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TRUMP is simply better based simpy on his words as i do not like any of hilarys proven actions or words in mrobamas administration Bulldog .
Apparently you are incapable of reading and comprehending.America would be a great nation if only we could imprison the entire political class.Bull shit.We Americans have had to endure presidents who don't want America to be great. The current one seems intent on weakening America economically, militarily, and culturally.
Trump is a terrible choice for POTUS...but Hillary is far worse. You can see the former, but can't see the later. Why?
Your claim that America has had presidents that didn't want America to be great is just ridiculous. We have had presidents that made very poor choices, but your claim takes everything out of the realm of reality into a twisted conspiracy theory ruled world of fear and unchecked paranoia. A rational person must see there has to be a limit to claims made for political purposes. Your claim is far beyond that limit.
I suspect what you consider great and what I do, are two very different things.
I do not consider a nation great with open borders, 100 million working age people NOT working, huge welfare class, shrinking middle class, outrageous income inequality, a huge central government with unlimited power, politicians who are nothing but crooks, a government bureaucracy gone mad, military interventions throughout the world causing raising tensions, dark forces in government running wild...but that is just me I guess.
Do Obamabots like you think America is doing great?
Even though you greatly exaggerate the effects our problems have on us, there are and always will be the need to improve. Just because there is still need for improvement doesn't mean America isn't still the great nation it has always been. Perhaps you should try someplace else if you are so disappointed. Your hysterics are beyond that limit that rational people recognize and adhere to.
You have your rose colored glasses on...I do not. The reality is the nation is declining and most of the political class likes and promotes the decline.
A thriving middle class does not vote for socialism and politicians and government bureaucrats know this, and they love socialism. So, naturally they are doing all they can to eliminate the middle class.
Great idea. Lets imprison all the political opponents just like every crack pot dictator in every third world country, and then we could all be proud of America as truly the land of the free as long as you agree with the ones in charge.
Apparently you are incapable of reading and comprehending.America would be a great nation if only we could imprison the entire political class.Bull shit.Your claim that America has had presidents that didn't want America to be great is just ridiculous. We have had presidents that made very poor choices, but your claim takes everything out of the realm of reality into a twisted conspiracy theory ruled world of fear and unchecked paranoia. A rational person must see there has to be a limit to claims made for political purposes. Your claim is far beyond that limit.
I suspect what you consider great and what I do, are two very different things.
I do not consider a nation great with open borders, 100 million working age people NOT working, huge welfare class, shrinking middle class, outrageous income inequality, a huge central government with unlimited power, politicians who are nothing but crooks, a government bureaucracy gone mad, military interventions throughout the world causing raising tensions, dark forces in government running wild...but that is just me I guess.
Do Obamabots like you think America is doing great?
Even though you greatly exaggerate the effects our problems have on us, there are and always will be the need to improve. Just because there is still need for improvement doesn't mean America isn't still the great nation it has always been. Perhaps you should try someplace else if you are so disappointed. Your hysterics are beyond that limit that rational people recognize and adhere to.
You have your rose colored glasses on...I do not. The reality is the nation is declining and most of the political class likes and promotes the decline.
A thriving middle class does not vote for socialism and politicians and government bureaucrats know this, and they love socialism. So, naturally they are doing all they can to eliminate the middle class.
Great idea. Lets imprison all the political opponents just like every crack pot dictator in every third world country, and then we could all be proud of America as truly the land of the free as long as you agree with the ones in charge.
I stated imprison the ENTIRE political class...you see unlike a leftist who would imprison his/her political opponents, I prefer to imprison all of them.
We must be fair...No?
Silly you...you think our politicians are not deserving of imprisonment. How can that be?Apparently you are incapable of reading and comprehending.America would be a great nation if only we could imprison the entire political class.Bull shit.
I suspect what you consider great and what I do, are two very different things.
I do not consider a nation great with open borders, 100 million working age people NOT working, huge welfare class, shrinking middle class, outrageous income inequality, a huge central government with unlimited power, politicians who are nothing but crooks, a government bureaucracy gone mad, military interventions throughout the world causing raising tensions, dark forces in government running wild...but that is just me I guess.
Do Obamabots like you think America is doing great?
Even though you greatly exaggerate the effects our problems have on us, there are and always will be the need to improve. Just because there is still need for improvement doesn't mean America isn't still the great nation it has always been. Perhaps you should try someplace else if you are so disappointed. Your hysterics are beyond that limit that rational people recognize and adhere to.
You have your rose colored glasses on...I do not. The reality is the nation is declining and most of the political class likes and promotes the decline.
A thriving middle class does not vote for socialism and politicians and government bureaucrats know this, and they love socialism. So, naturally they are doing all they can to eliminate the middle class.
