The End of South Africa

[bripat9643]

Life was better under apartheid.

The End of South Africa National Review Online

Things are very bad in South Africa. When the scourge of apartheid was finally smashed to pieces in 1994, the country seemed to have a bright future ahead of it. Eight years later, in 2002, 60 percent of South Africans said life had been better under apartheid. Hard to believe — but that’s how bad things were in 2002. And now they’re even worse.

When apartheid ended, the life expectancy in South Africa was 64 — the same as in Turkey and Russia. Now it’s 56, the same as in Somalia. There are 132.4 rapes per 100,000 people per year, which is by far the highest in the world: Botswana is in second with 93, Sweden in third with 64; no other country exceeds 32.

Before the end of apartheid, South African writer Ilana Mercer moved, with her family, to Israel; her father was a vocal opponent of apartheid, and was being harassed by South African security forces. A 2013 piece on World Net Daily quotes Mercer as saying, with all her anti-apartheid chops, that “more people are murdered in one week under African rule than died under detention of the Afrikaner government over the course of roughly four decades.” The South African government estimates that there are 31 murders per 100,000 people per year. Or about 50 a day. That would make South Africa the tenth most murderous country in the world, outpacing Rwanda, Mexico, and both Sudans. And that’s using South Africa’s official estimates — outside groups put the murder rate 100 percent higher. Choosing not to trust the South African authorities is a safe bet — South Africa’s government, which has been led by Nelson Mandela’s African National Congress since the end of apartheid, is outstandingly incompetent and corrupt.

Of course, de facto one-party rule doesn’t promote integrity. Unemployment is 25 percent, but President Jacob Zuma, of the ANC, recently spent $24 million of public money to add a pool and amphitheater to his private home. Not long after the story broke, he was elected to a second five-year term. Think-tank theorist Leon Louw, who helped defeat apartheid, calls the crime and corruption “a simple manifestation of the breakdown of the state. The government is just appallingly bad at everything it does: education, healthcare, infrastructure, security, everything that is a government function is in shambles.” ​

 

[ScienceRocks]

Cases like Haiti, Zimbabwe and now south Africa is why I feel the way I do about the protected race. They have no right to accuse whites for being wrong when they do shit like they're doing.

 

[Preacher]

Genocide Watch has also stated that whites in SA are being genocided.

 

[Preacher]

There are bright spots though, in SA.BBC News - Inside South Africa s whites-only town of Orania

 

[The Rabbi]

Another case where teh Left went apeshit with calls to boycott South Africa during apartheid etc etc etc. Black were better off and the system would have been dismantled on its own in orderly fashion.
Do Leftists ever get anything right?

 

[Vigilante]

Ah, when you let the natives rule, this is what you get....

 

[bripat9643]

Genocide Watch has also stated that whites in SA are being genocided.

If you read the article it discusses that issue. It says South Africa is at stage 6 on the 8 stage genocide watch. Read what the president of South Africa said about the Boers.

 

[bripat9643]

Genocide Watch has also stated that whites in SA are being genocided.

The End of South Africa National Review Online​

It appears that South Africa is about the most dangerous place you can be outside a war zone. What’s more worrying is the chance that it might become a war zone. Nelson Mandela was able to hold the “rainbow nation” together, but he’s passed on. Now, according to the human-rights organization Genocide Watch, South Africa is at pre-genocide stage 6 of 8: “Preparation.”

With the country skidding toward anarchy, naturally, the people want to know whom they should blame. In 2010, a prominent member of the African National Congress named Julius Malema revived an old anti-apartheid song whose lyrics — says Genocide Watch — call for genocide: “Shoot the Boer, shoot, shoot.” “Boer” means “farmer” in Afrikaans; colloquially, it means “white South African.” Malema was ejected from the ANC and convicted of hate speech; he has since formed a new opposition party, the Economic Freedom Fighters, which is currently the third largest party in parliament. Seven months after Malema’s conviction, President Zuma sang the genocide song himself, leading a crowd in a musical chant: “We are going to shoot them with machine guns, they are going to run . . . The cabinet will shoot them, with the machine gun . . . Shoot the Boer, we are going to hit them, they are going to run.” Watch the video on YouTube — it is surreal. Nelson Mandela’s successor, the president of South Africa, addresses a crowd of — according to the Guardian — tens of thousands, in a giant stadium, and calls for the murder of what amounts to about 10 percent of his constituents. Among the audience, uniformed members of the military dance.​

 

[Preacher]

Nelson Mandela Was A Communist Terrorist Backed By Zionists

 

[Tom Sweetnam]

And the left's darling, Nelson Mandela, admitted on the London Library Tapes that he personally murdered six BLACK political opponents, while being involved in countless acts of politically-motivated terrorism. Nearly all of his victims were black however, so in the lily white Marxist hierarchy of victim propaganda currency, they don't count. Mandela sat in a prison cell for 20 years because he was convicted of TERRORISM, that involved considerable loss of life. All you pansy leftists try and remember that, OK?

