The essence of the facts

[ding]

John 20:29

The bible isn't proof of god.

The answer to your question was the verse John 20:29. You actually have to read it to understand it.

I ask for empirical evidence and you point to the bible. You see? You have nothing.

Actually you didn't ask for empirical evidence, Taz. You made a statement that "In front of empirical evidence, belief is moot."

I countered that statement by referencing John 20:29 that disputes your point.

Then quote the proper passage.

I did. You either didn't read it or didn't understand it.

 

[irosie91]

The answer to your question was the verse John 20:29. You actually have to read it to understand it.

I ask for empirical evidence and you point to the bible. You see? You have nothing.

Actually you didn't ask for empirical evidence, Taz. You made a statement that "In front of empirical evidence, belief is moot."

I countered that statement by referencing John 20:29 that disputes your point.

Then quote the proper passage.

he did----he quoted "john" who said------"all you need is belief" It is the
the FAMOUS TINKER BELL proof. ..... when all the children of the world
clap their hands and say "i do believe in fairies"-----tinker bell LIVES

Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Do either of you understand what this means and how it applies to Taz's statement?

of course----some guy using the pen name JOHN wrote-----long after Jesus died---
something that he (ie "john" ) did not hear but has some sort of information that
jesus said. ----------"blessed are those who never met ME-----but BELIEVE IN ME--all the
same"

 

[ding]

I ask for empirical evidence and you point to the bible. You see? You have nothing.

Actually you didn't ask for empirical evidence, Taz. You made a statement that "In front of empirical evidence, belief is moot."

I countered that statement by referencing John 20:29 that disputes your point.

Then quote the proper passage.

he did----he quoted "john" who said------"all you need is belief" It is the
the FAMOUS TINKER BELL proof. ..... when all the children of the world
clap their hands and say "i do believe in fairies"-----tinker bell LIVES

Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Do either of you understand what this means and how it applies to Taz's statement?

of course----some guy using the pen name JOHN wrote-----long after Jesus died---
something that he (ie "john" ) did not hear but has some sort of information that
jesus said. ----------"blessed are those who never met ME-----but BELIEVE IN ME--all the
same"

You want to make it about the veracity of the word, while I am only interested in proving a point about the fallacy of Taz's statement. You are so obsessed with subordinating Christianity that subordinating Christianity has become your religion.

You don't believe in God. You only believe in subordinating Christianity.

 

[irosie91]

Actually you didn't ask for empirical evidence, Taz. You made a statement that "In front of empirical evidence, belief is moot."

I countered that statement by referencing John 20:29 that disputes your point.

Then quote the proper passage.

he did----he quoted "john" who said------"all you need is belief" It is the
the FAMOUS TINKER BELL proof. ..... when all the children of the world
clap their hands and say "i do believe in fairies"-----tinker bell LIVES

Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Do either of you understand what this means and how it applies to Taz's statement?

of course----some guy using the pen name JOHN wrote-----long after Jesus died---
something that he (ie "john" ) did not hear but has some sort of information that
jesus said. ----------"blessed are those who never met ME-----but BELIEVE IN ME--all the
same"

You want to make it about the veracity of the word, while I am only interested in proving a point about the fallacy of Taz's statement. You are so obsessed with subordinating Christianity that subordinating Christianity has become your religion.

You don't believe in God. You only believe in subordinating Christianity.

you are delusional

 

[ding]

Then quote the proper passage.

he did----he quoted "john" who said------"all you need is belief" It is the
the FAMOUS TINKER BELL proof. ..... when all the children of the world
clap their hands and say "i do believe in fairies"-----tinker bell LIVES

Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Do either of you understand what this means and how it applies to Taz's statement?

of course----some guy using the pen name JOHN wrote-----long after Jesus died---
something that he (ie "john" ) did not hear but has some sort of information that
jesus said. ----------"blessed are those who never met ME-----but BELIEVE IN ME--all the
same"

You want to make it about the veracity of the word, while I am only interested in proving a point about the fallacy of Taz's statement. You are so obsessed with subordinating Christianity that subordinating Christianity has become your religion.

You don't believe in God. You only believe in subordinating Christianity.

you are delusional

Says the poster who posts under multiple ID's whose mission is to subordinate religion, especially the dominant religion of the land, Christianity. And I know why you do it too.

