The Elements and Traditions of the Passover Seder Point to Christ

[Picaro]

You are calling the kettle black... It is Christianity that perverts and twists the belief system of Judiasm by trying to twist and turn and place their idol Jesus where he/ it does not belong..Making my point again. Since Jews are not supposed to eat or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. Then nothing FLIES over their heads because they are not allowed to have anything to do with it... Christianity however has its eyes turned upWORD because of a false delusion....

It is not my intent to call the kettle black. Nor is it the intent of the majority of Christians to pervert/twist Judaism. In many respects Jesus' Last Supper seems to be as much about the Bread of the Presence as it is about Passover. During this time, Jews are partaking in life, not death, in freedom not slavery. Christians, too, are partaking in life, not death, in freedom from sin as we resolve to be obedient to the will of God.

The last supper is more then likely a ripoff and borrowed from pagan lore from Babylon where twelve Godmen are eating at a table and a 13 th shows up... In order for the balance of 12 to be reinstated one of these godmen had to die .In the story of the gospels that of course was Jesus... . The number 13 was considered bad and un natural and in some cultures it was removed.That is why there are twelve months and 12 signs of the zodiac for example....You can still see this practise when going into some buildings where the 13 th floor is not counted and elevators go from 12 to 14 th floors not numbering the 13 th As 14.People should look these things up to enlighten themselves....If Christianity is trying to be obedient to god as you say then why are they breaking the commandment to eat of or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. You use the word Freedom freely without realizing that it is a double edged sword.. Everyone through their own choice is FREE to be DUMB and to Believe what they want to believe... It is only those that choose to learn and enlighten themselves and not SWALLOW down lies and follies that are FREE to understand who is in SIN and who is Still in DENILE... Hmmm...

Yeah, umm, ok.

That's a whole lot of rhetoric with zero references. Got anything more?

Is that the best you can do Marion.. We live in the computer age you have all the information at your fingertips... Have at it unless you are the type of guy that likes your bread store bought and packaged and are too lazy to get a bread machine and make it fresh for yourself...One could say the same for all the claims in the New Testament for your idol Jesus why it is almost as professional as the national enguirer.. It is about as believable as well.....

Your racist sects stagnated and died with the Maccabees. A new reform Rabbi came along and changed your racist cult into a universal sect, and now it is largely Gentile Jews doing the work of the 'chosen' now; just sit back and stay out of the way, and worship your genealogies and practice your empty rituals, and carry on, you've made your little sect of Judaism irrelevant, just a assortment of mentally ill bigots devoted to lives of empty gestures and delusions of grandeur, much as the Nazi Party was to a small demographic of Germans. Christians are doing just fine, and a far larger demographic of Judaism, so it's clear who is the closet to the theology.

 

[Picaro]

You are calling the kettle black... It is Christianity that perverts and twists the belief system of Judiasm by trying to twist and turn and place their idol Jesus where he/ it does not belong..Making my point again. Since Jews are not supposed to eat or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. Then nothing FLIES over their heads because they are not allowed to have anything to do with it... Christianity however has its eyes turned upWORD because of a false delusion....

It is not my intent to call the kettle black. Nor is it the intent of the majority of Christians to pervert/twist Judaism. In many respects Jesus' Last Supper seems to be as much about the Bread of the Presence as it is about Passover. During this time, Jews are partaking in life, not death, in freedom not slavery. Christians, too, are partaking in life, not death, in freedom from sin as we resolve to be obedient to the will of God.

The last supper is more then likely a ripoff and borrowed from pagan lore from Babylon where twelve Godmen are eating at a table and a 13 th shows up... In order for the balance of 12 to be reinstated one of these godmen had to die .In the story of the gospels that of course was Jesus... . The number 13 was considered bad and un natural and in some cultures it was removed.That is why there are twelve months and 12 signs of the zodiac for example....You can still see this practise when going into some buildings where the 13 th floor is not counted and elevators go from 12 to 14 th floors not numbering the 13 th As 14.People should look these things up to enlighten themselves....If Christianity is trying to be obedient to god as you say then why are they breaking the commandment to eat of or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. You use the word Freedom freely without realizing that it is a double edged sword.. Everyone through their own choice is FREE to be DUMB and to Believe what they want to believe... It is only those that choose to learn and enlighten themselves and not SWALLOW down lies and follies that are FREE to understand who is in SIN and who is Still in DENILE... Hmmm...

Yeah, umm, ok.

That's a whole lot of rhetoric with zero references. Got anything more?