 

[ScienceRocks]

Genocide Watch has also stated that whites in SA are being genocided.

This is what happens to whites when blacks take over our countries. Kind of sad!

 

[CataclysmZA]

As a white South African currently living in the country, I decided to sign up on the forum here and offer a perspective of someone who actually lives here.

A 2013 piece on World Net Daily quotes Mercer as saying, with all her anti-apartheid chops, that “more people are murdered in one week under African rule than died under detention of the Afrikaner government over the course of roughly four decades.” The South African government estimates that there are 31 murders per 100,000 people per year. Or about 50 a day. That would make South Africa the tenth most murderous country in the world, outpacing Rwanda, Mexico, and both Sudans.

My father is an officer of the South African Police Service and served for about four years under the Apartheid regime before being moved to other units to fulfill crucial roles in overseeing the change of the balance of power. The SAPS weren't exactly efficient with their record-keeping and statistics of things like murder, rapes and theft in the townships and tribal homelands went unrecorded, although they did attend to them. The details of Kwa-Zulu Natal's (KZN) crime rate pre-1990, for example, have been lost in years gone by and there's no records for good comparison.

However, from what we do have on hand, there is more violent crime being reported and recorded properly in the country in the ten years preceding 1994 and the ten years following after. Before 1994 most people did not see the police as their first port of call for help - now they will go there for literally anything. With the SAPS tasked to death and the SANDF left to languish under the weight of overspending, overeating, and corruption, the spread of crime moved from more controlled areas into previously white-only suburbs. Theft, home invasions and vehicle theft feature much more prominently than murder, though. I won't try to defend how the SAPS and government has dealt with this so far and its unfortunately gotten out of hand, although we do see a higher number of convictions for murders than most other crimes.

Rape doesn't see as much success, mainly because of mishandling of evidence and poor training on the part of the SAPS and the Trauma teams inside the police stations (the station in my area does a stellar job despite being understaffed). The police are careful to react to rapes especially in the townships, as there is always the chance that a name gets leaked and the mob lynches someone potentially innocent.

Think-tank theorist Leon Louw, who helped defeat apartheid, calls the crime and corruption “a simple manifestation of the breakdown of the state. The government is just appallingly bad at everything it does: education, healthcare, infrastructure, security, everything that is a government function is in shambles.”

Its worth pointing out that the manifesto of the ANC, drawn up before the 1994 elections, makes the case that the party needed to deploy "cadres" into "particular positions of authority" in order to secure any kind of political weight that position could afford. This worked out pretty well for ANC members and their friends or family members, because it was in the ANC's best interests to take over what they could and avoid the IFP, for instance, laying claim to most of the infrastructure inside KZN.

However, when the factionalism started that began to show a loss of support in Thabo Mbeki's leadership, things fell apart. Mbeki spent more time putting out political fires than he did running the country, resulting in government ignoring Eskom's warnings about the state of the power grid and ending in him apologising for not listening to them. Zuma's faction and those who are close to him support him because he has way more dirt on them than he does - as the former head of intelligence for Umkonto We Sizwe, he knows things that no-one wants him to ever reveal, and he uses that to his advantage. All they care about is power and controlling the country for their benefit.

How Mandela or Govan Mbeki did not see this coming is beyond me. Perhaps they didn't think it could backfire as hard as it did.

Genocide Watch has also stated that whites in SA are being genocided.

Genocide Watch is hogwash, please don't pay attention to it. The available statistics for farm attacks and murders spell quite a different story than the one they put out to the internet. Most farm attacks in the country take place because they are soft targets that are remotely located from any outside help and are usually motivated by the desire to steal something of value. Very few of the attacks are racially motivated and coming from the background of a police officer's son, I have no doubt that the government isn't hiding anything.

Even when Julius Malema was getting into hot water about the "Kill the Boer" struggle song there wasn't any indications of spikes in attacks or their ferocity. It sure was douchey and dangerous on the part of the ANC Youth League, but it didn't end up inciting the kind of violence that it could have. (In fact, if there's anything we could pin on Malema, perhaps a spike in thefts would do the trick because he loves appearing in front of the poor wearing jeans that would cost an entire year's wages)

We also have lots of black farmers who get similarly targeted and not many newspapers will report on them because they don't sell as much as the idea that white farmers are being targeted. That usually brings in the Afrikaner groups who have their say, Solidarity which has a quote for just about everything, and the papers thrive on the kinds of nonsense people spew about, while the communities these farmers support mourn the loss of job opportunities and the money they inject into the local towns.