 

[irosie91]

he did----he quoted "john" who said------"all you need is belief" It is the
the FAMOUS TINKER BELL proof. ..... when all the children of the world
clap their hands and say "i do believe in fairies"-----tinker bell LIVES

Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Do either of you understand what this means and how it applies to Taz's statement?

of course----some guy using the pen name JOHN wrote-----long after Jesus died---
something that he (ie "john" ) did not hear but has some sort of information that
jesus said. ----------"blessed are those who never met ME-----but BELIEVE IN ME--all the
same"

You want to make it about the veracity of the word, while I am only interested in proving a point about the fallacy of Taz's statement. You are so obsessed with subordinating Christianity that subordinating Christianity has become your religion.

You don't believe in God. You only believe in subordinating Christianity.

you are delusional

Says the poster who posts under multiple ID's whose mission is to subordinate religion, especially the dominant religion of the land, Christianity. And I know why you do it too.

who is the poster who posts under multiple ID's? and to what purpose? can you list
the multiple ID's?

 

[ding]

Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Do either of you understand what this means and how it applies to Taz's statement?

of course----some guy using the pen name JOHN wrote-----long after Jesus died---
something that he (ie "john" ) did not hear but has some sort of information that
jesus said. ----------"blessed are those who never met ME-----but BELIEVE IN ME--all the
same"

You want to make it about the veracity of the word, while I am only interested in proving a point about the fallacy of Taz's statement. You are so obsessed with subordinating Christianity that subordinating Christianity has become your religion.

You don't believe in God. You only believe in subordinating Christianity.

you are delusional

Says the poster who posts under multiple ID's whose mission is to subordinate religion, especially the dominant religion of the land, Christianity. And I know why you do it too.

who is the poster who posts under multiple ID's? and to what purpose? can you list
the multiple ID's?

Sorry, I confused you with Taz.

You are just the atheist whose religion is subordination of Christianity.

 

[irosie91]

does anyone know what "subordinate religion" means?

of course----some guy using the pen name JOHN wrote-----long after Jesus died---
something that he (ie "john" ) did not hear but has some sort of information that
jesus said. ----------"blessed are those who never met ME-----but BELIEVE IN ME--all the
same"

You want to make it about the veracity of the word, while I am only interested in proving a point about the fallacy of Taz's statement. You are so obsessed with subordinating Christianity that subordinating Christianity has become your religion.

You don't believe in God. You only believe in subordinating Christianity.

you are delusional

Says the poster who posts under multiple ID's whose mission is to subordinate religion, especially the dominant religion of the land, Christianity. And I know why you do it too.

who is the poster who posts under multiple ID's? and to what purpose? can you list
the multiple ID's?

Sorry, I confused you with Taz.

You are just the atheist whose religion is subordination of Christianity.

wrong again. I am just the jew who experienced no religious indoctrination at all
as a child-----other than very simple and basic Christian ideas in the neighborhood,
public school and occasional "sunday" school--------who as a pre-adolescent read
the NT and OT-------interacted with lots and lots of DIFFERENT "believers"
as a young woman-----from religious jews, to divinity students, to hindus and muslims---
and to atheists and whatever. and read widely on various subjects in no DIRECTED
manner. Thus I have a wide range of familiarity with various modes of "belief" and
am equipped to discuss lots and lots of them without resorting to apologetics. I see
you as a person who truly believes that the NT is DIVINE -------ie, your mind is
closed really tight. Lots of people are closed minded. I have encountered people
who believe that Harrison's Textbook of Medicine is DIVINE -----others who believe
that this or that Jazz musician was (is) DIVINE. LOTS of muslims are absolutely
convinced that the MOST AND ONLY DIVINE WRITING IN THE WORLD is
The Koran. -------the beatles? baseball? Wiki ???

 

[ding]

does anyone know what "subordinate religion" means?

You want to make it about the veracity of the word, while I am only interested in proving a point about the fallacy of Taz's statement. You are so obsessed with subordinating Christianity that subordinating Christianity has become your religion.

You don't believe in God. You only believe in subordinating Christianity.

you are delusional

Says the poster who posts under multiple ID's whose mission is to subordinate religion, especially the dominant religion of the land, Christianity. And I know why you do it too.

who is the poster who posts under multiple ID's? and to what purpose? can you list
the multiple ID's?