Just a lot of propaganda left over from centuries of racist delusions. These types of idiots are still arguing for centuries over whether or not the genealogies of Jewish families descended from Babylonian Jews are 'legitimate' and can be considered 'racially pure enough' to be 'real Jews'.

 

[shimon]

You are calling the kettle black... It is Christianity that perverts and twists the belief system of Judiasm by trying to twist and turn and place their idol Jesus where he/ it does not belong..Making my point again. Since Jews are not supposed to eat or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. Then nothing FLIES over their heads because they are not allowed to have anything to do with it... Christianity however has its eyes turned upWORD because of a false delusion....

It is not my intent to call the kettle black. Nor is it the intent of the majority of Christians to pervert/twist Judaism. In many respects Jesus' Last Supper seems to be as much about the Bread of the Presence as it is about Passover. During this time, Jews are partaking in life, not death, in freedom not slavery. Christians, too, are partaking in life, not death, in freedom from sin as we resolve to be obedient to the will of God.

The last supper is more then likely a ripoff and borrowed from pagan lore from Babylon where twelve Godmen are eating at a table and a 13 th shows up... In order for the balance of 12 to be reinstated one of these godmen had to die .In the story of the gospels that of course was Jesus... . The number 13 was considered bad and un natural and in some cultures it was removed.That is why there are twelve months and 12 signs of the zodiac for example....You can still see this practise when going into some buildings where the 13 th floor is not counted and elevators go from 12 to 14 th floors not numbering the 13 th As 14.People should look these things up to enlighten themselves....If Christianity is trying to be obedient to god as you say then why are they breaking the commandment to eat of or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. You use the word Freedom freely without realizing that it is a double edged sword.. Everyone through their own choice is FREE to be DUMB and to Believe what they want to believe... It is only those that choose to learn and enlighten themselves and not SWALLOW down lies and follies that are FREE to understand who is in SIN and who is Still in DENILE... Hmmm...

Yeah, umm, ok.

That's a whole lot of rhetoric with zero references. Got anything more?

Is that the best you can do Marion.. We live in the computer age you have all the information at your fingertips... Have at it unless you are the type of guy that likes your bread store bought and packaged and are too lazy to get a bread machine and make it fresh for yourself...One could say the same for all the claims in the New Testament for your idol Jesus why it is almost as professional as the national enguirer.. It is about as believable as well.....

Your racist sects stagnated and died with the Maccabees. A new reform Rabbi came along and changed your racist cult into a universal sect, and now it is largely Gentile Jews doing the work of the 'chosen' now; just sit back and stay out of the way, and worship your genealogies and practice your empty rituals, and carry on, you've made your little sect of Judaism irrelevant.

On the contrary we are recovering from our ordeal at the hands of the “ gentile” not genteel ... In case you haven’t looked around the gentile nations of Europe and the West are dying and are being over run and removed you have not got much time left... If gd lives forever that is how it is done... What is a hundred years in his eyes...Israel is thriving... Its population is growing and so is its influence... Sure it is much hated but all those things will be rectified... You need to read Isaiah 45 they have escaped your hatred and are slowly but surely recovering... Would be really interesting to see what those gentile nations look like in a hundred years or so though...

 

[Picaro]

It is not my intent to call the kettle black. Nor is it the intent of the majority of Christians to pervert/twist Judaism. In many respects Jesus' Last Supper seems to be as much about the Bread of the Presence as it is about Passover. During this time, Jews are partaking in life, not death, in freedom not slavery. Christians, too, are partaking in life, not death, in freedom from sin as we resolve to be obedient to the will of God.

The last supper is more then likely a ripoff and borrowed from pagan lore from Babylon where twelve Godmen are eating at a table and a 13 th shows up... In order for the balance of 12 to be reinstated one of these godmen had to die .In the story of the gospels that of course was Jesus... . The number 13 was considered bad and un natural and in some cultures it was removed.That is why there are twelve months and 12 signs of the zodiac for example....You can still see this practise when going into some buildings where the 13 th floor is not counted and elevators go from 12 to 14 th floors not numbering the 13 th As 14.People should look these things up to enlighten themselves....If Christianity is trying to be obedient to god as you say then why are they breaking the commandment to eat of or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. You use the word Freedom freely without realizing that it is a double edged sword.. Everyone through their own choice is FREE to be DUMB and to Believe what they want to believe... It is only those that choose to learn and enlighten themselves and not SWALLOW down lies and follies that are FREE to understand who is in SIN and who is Still in DENILE... Hmmm...

Yeah, umm, ok.

That's a whole lot of rhetoric with zero references. Got anything more?