Great idea. Lets imprison all the political opponents just like every crack pot dictator in every third world country, and then we could all be proud of America as truly the land of the free as long as you agree with the ones in charge.
I stated imprison the ENTIRE political class...you see unlike a leftist who would imprison his/her political opponents, I prefer to imprison all of them.
We must be fair...No?
Oh, so you would be better than a third world dictator because you would imprison more people. Got it.
Silly you...you think our politicians are not deserving of imprisonment. How can that be?Apparently you are incapable of reading and comprehending.America would be a great nation if only we could imprison the entire political class.Even though you greatly exaggerate the effects our problems have on us, there are and always will be the need to improve. Just because there is still need for improvement doesn't mean America isn't still the great nation it has always been. Perhaps you should try someplace else if you are so disappointed. Your hysterics are beyond that limit that rational people recognize and adhere to.
You have your rose colored glasses on...I do not. The reality is the nation is declining and most of the political class likes and promotes the decline.
A thriving middle class does not vote for socialism and politicians and government bureaucrats know this, and they love socialism. So, naturally they are doing all they can to eliminate the middle class.
Great idea. Lets imprison all the political opponents just like every crack pot dictator in every third world country, and then we could all be proud of America as truly the land of the free as long as you agree with the ones in charge.
I stated imprison the ENTIRE political class...you see unlike a leftist who would imprison his/her political opponents, I prefer to imprison all of them.
We must be fair...No?
Oh, so you would be better than a third world dictator because you would imprison more people. Got it.
Criminals deserve imprisonment. No?
Yeah only third world politicians deserve imprisonment. Our wonderful, truthful, and lawful politicians don't.Silly you...you think our politicians are not deserving of imprisonment. How can that be?Apparently you are incapable of reading and comprehending.America would be a great nation if only we could imprison the entire political class.
You have your rose colored glasses on...I do not. The reality is the nation is declining and most of the political class likes and promotes the decline.
A thriving middle class does not vote for socialism and politicians and government bureaucrats know this, and they love socialism. So, naturally they are doing all they can to eliminate the middle class.
Great idea. Lets imprison all the political opponents just like every crack pot dictator in every third world country, and then we could all be proud of America as truly the land of the free as long as you agree with the ones in charge.
I stated imprison the ENTIRE political class...you see unlike a leftist who would imprison his/her political opponents, I prefer to imprison all of them.
We must be fair...No?
Oh, so you would be better than a third world dictator because you would imprison more people. Got it.
Criminals deserve imprisonment. No?
Well, certainly in your bizarre little imaginary third world.
Harvard professor and author of "Manliness"...mutually exclusive terms.I am watching the screaming crowd at a Trump rally, I am asking why. A purple heart veteran gives a medal to a draft dodger who promises greatness. Google 'the emasculated American male' and you will get 634,000 hits. What is it about a man that I perceive as a insecure narcissist that gives hope to so many?
Harvard professor and Manliness author Harvey C. Mansfield, 'We are attracted to the manly man because he imparts some of his confidence to everyone else.' Maybe so, but I do not see Donald Trump as a manly man, if anything he seems the son of the pampered upper class. Those born to wealth, who cannot imagine poverty's world. He will not even release his tax forms.
A few of the links in my Google search came from conservative sites and were dated after Barack Obama's election. Did the accomplishment of a Black man fuel this sense of powerlessness? Democrats have lost the white vote since Civil Rights legislation. Is this fear and need born of a deep seated racism.
Witness the hatred of Hillary. Today it is email and Benghazi, but do they forget the witch images from her husband's presidency. Is fear and need born too of misogyny. A woman demonized by republicans for so long. Add in immigration, Mexicans, Muslims, where do you place them.
Certain themes dominate, they get it all, freeloaders, the system is rigged, we are a Christian nation, it's the liberal media, words come to form meaning, thinking is absent, thought is absent. When Trump loses in November it will be because it is a rigged system, and the false narrative will continue. Some will believe. Republicans have engaged in these whistle words for sixty years, someone finally took them up. Their appeal has backfired. Republicans were complicit in a creation they now question.
Hitler references are used too often so now one cannot make comparisons. I will make America great again. I will do this. The crowd cheers, and we will be safe again, and strong again. I will have your back, we will keep them out, we will throw them out, they have to go, the crowd chants, signs waves, slogans work on this audience. Nationalism is a double edged sword.
And why does the American, a person who lives in one of the greatest nations feel they need a savior, a powerful man to lead them to some promised land? Trump praises Putin, is a Russia dictator what they want, a strong leader to makes their wrongs right?