Sorry, I confused you with Taz.

You are just the atheist whose religion is subordination of Christianity.

wrong again. I am just the jew who experienced no religious indoctrination at all
as a child-----other than very simple and basic Christian ideas in the neighborhood,
public school and occasional "sunday" school--------who as a pre-adolescent read
the NT and OT-------interacted with lots and lots of DIFFERENT "believers"
as a young woman-----from religious jews, to divinity students, to hindus and muslims---
and to atheists and whatever. and read widely on various subjects in no DIRECTED
manner. Thus I have a wide range of familiarity with various modes of "belief" and
am equipped to discuss lots and lots of them without resorting to apologetics. I see
you as a person who truly believes that the NT is DIVINE -------ie, your mind is
closed really tight. Lots of people are closed minded. I have encountered people
who believe that Harrison's Textbook of Medicine is DIVINE -----others who believe
that this or that Jazz musician was (is) DIVINE. LOTS of muslims are absolutely
convinced that the MOST AND ONLY DIVINE WRITING IN THE WORLD is
The Koran. -------the beatles? baseball? Wiki ???

How does that mean mu opinion about you is wrong exactly? You can have done all that and still be a militant atheist.

I believe the OT and the NT to be divinely inspired. That doesn't mean I believe they wrote down exactly what God intended, lol. We all get divine inspiration if we are listening for it.

 

[ding]

does anyone know what "subordinate religion" means?

3. The Abolition of Religion

It is especially easy for us to observe socialism's hostility to religion, for this is inherent, with few exceptions, in all contemporary socialist states and doctrines. Only rarely is the abolition of religion legislated, as it was in Albania. But the actions of other socialist states leave no doubt that they are all governed by this very principle and that only external difficulties have prevented its complete implementation. This same principle has been repeatedly proclaimed in socialist doctrines, beginning with the end of the seventeenth century. Sixteenth- and seventeenth-century doctrines are imbued with cold skeptical and ironic attitudes toward religion. If not consciously, then "objectively," they prepared humanity for the convergence of socialist ideology and militant atheism that took place at the end of the seventeenth century and during the course of the eighteenth. The heretical movements of the Middle Ages were religious in character, but those in which socialist tendencies were especially pronounced were the ones that were irrevocably opposed to the actual religion professed by the majority at the time. Calls to assassinate the Pope and to annihilate all monks and priests run like a red thread through the history of these movements. Their hatred for the basic symbols of Christianity--the cross and the church--is very striking. We encounter the burning of crosses and the profanation of churches from the first centuries of Christianity right up to the present day.

Finally, in Plato's socialist system, religion is conceived as an element in the state's ideology. Its role amounts to education, the shaping of citizens' opinions into the forms necessary to the state. To this end, new religious observances and myths were invented and the old ones abolished. It seems that in many of the states of the ancient Orient, official religion played an analogous role, its central function being the deification of the king, who was the personification of the all-powerful state.


The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

 

[irosie91]

does anyone know what "subordinate religion" means?

you are delusional

Says the poster who posts under multiple ID's whose mission is to subordinate religion, especially the dominant religion of the land, Christianity. And I know why you do it too.

who is the poster who posts under multiple ID's? and to what purpose? can you list
the multiple ID's?

Sorry, I confused you with Taz.

You are just the atheist whose religion is subordination of Christianity.

wrong again. I am just the jew who experienced no religious indoctrination at all
as a child-----other than very simple and basic Christian ideas in the neighborhood,
public school and occasional "sunday" school--------who as a pre-adolescent read
the NT and OT-------interacted with lots and lots of DIFFERENT "believers"
as a young woman-----from religious jews, to divinity students, to hindus and muslims---
and to atheists and whatever. and read widely on various subjects in no DIRECTED
manner. Thus I have a wide range of familiarity with various modes of "belief" and
am equipped to discuss lots and lots of them without resorting to apologetics. I see
you as a person who truly believes that the NT is DIVINE -------ie, your mind is
closed really tight. Lots of people are closed minded. I have encountered people
who believe that Harrison's Textbook of Medicine is DIVINE -----others who believe
that this or that Jazz musician was (is) DIVINE. LOTS of muslims are absolutely
convinced that the MOST AND ONLY DIVINE WRITING IN THE WORLD is
The Koran. -------the beatles? baseball? Wiki ???