Is that the best you can do Marion.. We live in the computer age you have all the information at your fingertips... Have at it unless you are the type of guy that likes your bread store bought and packaged and are too lazy to get a bread machine and make it fresh for yourself...One could say the same for all the claims in the New Testament for your idol Jesus why it is almost as professional as the national enguirer.. It is about as believable as well.....

Your racist sects stagnated and died with the Maccabees. A new reform Rabbi came along and changed your racist cult into a universal sect, and now it is largely Gentile Jews doing the work of the 'chosen' now; just sit back and stay out of the way, and worship your genealogies and practice your empty rituals, and carry on, you've made your little sect of Judaism irrelevant.

On the contrary we are recovering from our ordeal at the hands of the “ gentile” not genteel ... In case you haven’t looked around the gentile nations of Europe and the West are dying and are being over run and removed you have not got much time left... If gd lives forever that is how it is done... What is a hundred years in his eyes...Israel is thriving... Its population is growing and so is its influence... Sure it is much hated but all those things will be rectified... You need to read Isaiah 45 they have escaped your hatred and are slowly but surely recovering... Would be really interesting to see what those gentile nations look like in a hundred years or so though...

I see you can't bring yourself to admit Gentile Jews exist. Typical, lol. Christians are doing fine, they're growing in Asia, and doing so under very unfriendly conditions. Israel is kept alive by Gentile Jews, not you Orthodox cranks and bigots, thank you very much; you make up maybe 20% of Israeli Jews and rapidly making yourselves unwanted there, being mostly just parasites who aren't even Zionist and won't lift a finger to defend the state, so you don't get to take any credit for anything 'thriving'. You contribute nothing to it.

 

[Meriweather]

The last supper is more then likely a ripoff and borrowed from pagan lore from Babylon where twelve Godmen are eating at a table and a 13 th shows up... In order for the balance of 12 to be reinstated one of these godmen had to die .In the story of the gospels that of course was Jesus... . The number 13 was considered bad and un natural and in some cultures it was removed.That is why there are twelve months and 12 signs of the zodiac for example....You can still see this practise when going into some buildings where the 13 th floor is not counted and elevators go from 12 to 14 th floors not numbering the 13 th As 14.People should look these things up to enlighten themselves....If Christianity is trying to be obedient to god as you say then why are they breaking the commandment to eat of or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. You use the word Freedom freely without realizing that it is a double edged sword.. Everyone through their own choice is FREE to be DUMB and to Believe what they want to believe... It is only those that choose to learn and enlighten themselves and not SWALLOW down lies and follies that are FREE to understand who is in SIN and who is Still in DENILE... Hmmm...

No, the Last Supper has no connection to pagan lore from Babylon. As I said earlier, this time of year is a celebration of life, and a season where we strive to be obedient to God. The Twelve Apostles have everything to do with the Twelve Tribes of Israel (one father, twelve sons equals thirteen as well).

 

[shimon]

The last supper is more then likely a ripoff and borrowed from pagan lore from Babylon where twelve Godmen are eating at a table and a 13 th shows up... In order for the balance of 12 to be reinstated one of these godmen had to die .In the story of the gospels that of course was Jesus... . The number 13 was considered bad and un natural and in some cultures it was removed.That is why there are twelve months and 12 signs of the zodiac for example....You can still see this practise when going into some buildings where the 13 th floor is not counted and elevators go from 12 to 14 th floors not numbering the 13 th As 14.People should look these things up to enlighten themselves....If Christianity is trying to be obedient to god as you say then why are they breaking the commandment to eat of or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. You use the word Freedom freely without realizing that it is a double edged sword.. Everyone through their own choice is FREE to be DUMB and to Believe what they want to believe... It is only those that choose to learn and enlighten themselves and not SWALLOW down lies and follies that are FREE to understand who is in SIN and who is Still in DENILE... Hmmm...

Yeah, umm, ok.

That's a whole lot of rhetoric with zero references. Got anything more?

Is that the best you can do Marion.. We live in the computer age you have all the information at your fingertips... Have at it unless you are the type of guy that likes your bread store bought and packaged and are too lazy to get a bread machine and make it fresh for yourself...One could say the same for all the claims in the New Testament for your idol Jesus why it is almost as professional as the national enguirer.. It is about as believable as well.....

Your racist sects stagnated and died with the Maccabees. A new reform Rabbi came along and changed your racist cult into a universal sect, and now it is largely Gentile Jews doing the work of the 'chosen' now; just sit back and stay out of the way, and worship your genealogies and practice your empty rituals, and carry on, you've made your little sect of Judaism irrelevant.