The question becomes when did Americans become so weak they needed someone to lead them? What happened to the free individual, the cowboy image, the creators, the proud American, the laborer, and the made in America. What happened to the nation that won all the important battles? What changed?
What is it about a man that I perceive as a insecure narcissist that gives hope to so many?
I am watching the screaming crowd at a Trump rally, I am asking why. A purple heart veteran gives a medal to a draft dodger who promises greatness. Google 'the emasculated American male' and you will get 634,000 hits. What is it about a man that I perceive as a insecure narcissist that gives hope to so many?
Harvard professor and Manliness author Harvey C. Mansfield, 'We are attracted to the manly man because he imparts some of his confidence to everyone else.' Maybe so, but I do not see Donald Trump as a manly man, if anything he seems the son of the pampered upper class. Those born to wealth, who cannot imagine poverty's world. He will not even release his tax forms.
A few of the links in my Google search came from conservative sites and were dated after Barack Obama's election. Did the accomplishment of a Black man fuel this sense of powerlessness? Democrats have lost the white vote since Civil Rights legislation. Is this fear and need born of a deep seated racism.
Witness the hatred of Hillary. Today it is email and Benghazi, but do they forget the witch images from her husband's presidency. Is fear and need born too of misogyny. A woman demonized by republicans for so long. Add in immigration, Mexicans, Muslims, where do you place them.
Certain themes dominate, they get it all, freeloaders, the system is rigged, we are a Christian nation, it's the liberal media, words come to form meaning, thinking is absent, thought is absent. When Trump loses in November it will be because it is a rigged system, and the false narrative will continue. Some will believe. Republicans have engaged in these whistle words for sixty years, someone finally took them up. Their appeal has backfired. Republicans were complicit in a creation they now question.
Hitler references are used too often so now one cannot make comparisons. I will make America great again. I will do this. The crowd cheers, and we will be safe again, and strong again. I will have your back, we will keep them out, we will throw them out, they have to go, the crowd chants, signs waves, slogans work on this audience. Nationalism is a double edged sword.
And why does the American, a person who lives in one of the greatest nations feel they need a savior, a powerful man to lead them to some promised land? Trump praises Putin, is a Russia dictator what they want, a strong leader to makes their wrongs right?
The question becomes when did Americans become so weak they needed someone to lead them? What happened to the free individual, the cowboy image, the creators, the proud American, the laborer, and the made in America. What happened to the nation that won all the important battles? What changed?
--------------------------- yep , pretty funny Bush !!Again let me point out the obvious. "Harvard Professor" wants to educate people on"manliness." Nuff said.
This dynamic of “demagogues” and the “masses,” then, is not a novel dysfunction of today’s democracy, but an inevitable consequence that follows the political freedom and empowerment of large numbers of diverse peoples and factions.
Again let me point out the obvious. "Harvard Professor" wants to educate people on"manliness." Nuff said.
-------------------------------- yep , MidCan is a longwinded progressive !!I did not find a good counterpoint among the replies. I'm older than most here and remember people who supported America by supporting made here, unions, local business, and each other. It seems sometimes only periods like the great depression have the power to bring people together. Building America then, mattered. See Judt comment below.
Jillian, Hello, keep up the good words....
Mudwhistle, ah come on, you let us down with this conspiracy nonsense. Donald Trump is wrong. Rigging an election is almost impossible.
Crusader, thought that short and to the point. Just so you know, I have never worn pajamas in my life, fact. lol
Bulldog, thanks for running interference. Welcome aboard.
320 Years of History, Your OP needed quotes and sourcing: The Demagogues Of 2016
Bush92, is hung up on Harvard professors being manly, to each his own.
Jasonfree, the few WWII vets I know are with Hillary, most Nam etc vets like myself are for H.
Yiostheoy, class is a taboo topic here. Trump supporters run a wide range of people, angry and bitter too. See this piece. Unfiltered Voices From Donald Trump's Crowds
PS one counterpoint from another reader, is that facts don't matter and often, such as with Iraq, or voter registration, or any number of things, when a person is presented with the truth instead of agreeing the person will cling more strongly to their belief.
"Something is profoundly wrong with the way we live today. For thirty years we have made a virtue out of the pursuit of material self-interest: indeed, this very pursuit now constitutes whatever remains of our sense of collective purpose. We know what things cost but have no idea what they are worth. We no longer ask of a judicial ruling or a legislative act: is it good? Is it fair? Is it just? Is it right? Will it help bring about a better society or a better world? Those used to be the political questions, even if they invited no easy answers. We must learn once again to pose them." Tony Judt 'Ill Fares the Land'
Again let me point out the obvious. "Harvard Professor" wants to educate people on"manliness." Nuff said.