampshire primary. Rick Perry dropped out after Iowa and New Hampshire but prior to the South Carolina primary after polling poorly. Rick Santorum suspended his campaign in April after polls showed a strong possibility that he would lose his home state of Pennsylvania to Mitt Romney, and his daughter Bella's condition worsened. Newt Gingrich withdrew after insufficient funds prevented him from moving forward with a strong campaign. On May 14, 2012, Ron Paul announced that his campaign would switch to a delegate accumulation strategy.[3] On May 29, according to projected counts, Mitt Romney crossed the threshold of 1,144 delegates. He was formally nominated at the Republican National Convention on August 28.

Not much Cain, innit?

 

[Correll]

Results of the 2012 Republican Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Seven major candidates were in the race to become the nominee. Michele Bachmann was the first to drop out, ending her campaign after a poor performance in Iowa. Jon Huntsman withdrew from the race after placing third in the New Hampshire primary. Rick Perry dropped out after Iowa and New Hampshire but prior to the South Carolina primary after polling poorly. Rick Santorum suspended his campaign in April after polls showed a strong possibility that he would lose his home state of Pennsylvania to Mitt Romney, and his daughter Bella's condition worsened. Newt Gingrich withdrew after insufficient funds prevented him from moving forward with a strong campaign. On May 14, 2012, Ron Paul announced that his campaign would switch to a delegate accumulation strategy.[3] On May 29, according to projected counts, Mitt Romney crossed the threshold of 1,144 delegates. He was formally nominated at the Republican National Convention on August 28.

Not much Cain, innit?

Seems odd. He was the front runner for a while. Perhaps the person that wrote that, is some lefty like you, that can't accept that he was a major contender.

After all, Evul Wacist supervillains.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Perhaps looking at a single poll of only Tea Party members held way back in October of the prior year doesn't add up to a hill of beans.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Seems odd. He was the front runner for a while.

Oh? When was that?

 

[Grumblenuts]

Perry in turn lost the momentum following poor performances in the September debates, and the third major opponent to Romney's lead, Herman Cain, surged after the sixth debate on September 22. In November, Cain's viability as a candidate was seriously jeopardized after several allegations of sexual harassment surfaced in the media. Although Cain denied the allegations, the fallout from the controversy forced him to suspend his campaign on December 3, 2011.

And that was it for Cain.

 

[Faun]

This guy I personally liked MORE than Powell.

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So 32% wanted supported the black candidate while 60% supported a white candidate.

What point are you trying to make here?

Don't recall. Perhaps something about how the more conservative republicans were happy to support the black guy.

And "more" still being about half of those who supported a white candidate.

YOur pretense that you don't know what it means to be a front runner, in a big field of candidates, is dismissed.


Cain was the guy with the most support. If the voting had been held on that day, he would have won and been the candidate.


So, the lie that republicans would not nominate a black candidate because of Evul Wacism, is refuted, right there.

Would you like to look at another example now?

Dumbfuck, "big field of candidates" dwindle down quickly once the primaries begin. You possess a grand total of zero evidence Cain would have prevailed. The best you could find was 60% were saying they would vote for a white candidate snc another 8% said they hadn't decided yet.

Your position is based on the false pretense that every other candidate is a single entity, ie "white candidate".


Cain was the one wining at that point in time. He was winning the gop primary, a fact that refutes your belief that the gop is soooo evully wacist.


What took him down, was not the shocking news to the gop voters, that he was suddenly found out to be blacks, but a ginned up media scandal.


Would you like to look at another example now?

I assumed nothing. Which of these other candidates wasn't white...?

There you lied, pretending to misunderstand my point about "white candidate" to mean "white candidates".


You have to be dishonest and evasive to hold on to your fantasy of being a brave warrior fighting against Evul Wacist Supervillains.



Herman Cain had nearly TWICE the level of support of the next strongest candidate, among one of the more conservative factions of the republican party.


That right there, is very strong evidence undermining your position.

There's no lie and you still possess as much evidence as before, which is none, that Cain would have sustained that lead.

And again, according to you, even though we're far out from the general election, Impeached Trump has no chance against Biden because most of the latest polls favor Biden. Just like Impeached Trump didn't stand a chance against Hillary 4 years ago .

 

[IM2]

If Cain would have sustained that lead he would have done so. He didn't. He did not get nominated. He has had the chance to run in 2016 and did not. Correll has no argument to give on this. Cain ran for president in the republican party and did not get nominated. There is no if, ands or buts. He did not get the nomination. What if doesn't apply here, because he ran and he lost.

 

[Grumblenuts]

that lead

that lead

Most he can be credited with is momentarily becoming "one of the front runners in the Republican primaries."

 

[Correll]

Perhaps looking at a single poll of only Tea Party members held way back in October of the prior year doesn't add up to a hill of beans.

Which of course, is not what I am doing. It is just that you guys have to stone wall on every little factoid, to maintain your fantasy of Evul Wacists Supervillains.

IN a sane world, you would have said something like, "ok, that is interesting, I did not know that, but by itself it is not enough",

and then we would have moved on to another example.


But, at the end of that, you would have to admit that your fantasy of being a hero fighting Evul Wacist Supervillains,


was just a little game you liked to play, to make yourself feel good about yourself.


So, you stonewall.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Alternatively, it could just be you doing the fantasizing.