On the contrary we are recovering from our ordeal at the hands of the “ gentile” not genteel ... In case you haven’t looked around the gentile nations of Europe and the West are dying and are being over run and removed you have not got much time left... If gd lives forever that is how it is done... What is a hundred years in his eyes...Israel is thriving... Its population is growing and so is its influence... Sure it is much hated but all those things will be rectified... You need to read Isaiah 45 they have escaped your hatred and are slowly but surely recovering... Would be really interesting to see what those gentile nations look like in a hundred years or so though...

I see you can't bring yourself to admit Gentile Jews exist. Typical, lol. Christians are doing fine, they're growing in Asia, and doing so under very unfriendly conditions. Israel is kept alive by Gentile Jews, not you Orthodox cranks and bigots, thank you very much; you make up maybe 20% of Israeli Jews and rapidly making yourselves unwanted there, being mostly just parasites who aren't even Zionist and won't lift a finger to defend the state, so you don't get to take any credit for anything 'thriving'. You contribute nothing to it.

You are assuming much....People are people and there are bigots in every group yourself included with your mistaken ideals..If one is truthfull then one can see .Unfortunately Christianity is on the run almost everywhere... It is pretty well chased out of the Middle East except a few spots.. Europe is dying, very few children and getting older by the minute... China is keeping a watchful eye.. Actually Africa is a bright spot but there is competition and the competition is fierce..Regardless as people search for the truth they will realize that none can be found in Christianity and this will either lead them to atheism or to something else... Judiasm does not go after converts that is one of the main reasons our numbers are low plus being persecuted and not having a land to call our own..If and when people are ready we will be their guiding light( holding truth and knowledge) if not you are free to continue in your darkness( lies and folly)....Your choice...shalom...

 

[shimon]

The last supper is more then likely a ripoff and borrowed from pagan lore from Babylon where twelve Godmen are eating at a table and a 13 th shows up... In order for the balance of 12 to be reinstated one of these godmen had to die .In the story of the gospels that of course was Jesus... . The number 13 was considered bad and un natural and in some cultures it was removed.That is why there are twelve months and 12 signs of the zodiac for example....You can still see this practise when going into some buildings where the 13 th floor is not counted and elevators go from 12 to 14 th floors not numbering the 13 th As 14.People should look these things up to enlighten themselves....If Christianity is trying to be obedient to god as you say then why are they breaking the commandment to eat of or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. You use the word Freedom freely without realizing that it is a double edged sword.. Everyone through their own choice is FREE to be DUMB and to Believe what they want to believe... It is only those that choose to learn and enlighten themselves and not SWALLOW down lies and follies that are FREE to understand who is in SIN and who is Still in DENILE... Hmmm...

No, the Last Supper has no connection to pagan lore from Babylon. As I said earlier, this time of year is a celebration of life, and a season where we strive to be obedient to God. The Twelve Apostles have everything to do with the Twelve Tribes of Israel (one father, twelve sons equals thirteen as well).

Of course it does....Wink....If you are celebrating life then why do you celebrate a death.... You are not logical and are being deceptive... The twelve Apostles represent Sun worship mimicking the movement of the sun in the sky moving through the months of the year just like the stations of Christ does that Catholics celebrate every Easter...That is why you have twelve of them.... Do you really want me to bring all this out into the open... Have some pride...

 

[admonit]

the Christians are Jews

Yeah, they eat kosher pigs.

 

[Picaro]

the Christians are Jews

Yeah, they eat kosher pigs.

Most Jews don't eat kosher any more. Most Jews are reformed and aren't Orthodox bigots. they're a small minority, and have been for several centuries, and Jewish culture moved on without them starting over 2,000 years ago. The only 'light' the Orthodox are going to show the world is the light being shined up their asses during their annual colon cancer checkups. They supported Muslims against the West for centuries, and then whined about being treated with the same 'appreciation' as their friends got. their cries of 'innocence' and oppression' are hypocritical and self-serving rubbish until the 'enlightenment' of the 18th century brought many more former Orthodox Jews into the modern era and out of self-isolation and racist snobbery.

 

[irosie91]

Thus Jesus fulfilled the Passover symbolism and infused the whole feast with a new meaning.

Other than if Jesus existed, that Last Supper would have preceded the Seder by at least 200 years.

not entirely true-----the PASSOVER as a holiday with a festive meal including
unleavened bread and lamb--------was already an ONGOING thing for jews like
Jesus------every Pharisee did it-----and Jerusalem was the preferred place

 

[Weatherman2020]

Interesting OP.

