The eldest of the Duggar children resigns from FRC: Child Molestation Charges

[Papageorgio]

Child sexual abuse exists in every community. Unfortunately, it seems to do better and be gotten away with more, in religious communities. Presumedly because smaller ultra religious groups tend to avoid society not part of the group (as here, Duggars belonging to a cult called Quiverfull.) So abuse goes unchecked and unreported more than gets reported.

Sounds like the 'mentor' and even the State Trooper musta been members and much as the Catholics do transferring abusive priests around, the Quiverfull cult handles these issues by sending victims and abusers to other members in key positions. Then should anyone ask, they 'addressed' the problem. Like the FLDS group in Colorado City who literally operate the entire town including the police force. So when abuse happens there (which it does,) 'reporting' the abuse is just informing fellow cult members of SOP.

CSA occurs in the Jewish community as well, as well as in the Amish community. It's everywhere and the more isolationist a group is, the more likely it becomes there's abuse that isn't getting reported outside the group.

Nothing good happens in secret.

I agree with much of what you posted here, however, to be honest, I believe that it's the family's perogative to handle these delicate situations how they see fit.

Particularly if it all occurred w/i the family.

Unfortunately, kids often do bad things, sometimes even terrible, I hope that Duggar guy has learned from and not made a life of such things.

With that said, the Duggars should NEVER have come out so harshly against gays and making the claims they have about "protecting children" and all that other stuff KNOWING full-well the past they have. People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. So for the simple fact that they engaged in such harsh and awful political mixed w/religious rhetoric they should bare the consequences of public shame and scrutiny and even ostrazitation.

The victims weren't just family. The parents and the church had a responsibility to the community to report the abuse to the proper authorities.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Child sexual abuse exists in every community. Unfortunately, it seems to do better and be gotten away with more, in religious communities. Presumedly because smaller ultra religious groups tend to avoid society not part of the group (as here, Duggars belonging to a cult called Quiverfull.) So abuse goes unchecked and unreported more than gets reported.

Sounds like the 'mentor' and even the State Trooper musta been members and much as the Catholics do transferring abusive priests around, the Quiverfull cult handles these issues by sending victims and abusers to other members in key positions. Then should anyone ask, they 'addressed' the problem. Like the FLDS group in Colorado City who literally operate the entire town including the police force. So when abuse happens there (which it does,) 'reporting' the abuse is just informing fellow cult members of SOP.

CSA occurs in the Jewish community as well, as well as in the Amish community. It's everywhere and the more isolationist a group is, the more likely it becomes there's abuse that isn't getting reported outside the group.

Nothing good happens in secret.

I agree with much of what you posted here, however, to be honest, I believe that it's the family's perogative to handle these delicate situations how they see fit.

Particularly if it all occurred w/i the family.

Unfortunately, kids often do bad things, sometimes even terrible, I hope that Duggar guy has learned from and not made a life of such things.

With that said, the Duggars should NEVER have come out so harshly against gays and making the claims they have about "protecting children" and all that other stuff KNOWING full-well the past they have. People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. So for the simple fact that they engaged in such harsh and awful political mixed w/religious rhetoric they should bare the consequences of public shame and scrutiny and even ostrazitation.

The victims weren't just family. The parents and the church had a responsibility to the community to report the abuse to the proper authorities.

Yepp.

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[MarcATL]

Child sexual abuse exists in every community. Unfortunately, it seems to do better and be gotten away with more, in religious communities. Presumedly because smaller ultra religious groups tend to avoid society not part of the group (as here, Duggars belonging to a cult called Quiverfull.) So abuse goes unchecked and unreported more than gets reported.

Sounds like the 'mentor' and even the State Trooper musta been members and much as the Catholics do transferring abusive priests around, the Quiverfull cult handles these issues by sending victims and abusers to other members in key positions. Then should anyone ask, they 'addressed' the problem. Like the FLDS group in Colorado City who literally operate the entire town including the police force. So when abuse happens there (which it does,) 'reporting' the abuse is just informing fellow cult members of SOP.

CSA occurs in the Jewish community as well, as well as in the Amish community. It's everywhere and the more isolationist a group is, the more likely it becomes there's abuse that isn't getting reported outside the group.

Nothing good happens in secret.

I agree with much of what you posted here, however, to be honest, I believe that it's the family's perogative to handle these delicate situations how they see fit.

Particularly if it all occurred w/i the family.

Unfortunately, kids often do bad things, sometimes even terrible, I hope that Duggar guy has learned from and not made a life of such things.