How does that mean mu opinion about you is wrong exactly? You can have done all that and still be a militant atheist.

I believe the OT and the NT to be divinely inspired. That doesn't mean I believe they wrote down exactly what God intended, lol. We all get divine inspiration if we are listening for it.

I described what I AM------as to your "opinion" as to what "I AM"------it is worthless.
I like the idea of divine inspiration with "mistakes on transcription" ------CLEVER!!!!!
Using your definition of divinely inspired scriptural writings-----I AGREE---that the
Odyssey is a DIVINELY INSPIRED SCRIPTURAL WRITING

 

[toty5]

Yes. Allah has sent down miracles, revelations and messengers to give clear proofs He exists and more important, what we should do once we come to this realization.

Allah has sent prophets and messengers with many proofs throughout the ages for people to be able to clearly see with their own eyes and to be able to use their own senses the miracles and proofs pointing to the fact, Allah does in fact, exist.

Miracles of prophets and messengers of Allah have come to people through the ages. Moses (peace be upon him) showed many miracles to pharaoh and to the children of Israel. Plagues, locusts, water turning to blood, his stick becoming a snake, the voice in the burning bush and the parting of the Red Sea are clear miracles for the people of Moses time.

Again, Allah sent Jesus, the son of Mary (peace be upon him) with clear miracles for the people of his time. Speaking from the cradle while still a new born infant, creating birds from clay, curing the sick, giving sight to the blind and even bringing a dead man back to life, were all clear signs to the people to know Jesus (peace be upon him) was a messenger of Allah as was Moses before him.

Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the last and final messenger of Allah, and he was sent to all of mankind. Allah sent him with a number of miracles, not the least of which was the Quran. The predictions and prophecies of Muhammad (peace be upon him) have come true even in this century and the Quran has been used to convince even scientists of the existence of Allah.
[]

The Quran is the best of proofs for the existence of Allah and today over one and half billion people memorize and recite from the exact text, in the exact same language it was revealed in; Arabic. More than 10 million Muslims have completely memorized the entire Quran from cover to cover, and can recite it from memory without looking at it.

No one sees or hears Allah, not even the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Nor are we able to use our senses to make some kind of contact with Him. However, we are encouraged in Islam to use our senses and our common sense to recognize this entire universe could not possibly come into existence on its own. Something had to design it all and then put it into motion. This is beyond our ability to do, yet it is something we can understand.

We know from the teachings of Muhammad (peace be upon him) the proofs for the existence of God (Allah) are most obvious to us in our everyday surroundings. Anyone with understanding would quickly acknowledge His existence provided they are not so stubborn as to ignore the obvious evidences right in front of us.

We don't have to see an artist to recognize a painting, correct? So, if we see paintings without seeing artists painting them, in the same way, we can believe Allah created everything without having to see Him (or touch, or hear, etc.).

Because God exists without a doubt



There is a car maker

There is a chair maker

one of the people said the car

Found without maker

People will say

This crazy guy

So

God created human

It can not create himself

 

[toty5]

qibla change in islam



There are more than 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, and each time they pray, they turn their faces in one direction, towards Mecca. The Islamic term for this direction is qibla. When a Muslim prepares to pray, no matter where he is, he turns towards the qibla, the direction of the Kaba. The Kaba is a small cube shaped building in the courtyard of the mosque known as Masjid Al Haram, in the city of Mecca, in the country of Saudi Arabia.


“For every nation there is a direction to which they face (in their prayers). So hasten towards all that is good. Wheresoever you may be, God will bring you together (on the Day of Resurrection). Truly, God is Able to do all things. And from wheresoever you start forth (for prayers), turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Mecca), that is indeed the truth from your Lord. And God is not unaware of what you do.” (Quran 2:148-149)


Muslims do not worship the Kaba, or its contents, it is simply a focal point. Muslims worship One God, the Most Merciful, and the Most Wise. God decreed that when Muslims pray they all face one direction. It is a sign of unity that encapsulates the unity embedded in the religion of Islam.


The Arabic word for prayer is salah and it demotes a connection between the believer and God; when all believers face the same direction it adds an extra dimension to the connection. The prayer connects the believers to God and the qibla connects the believers to one another. It has been said that if one could observe all the Muslims at prayer we would be able to see lines of worshippers bowing and prostrating like the petals of a flower opening and closing in unison.