Whether or not the racist tribalist Jews who mistakenly think God chose them for any other reason other than grace like it or not is what is irrelevant; the Christians are Jews, and it's that Jewish sect that keeps it alive and on track, not the nasty racist 'Orthodox' types who think they're some sort of 'master race' and entitled to rule the world or something. Those types are not even important in Jewish culture any more, they're around 10% or less at this point.

Jews are the master race, because they are Gods people.
It's why you and your haters spend so much time and energy on such a small fragment of the human race and a tiny strip of sand.

I'm not a 'hater', moron. You know nothing about Orthodox Jews or the Bible. they weren't chosen because of any racial superiority, and they cease being 'chosen' when they deviate from why they're 'chosen'. That is clear throughout the OT. And as I said, Christianity is a sect of Judaism.

There you go again spending time and energy ranting about a sliver of the worlds population.
Being Gods chosen does that to people like you.

 

[irosie91]

the Christians are Jews

Yeah, they eat kosher pigs.

Most Jews don't eat kosher any more. Most Jews are reformed and aren't Orthodox bigots. they're a small minority, and have been for several centuries, and Jewish culture moved on without them starting over 2,000 years ago. The only 'light' the Orthodox are going to show the world is the light being shined up their asses during their annual colon cancer checkups. They supported Muslims against the West for centuries, and then whined about being treated with the same 'appreciation' as their friends got. their cries of 'innocence' and oppression' are hypocritical and self-serving rubbish until the 'enlightenment' of the 18th century brought many more former Orthodox Jews into the modern era and out of self-isolation and racist snobbery.

PIcaro longs for the good old days of the "holey" roman empire
and the filth of canon law and the glorious auto-de-fe

 

[Weatherman2020]

All Christians should attend a Seder meal, preferably held by a completed Jew who can explain the symbolism as I outline below. It is a meal that Jesus would have conducted every year.

A little background first. The Passover is when the Jewish slaves of Egypt put the blood of a lamb over their door so that death passed over the house that night as the final plague on Egypt so they would free the Jews.

The Passover Seder is a Jewish ritual feast that marks the beginning of the Jewish holiday of Passover. The elements are symbols of events with the purpose allowing each generation to remember what occurred in the time of Moses. The Hebrew word Seder means “order.” The Passover meal has a specific order in which food is eaten, prayers are recited, and songs are sung. Each item on the Passover plate has a specific historical meaning related to the exodus of the Jews from Egypt and their freedom from slavery. Most of the elements are historical, and some are messianic.

Passover is also the day Jesus was crucified.

One of the elements is the shank bone of a lamb to symbolize the placement of blood over the doors in Egypt. John 1:29, Jesus is the lamb of God. His blood saves all who accept Him.

The instructions for the original Passover specified that the lamb’s bones could not be broken, another foreshadowing of Christ’s death as the prophecy of the death of Jesus would not have his bones broken. (Crucifixion requires the use of the legs to fill the lungs with air. If they wanted to speed things along the legs of the person being crucified were broken. The two crucified with Jesus had their legs broken, Jesus was dead when they got to him. Then his side was pierced to make sure.)

Matzoh is unleavened bread to remember when the fleeing Jews did not have time to let the bread rise. It is flat, pierced, and striped as an end product.

Isaiah 53:5

But He was pierced for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The punishment that brought us peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.

Jesus was bruised, whipped and pierced.

Three matzoh are placed in a linen bag. Jews do not know why they place three in the bag. Christians recognize this as Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

There are three pouches in the bag, one for each matzoh. The middle matzoh is broken in half. One half remains inside the bag, the other is wrapped in linin and hidden until the end of the meal. As stated earlier, no one knows why three. Some Jews believe they represent Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But they cannot explain why Isaac is broken. Christians recognize this as the broken body of Christ. The other half removed is wrapped in a linen cloth and hidden. Christians recognize this as the linen wrapped body placed into a tomb.

There are also four cups of wine used at various points during the Seder. Each of these glasses of wine has a name: the first glass is the “cup of sanctification.” The second is the “cup of judgment.” The third is the “cup of redemption.” And the fourth is the “cup of praise.” At the Last Supper Jesus took the first cup and promised His disciples that the next time He drank the fruit of the vine with them would be in the kingdom. Later in the Seder, Jesus took the third cup—the cup of redemption—and used that cup as a symbol of the New Covenant in His blood. Thus Jesus fulfilled the Passover symbolism and infused the whole feast with a new meaning.