As for my personal opinion on Zuma - he is a fool, but a sly one. Nothing he does is unintentional, nothing he says is misplaced. Barring the moments when he puts his foot in his mouth and reveals his real opinion, he knows what he's doing. South Africa is headed into a dark place and the SONA 2015 was the turning point for the world to see how far the ANC is prepared to go to keep things quiet. Now we wait for the 2016 elections to see how much support they are willing to lose to keep the status quo. It will get worse before it gets better.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Wow look at all the freedom haters

 

[TheOldSchool]

As a white South African currently living in the country, I decided to sign up on the forum here and offer a perspective of someone who actually lives here.

A 2013 piece on World Net Daily quotes Mercer as saying, with all her anti-apartheid chops, that “more people are murdered in one week under African rule than died under detention of the Afrikaner government over the course of roughly four decades.” The South African government estimates that there are 31 murders per 100,000 people per year. Or about 50 a day. That would make South Africa the tenth most murderous country in the world, outpacing Rwanda, Mexico, and both Sudans.

My father is an officer of the South African Police Service and served for about four years under the Apartheid regime before being moved to other units to fulfill crucial roles in overseeing the change of the balance of power. The SAPS weren't exactly efficient with their record-keeping and statistics of things like murder, rapes and theft in the townships and tribal homelands went unrecorded, although they did attend to them. The details of Kwa-Zulu Natal's (KZN) crime rate pre-1990, for example, have been lost in years gone by and there's no records for good comparison.

However, from what we do have on hand, there is more violent crime being reported and recorded properly in the country in the ten years preceding 1994 and the ten years following after. Before 1994 most people did not see the police as their first port of call for help - now they will go there for literally anything. With the SAPS tasked to death and the SANDF left to languish under the weight of overspending, overeating, and corruption, the spread of crime moved from more controlled areas into previously white-only suburbs. Theft, home invasions and vehicle theft feature much more prominently than murder, though. I won't try to defend how the SAPS and government has dealt with this so far and its unfortunately gotten out of hand, although we do see a higher number of convictions for murders than most other crimes.

Rape doesn't see as much success, mainly because of mishandling of evidence and poor training on the part of the SAPS and the Trauma teams inside the police stations (the station in my area does a stellar job despite being understaffed). The police are careful to react to rapes especially in the townships, as there is always the chance that a name gets leaked and the mob lynches someone potentially innocent.

Think-tank theorist Leon Louw, who helped defeat apartheid, calls the crime and corruption “a simple manifestation of the breakdown of the state. The government is just appallingly bad at everything it does: education, healthcare, infrastructure, security, everything that is a government function is in shambles.”

Its worth pointing out that the manifesto of the ANC, drawn up before the 1994 elections, makes the case that the party needed to deploy "cadres" into "particular positions of authority" in order to secure any kind of political weight that position could afford. This worked out pretty well for ANC members and their friends or family members, because it was in the ANC's best interests to take over what they could and avoid the IFP, for instance, laying claim to most of the infrastructure inside KZN.

However, when the factionalism started that began to show a loss of support in Thabo Mbeki's leadership, things fell apart. Mbeki spent more time putting out political fires than he did running the country, resulting in government ignoring Eskom's warnings about the state of the power grid and ending in him apologising for not listening to them. Zuma's faction and those who are close to him support him because he has way more dirt on them than he does - as the former head of intelligence for Umkonto We Sizwe, he knows things that no-one wants him to ever reveal, and he uses that to his advantage. All they care about is power and controlling the country for their benefit.

How Mandela or Govan Mbeki did not see this coming is beyond me. Perhaps they didn't think it could backfire as hard as it did.

Genocide Watch has also stated that whites in SA are being genocided.

Genocide Watch is hogwash, please don't pay attention to it. The available statistics for farm attacks and murders spell quite a different story than the one they put out to the internet. Most farm attacks in the country take place because they are soft targets that are remotely located from any outside help and are usualy motivated by the desire to steal something of value. Very few of the attacks are racially motivated and coming from the background of a police officer's son, I have no doubt that the government isn't hiding anything.