The qibla was not always oriented towards Mecca. The first Muslims prayed towards the al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem. Around sixteen months after Prophet Muhammad and his followers migrated from Mecca to the city of Medina, the qibla was changed to the Kaba. According to accounts by Prophet Muhammad's companions, the change happened very suddenly. During the noon prayer, Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, received a revelation from God instructing him to, "Turn your face towards the Masjid al Haram".


“Thus, we have made you real believers in Islamic Monotheism, true followers of Prophet Muhammad and his legal ways, a just nation, witnesses over mankind and the Messenger a witness over you. And We made the Qibla (prayer direction towards Jerusalem) which you used to face, only to test those who followed the Messenger from those who would turn on their heels (i.e. disobey the Messenger). Indeed, it was great (heavy) except for those whom God guided. And God would never make your prayers to be lost (i.e. your prayers offered towards Jerusalem). Truly, God is full of kindness, the Most Merciful towards humankind.”


“Verily! We have seen the turning of your (Muhammad) face towards the heaven. Surely, We shall turn you to a Qibla (prayer direction) that shall please you, so turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid- al-Haram (at Mecca). And wheresoever you people are, turn your faces (in prayer) in that direction...” (Quran 2:143-144)


Changing the direction of prayer establishes Mecca as the fixed central point for worship. It establishes a common sense or purpose.


Throughout the centuries, mathematicians and astronomers have established correct ways to determine the qibla (direction) from any point on the earth’s surface. There are two precise moments each year when the sun is directly above the Kaba, thus the direction of shadows in any sunlit place will point away from the qibla. There are also two moments per year when the sun is directly over the exact opposite position of the Kaba, thus pointing towards the qibla.


It is important the Muslims make every effort to face the right direction when praying; however, slight deviations do not invalidate a person’s prayer. Prophet Muhammad said, “What is between the east and the west is qibla”.[1] Nowadays it is easy to locate the qibla. It is a simple matter to look at a map and draw a line between your location and the city of Mecca. Compasses and computer programs that locate the qibla are readily available and most mosques throughout the world have a niche in the wall to indicate the qibla.


Islam is a religion of unity. Muslims are united by their belief in One God. They are one brotherhood united in the language and ritual of prayer and united by the direction of their worship. The qibla is not only about degrees of latitude or longitude it is about unity. It is about humankind united in the worship of the One God, Creator, and Sustainer of the universe.


Change Of Qibla From Jerusalem To Kaaba By Nouman Ali

 

[toty5]

How I Came to Islam - LECTURE - Abdur-Raheem Green - ...





ماذا تفعل إذا كنت تحب الإسلام وتنتظر علامة؟ بلال فيلبس ...

 

[ding]

does anyone know what "subordinate religion" means?

Says the poster who posts under multiple ID's whose mission is to subordinate religion, especially the dominant religion of the land, Christianity. And I know why you do it too.

who is the poster who posts under multiple ID's? and to what purpose? can you list
the multiple ID's?

Sorry, I confused you with Taz.

You are just the atheist whose religion is subordination of Christianity.

wrong again. I am just the jew who experienced no religious indoctrination at all
as a child-----other than very simple and basic Christian ideas in the neighborhood,
public school and occasional "sunday" school--------who as a pre-adolescent read
the NT and OT-------interacted with lots and lots of DIFFERENT "believers"
as a young woman-----from religious jews, to divinity students, to hindus and muslims---
and to atheists and whatever. and read widely on various subjects in no DIRECTED
manner. Thus I have a wide range of familiarity with various modes of "belief" and
am equipped to discuss lots and lots of them without resorting to apologetics. I see
you as a person who truly believes that the NT is DIVINE -------ie, your mind is
closed really tight. Lots of people are closed minded. I have encountered people
who believe that Harrison's Textbook of Medicine is DIVINE -----others who believe
that this or that Jazz musician was (is) DIVINE. LOTS of muslims are absolutely
convinced that the MOST AND ONLY DIVINE WRITING IN THE WORLD is
The Koran. -------the beatles? baseball? Wiki ???

How does that mean mu opinion about you is wrong exactly? You can have done all that and still be a militant atheist.