At the end of the meal tradition has the children go and find the hidden half of matzoh. When it is found it is removed from the linen and the festivities can begin. Christians see this as the resurrection.

I've always wondered, do you guys actually realize how insulting this sort of proselytization is?

I've heard "Jews for Jesus" try to make this argument before.

Considering it's been four Jews over the years who've taught me this during Seder you once again validate you don't have a clue about anything.

 

[irosie91]

You are calling the kettle black... It is Christianity that perverts and twists the belief system of Judiasm by trying to twist and turn and place their idol Jesus where he/ it does not belong..Making my point again. Since Jews are not supposed to eat or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. Then nothing FLIES over their heads because they are not allowed to have anything to do with it... Christianity however has its eyes turned upWORD because of a false delusion....

It is not my intent to call the kettle black. Nor is it the intent of the majority of Christians to pervert/twist Judaism.

It need not be an "intent"-------it is DONE to the majority of Christians in
places like Sunday school and catechism class and in parts of the
'new testament' ------and in the art and literature of the "Christian world"

 

[irosie91]

All Christians should attend a Seder meal, preferably held by a completed Jew who can explain the symbolism as I outline below. It is a meal that Jesus would have conducted every year.

A little background first. The Passover is when the Jewish slaves of Egypt put the blood of a lamb over their door so that death passed over the house that night as the final plague on Egypt so they would free the Jews.

The Passover Seder is a Jewish ritual feast that marks the beginning of the Jewish holiday of Passover. The elements are symbols of events with the purpose allowing each generation to remember what occurred in the time of Moses. The Hebrew word Seder means “order.” The Passover meal has a specific order in which food is eaten, prayers are recited, and songs are sung. Each item on the Passover plate has a specific historical meaning related to the exodus of the Jews from Egypt and their freedom from slavery. Most of the elements are historical, and some are messianic.

Passover is also the day Jesus was crucified.

One of the elements is the shank bone of a lamb to symbolize the placement of blood over the doors in Egypt. John 1:29, Jesus is the lamb of God. His blood saves all who accept Him.

The instructions for the original Passover specified that the lamb’s bones could not be broken, another foreshadowing of Christ’s death as the prophecy of the death of Jesus would not have his bones broken. (Crucifixion requires the use of the legs to fill the lungs with air. If they wanted to speed things along the legs of the person being crucified were broken. The two crucified with Jesus had their legs broken, Jesus was dead when they got to him. Then his side was pierced to make sure.)

Matzoh is unleavened bread to remember when the fleeing Jews did not have time to let the bread rise. It is flat, pierced, and striped as an end product.

Isaiah 53:5

But He was pierced for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The punishment that brought us peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.

Jesus was bruised, whipped and pierced.

Three matzoh are placed in a linen bag. Jews do not know why they place three in the bag. Christians recognize this as Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

There are three pouches in the bag, one for each matzoh. The middle matzoh is broken in half. One half remains inside the bag, the other is wrapped in linin and hidden until the end of the meal. As stated earlier, no one knows why three. Some Jews believe they represent Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But they cannot explain why Isaac is broken. Christians recognize this as the broken body of Christ. The other half removed is wrapped in a linen cloth and hidden. Christians recognize this as the linen wrapped body placed into a tomb.

There are also four cups of wine used at various points during the Seder. Each of these glasses of wine has a name: the first glass is the “cup of sanctification.” The second is the “cup of judgment.” The third is the “cup of redemption.” And the fourth is the “cup of praise.” At the Last Supper Jesus took the first cup and promised His disciples that the next time He drank the fruit of the vine with them would be in the kingdom. Later in the Seder, Jesus took the third cup—the cup of redemption—and used that cup as a symbol of the New Covenant in His blood. Thus Jesus fulfilled the Passover symbolism and infused the whole feast with a new meaning.

At the end of the meal tradition has the children go and find the hidden half of matzoh. When it is found it is removed from the linen and the festivities can begin. Christians see this as the resurrection.

I've always wondered, do you guys actually realize how insulting this sort of proselytization is?

I've heard "Jews for Jesus" try to make this argument before.

Considering it's been four Jews over the years who've taught me this during Seder you once again validate you don't have a clue about anything.

weather-----you should try attending a HINDU FESTIVAL bash-----you can just as
easily relate the symbols and rituals to "CHRIST" -----as you manage to shoehorn
Jesus into passover

 

[irosie91]

You are calling the kettle black... It is Christianity that perverts and twists the belief system of Judiasm by trying to twist and turn and place their idol Jesus where he/ it does not belong..Making my point again. Since Jews are not supposed to eat or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. Then nothing FLIES over their heads because they are not allowed to have anything to do with it... Christianity however has its eyes turned upWORD because of a false delusion....