Even when Julius Malema was getting into hot water about the "Kill the Boer" struggle song there wasn't any indications of spikes in attacks or their ferocity. It sure was douchey and dangerous on the part of the ANC Youth League, but it didn't end up inciting the kind of violence that it could have.

We also have lots of black farmers who get similarly targeted and not many newspapers will report on them because they don't sell as much as the idea that white farmers are being targeted. That usually brings in the Afrikaner groups who have their say, Solidarity which has a quote for just about everything, and the papers thrive on the kinds of nonsense people spew about, while the communities these farmers support mourn the loss of job opportunities and the money they inject into the local towns.

As for my personal opinion on Zuma - he is a fool, but a sly one. Nothing he does is unintentional, nothing he says is misplaced. Barring the moments when he puts his foot in his mouth and reveals his real opinion, he knows what he's doing. South Africa is headed into a dark place and the SONA 2015 was the turning point for the world to see how far the ANC is prepared to go to keep things quiet. Now we wait for the 2016 elections to see how much support they are willing to lose to keep the status quo. It will get worse before it gets better.

Excellent post! Welcome to the forum. I'd just like you to know that the other posters in this thread are not interested in any truth. They are some of our resident racists who just want to rail against black people

 

[CataclysmZA]

Excellent post! Welcome to the forum. I'd just like you to know that the other posters in this thread are not interested in any truth. They are some of our resident racists who just want to rail against black people

Thanks for the welcome. We have plenty of the same racists down here, many who spend their time in the News24 comment threads arguing on the internet. Slowly but surely common sense is prevailing, though I wish this process didn't take so long to happen.

 

[HenryBHough]

America has an allegedly black president so it's only a matter of time before the question of what to do with worn-out tyres is completely resolved.

They don't worry about those things in South Africa - they just recycle creatively.

 

[TheOldSchool]

America has an allegedly black president so it's only a matter of time before the question of what to do with worn-out tyres is completely resolved.

They don't worry about those things in South Africa - they just recycle creatively.

Here's another one.

 

[CataclysmZA]

America has an allegedly black president so it's only a matter of time before the question of what to do with worn-out tyres is completely resolved.

Honestly, given the way things are right now, we'd be GLAD to have your kind of problems. Hell, Tom Wheeler does a better job on his own than the entire organisation that is ICASA has done in ten years.

 

[Political Junky]

Life was better under apartheid.

The End of South Africa National Review Online

Things are very bad in South Africa. When the scourge of apartheid was finally smashed to pieces in 1994, the country seemed to have a bright future ahead of it. Eight years later, in 2002, 60 percent of South Africans said life had been better under apartheid. Hard to believe — but that’s how bad things were in 2002. And now they’re even worse.

When apartheid ended, the life expectancy in South Africa was 64 — the same as in Turkey and Russia. Now it’s 56, the same as in Somalia. There are 132.4 rapes per 100,000 people per year, which is by far the highest in the world: Botswana is in second with 93, Sweden in third with 64; no other country exceeds 32.

Before the end of apartheid, South African writer Ilana Mercer moved, with her family, to Israel; her father was a vocal opponent of apartheid, and was being harassed by South African security forces. A 2013 piece on World Net Daily quotes Mercer as saying, with all her anti-apartheid chops, that “more people are murdered in one week under African rule than died under detention of the Afrikaner government over the course of roughly four decades.” The South African government estimates that there are 31 murders per 100,000 people per year. Or about 50 a day. That would make South Africa the tenth most murderous country in the world, outpacing Rwanda, Mexico, and both Sudans. And that’s using South Africa’s official estimates — outside groups put the murder rate 100 percent higher. Choosing not to trust the South African authorities is a safe bet — South Africa’s government, which has been led by Nelson Mandela’s African National Congress since the end of apartheid, is outstandingly incompetent and corrupt.

Of course, de facto one-party rule doesn’t promote integrity. Unemployment is 25 percent, but President Jacob Zuma, of the ANC, recently spent $24 million of public money to add a pool and amphitheater to his private home. Not long after the story broke, he was elected to a second five-year term. Think-tank theorist Leon Louw, who helped defeat apartheid, calls the crime and corruption “a simple manifestation of the breakdown of the state. The government is just appallingly bad at everything it does: education, healthcare, infrastructure, security, everything that is a government function is in shambles.” ​

How far Right can we expect the Right to go? It's already looking really bad.

 

[Roadrunner]

Genocide Watch has also stated that whites in SA are being genocided.

This is what happens to whites when blacks take over our countries. Kind of sad!

No, it is what happens to whites when blacks take back the countries that whites took from them.

Any sensible whites should have cashed out and moved on by now.