I believe the OT and the NT to be divinely inspired. That doesn't mean I believe they wrote down exactly what God intended, lol. We all get divine inspiration if we are listening for it.

I described what I AM------as to your "opinion" as to what "I AM"------it is worthless.
I like the idea of divine inspiration with "mistakes on transcription" ------CLEVER!!!!!
Using your definition of divinely inspired scriptural writings-----I AGREE---that the
Odyssey is a DIVINELY INSPIRED SCRIPTURAL WRITING

And given what you write I believe that you are an atheist who is afraid to be honest about your atheism.

 

[Taz]

does anyone know what "subordinate religion" means?

who is the poster who posts under multiple ID's? and to what purpose? can you list
the multiple ID's?

Sorry, I confused you with Taz.

You are just the atheist whose religion is subordination of Christianity.

wrong again. I am just the jew who experienced no religious indoctrination at all
as a child-----other than very simple and basic Christian ideas in the neighborhood,
public school and occasional "sunday" school--------who as a pre-adolescent read
the NT and OT-------interacted with lots and lots of DIFFERENT "believers"
as a young woman-----from religious jews, to divinity students, to hindus and muslims---
and to atheists and whatever. and read widely on various subjects in no DIRECTED
manner. Thus I have a wide range of familiarity with various modes of "belief" and
am equipped to discuss lots and lots of them without resorting to apologetics. I see
you as a person who truly believes that the NT is DIVINE -------ie, your mind is
closed really tight. Lots of people are closed minded. I have encountered people
who believe that Harrison's Textbook of Medicine is DIVINE -----others who believe
that this or that Jazz musician was (is) DIVINE. LOTS of muslims are absolutely
convinced that the MOST AND ONLY DIVINE WRITING IN THE WORLD is
The Koran. -------the beatles? baseball? Wiki ???

How does that mean mu opinion about you is wrong exactly? You can have done all that and still be a militant atheist.

I believe the OT and the NT to be divinely inspired. That doesn't mean I believe they wrote down exactly what God intended, lol. We all get divine inspiration if we are listening for it.

I described what I AM------as to your "opinion" as to what "I AM"------it is worthless.
I like the idea of divine inspiration with "mistakes on transcription" ------CLEVER!!!!!
Using your definition of divinely inspired scriptural writings-----I AGREE---that the
Odyssey is a DIVINELY INSPIRED SCRIPTURAL WRITING

And given what you write I believe that you are an atheist who is afraid to be honest about your atheism.

You see atheists EVERYWHERE! Get some help!

 

[Taz]

How I Came to Islam - LECTURE - Abdur-Raheem Green - ...





ماذا تفعل إذا كنت تحب الإسلام وتنتظر علامة؟ بلال فيلبس ...

When you're at the mosque and you all bend over to kiss a carpet, do some of the guys let out a fart? Because with all the fat guys in one room crouching and bending, something's gotta give! Know what I'm saying?

 

[irosie91]

does anyone know what "subordinate religion" means?

who is the poster who posts under multiple ID's? and to what purpose? can you list
the multiple ID's?

Sorry, I confused you with Taz.

You are just the atheist whose religion is subordination of Christianity.

wrong again. I am just the jew who experienced no religious indoctrination at all
as a child-----other than very simple and basic Christian ideas in the neighborhood,
public school and occasional "sunday" school--------who as a pre-adolescent read
the NT and OT-------interacted with lots and lots of DIFFERENT "believers"
as a young woman-----from religious jews, to divinity students, to hindus and muslims---
and to atheists and whatever. and read widely on various subjects in no DIRECTED
manner. Thus I have a wide range of familiarity with various modes of "belief" and
am equipped to discuss lots and lots of them without resorting to apologetics. I see
you as a person who truly believes that the NT is DIVINE -------ie, your mind is
closed really tight. Lots of people are closed minded. I have encountered people
who believe that Harrison's Textbook of Medicine is DIVINE -----others who believe
that this or that Jazz musician was (is) DIVINE. LOTS of muslims are absolutely
convinced that the MOST AND ONLY DIVINE WRITING IN THE WORLD is
The Koran. -------the beatles? baseball? Wiki ???

How does that mean mu opinion about you is wrong exactly? You can have done all that and still be a militant atheist.