It is not my intent to call the kettle black. Nor is it the intent of the majority of Christians to pervert/twist Judaism. In many respects Jesus' Last Supper seems to be as much about the Bread of the Presence as it is about Passover. During this time, Jews are partaking in life, not death, in freedom not slavery. Christians, too, are partaking in life, not death, in freedom from sin as we resolve to be obedient to the will of God.

The last supper is more then likely a ripoff and borrowed from pagan lore from Babylon where twelve Godmen are eating at a table and a 13 th shows up... In order for the balance of 12 to be reinstated one of these godmen had to die .In the story of the gospels that of course was Jesus... . The number 13 was considered bad and un natural and in some cultures it was removed.That is why there are twelve months and 12 signs of the zodiac for example....You can still see this practise when going into some buildings where the 13 th floor is not counted and elevators go from 12 to 14 th floors not numbering the 13 th As 14.People should look these things up to enlighten themselves....If Christianity is trying to be obedient to god as you say then why are they breaking the commandment to eat of or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. You use the word Freedom freely without realizing that it is a double edged sword.. Everyone through their own choice is FREE to be DUMB and to Believe what they want to believe... It is only those that choose to learn and enlighten themselves and not SWALLOW down lies and follies that are FREE to understand who is in SIN and who is Still in DENILE... Hmmm...

Yeah, umm, ok.

That's a whole lot of rhetoric with zero references. Got anything more?

Is that the best you can do Marion.. We live in the computer age you have all the information at your fingertips... Have at it unless you are the type of guy that likes your bread store bought and packaged and are too lazy to get a bread machine and make it fresh for yourself...One could say the same for all the claims in the New Testament for your idol Jesus why it is almost as professional as the national enguirer.. It is about as believable as well.....

Your racist sects stagnated and died with the Maccabees. A new reform Rabbi came along and changed your racist cult into a universal sect, and now it is largely Gentile Jews doing the work of the 'chosen' now; just sit back and stay out of the way, and worship your genealogies and practice your empty rituals, and carry on, you've made your little sect of Judaism irrelevant, just a assortment of mentally ill bigots devoted to lives of empty gestures and delusions of grandeur, much as the Nazi Party was to a small demographic of Germans. Christians are doing just fine, and a far larger demographic of Judaism, so it's clear who is the closet to the theology.

Paul and the mythological "john" of the book of revulsions----were not "rabbis"
They were nuts whose writings led a real murderous maniac----CONSTANTINE---
to develope a sick, barbaric, imperialist CULT. The actual Jesus would likely
vomit at the outcome (assuming there was such a person)

 

[Marion Morrison]

It is not my intent to call the kettle black. Nor is it the intent of the majority of Christians to pervert/twist Judaism. In many respects Jesus' Last Supper seems to be as much about the Bread of the Presence as it is about Passover. During this time, Jews are partaking in life, not death, in freedom not slavery. Christians, too, are partaking in life, not death, in freedom from sin as we resolve to be obedient to the will of God.

The last supper is more then likely a ripoff and borrowed from pagan lore from Babylon where twelve Godmen are eating at a table and a 13 th shows up... In order for the balance of 12 to be reinstated one of these godmen had to die .In the story of the gospels that of course was Jesus... . The number 13 was considered bad and un natural and in some cultures it was removed.That is why there are twelve months and 12 signs of the zodiac for example....You can still see this practise when going into some buildings where the 13 th floor is not counted and elevators go from 12 to 14 th floors not numbering the 13 th As 14.People should look these things up to enlighten themselves....If Christianity is trying to be obedient to god as you say then why are they breaking the commandment to eat of or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. You use the word Freedom freely without realizing that it is a double edged sword.. Everyone through their own choice is FREE to be DUMB and to Believe what they want to believe... It is only those that choose to learn and enlighten themselves and not SWALLOW down lies and follies that are FREE to understand who is in SIN and who is Still in DENILE... Hmmm...

Yeah, umm, ok.

That's a whole lot of rhetoric with zero references. Got anything more?

Is that the best you can do Marion.. We live in the computer age you have all the information at your fingertips... Have at it unless you are the type of guy that likes your bread store bought and packaged and are too lazy to get a bread machine and make it fresh for yourself...One could say the same for all the claims in the New Testament for your idol Jesus why it is almost as professional as the national enguirer.. It is about as believable as well.....

Your racist sects stagnated and died with the Maccabees. A new reform Rabbi came along and changed your racist cult into a universal sect, and now it is largely Gentile Jews doing the work of the 'chosen' now; just sit back and stay out of the way, and worship your genealogies and practice your empty rituals, and carry on, you've made your little sect of Judaism irrelevant, just a assortment of mentally ill bigots devoted to lives of empty gestures and delusions of grandeur, much as the Nazi Party was to a small demographic of Germans. Christians are doing just fine, and a far larger demographic of Judaism, so it's clear who is the closet to the theology.

Paul and the mythological "john" of the book of revulsions----were not "rabbis"
They were nuts whose writings led a real murderous maniac----CONSTANTINE---
to develope a sick, barbaric, imperialist CULT. The actual Jesus would likely
vomit at the outcome (assuming there was such a person)

I'm sensing a bit (okay, a LOT) of vitriol coming from you and aimed at The Bible, why?

 

[Meriweather]

Of course it does....Wink....If you are celebrating life then why do you celebrate a death.... You are not logical and are being deceptive... The twelve Apostles represent Sun worship mimicking the movement of the sun in the sky moving through the months of the year just like the stations of Christ does that Catholics celebrate every Easter...That is why you have twelve of them.... Do you really want me to bring all this out into the open... Have some pride...

Now you are making me question whether you understand Judaism. The Twelve Tribes of Israel do not represent the Zodiac. You certainly display no understanding of Christianity, but instead gleefully make up your own straw men and call them Christian. By the way, there are fourteen Stations of the Cross.

If you wish to display your own ignorance out in the open, that is up to you. When I speak of Judaism, I work to keep my own facts straight.

 

[irosie91]

The last supper is more then likely a ripoff and borrowed from pagan lore from Babylon where twelve Godmen are eating at a table and a 13 th shows up... In order for the balance of 12 to be reinstated one of these godmen had to die .In the story of the gospels that of course was Jesus... . The number 13 was considered bad and un natural and in some cultures it was removed.That is why there are twelve months and 12 signs of the zodiac for example....You can still see this practise when going into some buildings where the 13 th floor is not counted and elevators go from 12 to 14 th floors not numbering the 13 th As 14.People should look these things up to enlighten themselves....If Christianity is trying to be obedient to god as you say then why are they breaking the commandment to eat of or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. You use the word Freedom freely without realizing that it is a double edged sword.. Everyone through their own choice is FREE to be DUMB and to Believe what they want to believe... It is only those that choose to learn and enlighten themselves and not SWALLOW down lies and follies that are FREE to understand who is in SIN and who is Still in DENILE... Hmmm...

Yeah, umm, ok.

That's a whole lot of rhetoric with zero references. Got anything more?

Is that the best you can do Marion.. We live in the computer age you have all the information at your fingertips... Have at it unless you are the type of guy that likes your bread store bought and packaged and are too lazy to get a bread machine and make it fresh for yourself...One could say the same for all the claims in the New Testament for your idol Jesus why it is almost as professional as the national enguirer.. It is about as believable as well.....

Your racist sects stagnated and died with the Maccabees. A new reform Rabbi came along and changed your racist cult into a universal sect, and now it is largely Gentile Jews doing the work of the 'chosen' now; just sit back and stay out of the way, and worship your genealogies and practice your empty rituals, and carry on, you've made your little sect of Judaism irrelevant, just a assortment of mentally ill bigots devoted to lives of empty gestures and delusions of grandeur, much as the Nazi Party was to a small demographic of Germans. Christians are doing just fine, and a far larger demographic of Judaism, so it's clear who is the closet to the theology.

Paul and the mythological "john" of the book of revulsions----were not "rabbis"
They were nuts whose writings led a real murderous maniac----CONSTANTINE---
to develope a sick, barbaric, imperialist CULT. The actual Jesus would likely
vomit at the outcome (assuming there was such a person)

I'm sensing a bit (okay, a LOT) of vitriol coming from you and aimed at The Bible, why?

you mean the book redacted and edited by the staff of the murderous pig---
CONSTANTINE?

 

[admonit]

the Christians are Jews

Yeah, they eat kosher pigs.

Most Jews don't eat kosher any more

Really?

Most Jews are reformed and aren't Orthodox bigots.

Also wrong even for the United States.

they're a small minority, and have been for several centuries,

What? When do you think reform Judaism was established?

and Jewish culture moved on without them starting over 2,000 years ago.

The Jewish culture always was and is based on Judaism.

PS You certainly misunderstood my previous post.