I believe the OT and the NT to be divinely inspired. That doesn't mean I believe they wrote down exactly what God intended, lol. We all get divine inspiration if we are listening for it.

I described what I AM------as to your "opinion" as to what "I AM"------it is worthless.
I like the idea of divine inspiration with "mistakes on transcription" ------CLEVER!!!!!
Using your definition of divinely inspired scriptural writings-----I AGREE---that the
Odyssey is a DIVINELY INSPIRED SCRIPTURAL WRITING

And given what you write I believe that you are an atheist who is afraid to be honest about your atheism.

"afraid"?

 

[ding]

does anyone know what "subordinate religion" means?

Sorry, I confused you with Taz.

You are just the atheist whose religion is subordination of Christianity.

wrong again. I am just the jew who experienced no religious indoctrination at all
as a child-----other than very simple and basic Christian ideas in the neighborhood,
public school and occasional "sunday" school--------who as a pre-adolescent read
the NT and OT-------interacted with lots and lots of DIFFERENT "believers"
as a young woman-----from religious jews, to divinity students, to hindus and muslims---
and to atheists and whatever. and read widely on various subjects in no DIRECTED
manner. Thus I have a wide range of familiarity with various modes of "belief" and
am equipped to discuss lots and lots of them without resorting to apologetics. I see
you as a person who truly believes that the NT is DIVINE -------ie, your mind is
closed really tight. Lots of people are closed minded. I have encountered people
who believe that Harrison's Textbook of Medicine is DIVINE -----others who believe
that this or that Jazz musician was (is) DIVINE. LOTS of muslims are absolutely
convinced that the MOST AND ONLY DIVINE WRITING IN THE WORLD is
The Koran. -------the beatles? baseball? Wiki ???

How does that mean mu opinion about you is wrong exactly? You can have done all that and still be a militant atheist.

I believe the OT and the NT to be divinely inspired. That doesn't mean I believe they wrote down exactly what God intended, lol. We all get divine inspiration if we are listening for it.

I described what I AM------as to your "opinion" as to what "I AM"------it is worthless.
I like the idea of divine inspiration with "mistakes on transcription" ------CLEVER!!!!!
Using your definition of divinely inspired scriptural writings-----I AGREE---that the
Odyssey is a DIVINELY INSPIRED SCRIPTURAL WRITING

And given what you write I believe that you are an atheist who is afraid to be honest about your atheism.

You see atheists EVERYWHERE! Get some help!

 

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does anyone know what "subordinate religion" means?

Sorry, I confused you with Taz.

You are just the atheist whose religion is subordination of Christianity.

wrong again. I am just the jew who experienced no religious indoctrination at all
as a child-----other than very simple and basic Christian ideas in the neighborhood,
public school and occasional "sunday" school--------who as a pre-adolescent read
the NT and OT-------interacted with lots and lots of DIFFERENT "believers"
as a young woman-----from religious jews, to divinity students, to hindus and muslims---
and to atheists and whatever. and read widely on various subjects in no DIRECTED
manner. Thus I have a wide range of familiarity with various modes of "belief" and
am equipped to discuss lots and lots of them without resorting to apologetics. I see
you as a person who truly believes that the NT is DIVINE -------ie, your mind is
closed really tight. Lots of people are closed minded. I have encountered people
who believe that Harrison's Textbook of Medicine is DIVINE -----others who believe
that this or that Jazz musician was (is) DIVINE. LOTS of muslims are absolutely
convinced that the MOST AND ONLY DIVINE WRITING IN THE WORLD is
The Koran. -------the beatles? baseball? Wiki ???

How does that mean mu opinion about you is wrong exactly? You can have done all that and still be a militant atheist.

I believe the OT and the NT to be divinely inspired. That doesn't mean I believe they wrote down exactly what God intended, lol. We all get divine inspiration if we are listening for it.

I described what I AM------as to your "opinion" as to what "I AM"------it is worthless.
I like the idea of divine inspiration with "mistakes on transcription" ------CLEVER!!!!!
Using your definition of divinely inspired scriptural writings-----I AGREE---that the
Odyssey is a DIVINELY INSPIRED SCRIPTURAL WRITING

And given what you write I believe that you are an atheist who is afraid to be honest about your atheism.

"afraid"?

Yes.