With that said, the Duggars should NEVER have come out so harshly against gays and making the claims they have about "protecting children" and all that other stuff KNOWING full-well the past they have. People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. So for the simple fact that they engaged in such harsh and awful political mixed w/religious rhetoric they should bare the consequences of public shame and scrutiny and even ostrazitation.

The victims weren't just family. The parents and the church had a responsibility to the community to report the abuse to the proper authorities.

No they didn't.

No one was physically injured or killed.

These are sensitive manners and the family has moral discretion to handle this as they see fit.

You must come from a perfect family if you do not understand this.

 

[MarcATL]

Any surprise that Stephanie defends the child molester duggar's and tries to divert with something that has nothing to do with the story

Nope, not surprised at all. She's perhaps one of the most illogical and partisan hacks on this board. Which is chuck-full of radical far RW partisan hacks.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Child sexual abuse exists in every community. Unfortunately, it seems to do better and be gotten away with more, in religious communities. Presumedly because smaller ultra religious groups tend to avoid society not part of the group (as here, Duggars belonging to a cult called Quiverfull.) So abuse goes unchecked and unreported more than gets reported.

Sounds like the 'mentor' and even the State Trooper musta been members and much as the Catholics do transferring abusive priests around, the Quiverfull cult handles these issues by sending victims and abusers to other members in key positions. Then should anyone ask, they 'addressed' the problem. Like the FLDS group in Colorado City who literally operate the entire town including the police force. So when abuse happens there (which it does,) 'reporting' the abuse is just informing fellow cult members of SOP.

CSA occurs in the Jewish community as well, as well as in the Amish community. It's everywhere and the more isolationist a group is, the more likely it becomes there's abuse that isn't getting reported outside the group.

Nothing good happens in secret.

I agree with much of what you posted here, however, to be honest, I believe that it's the family's perogative to handle these delicate situations how they see fit.

Particularly if it all occurred w/i the family.

Unfortunately, kids often do bad things, sometimes even terrible, I hope that Duggar guy has learned from and not made a life of such things.

With that said, the Duggars should NEVER have come out so harshly against gays and making the claims they have about "protecting children" and all that other stuff KNOWING full-well the past they have. People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. So for the simple fact that they engaged in such harsh and awful political mixed w/religious rhetoric they should bare the consequences of public shame and scrutiny and even ostrazitation.

The victims weren't just family. The parents and the church had a responsibility to the community to report the abuse to the proper authorities.

No they didn't.

No one was physically injured or killed.

These are sensitive manners and the family has moral discretion to handle this as they see fit.

You must come from a perfect family if you do not understand this.

You are partially correct. And how they handled this is absolutely despicable.

They did not send the boy to counseling. Instead, they sent him to a cop friend (who is now serving a 56 year sentence for kiddy porn, btw), who then also buried the police records of this. Then, when asked about this, they lied and said he went to counseling. He never did.

So, in one fell swoop, we have sexual abuse, lying, negligence of a minor by putting him in the hands of sexual offender and a cover-up.

They have also claimed that all of the girls also received "counseling". How much you wanna bet they are lying about that one as well?

It's WHY they handled it this way that is so disturbing. They did it out of pure greed.

 

[Papageorgio]

Child sexual abuse exists in every community. Unfortunately, it seems to do better and be gotten away with more, in religious communities. Presumedly because smaller ultra religious groups tend to avoid society not part of the group (as here, Duggars belonging to a cult called Quiverfull.) So abuse goes unchecked and unreported more than gets reported.

Sounds like the 'mentor' and even the State Trooper musta been members and much as the Catholics do transferring abusive priests around, the Quiverfull cult handles these issues by sending victims and abusers to other members in key positions. Then should anyone ask, they 'addressed' the problem. Like the FLDS group in Colorado City who literally operate the entire town including the police force. So when abuse happens there (which it does,) 'reporting' the abuse is just informing fellow cult members of SOP.

CSA occurs in the Jewish community as well, as well as in the Amish community. It's everywhere and the more isolationist a group is, the more likely it becomes there's abuse that isn't getting reported outside the group.

Nothing good happens in secret.

I agree with much of what you posted here, however, to be honest, I believe that it's the family's perogative to handle these delicate situations how they see fit.

Particularly if it all occurred w/i the family.

Unfortunately, kids often do bad things, sometimes even terrible, I hope that Duggar guy has learned from and not made a life of such things.

With that said, the Duggars should NEVER have come out so harshly against gays and making the claims they have about "protecting children" and all that other stuff KNOWING full-well the past they have. People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. So for the simple fact that they engaged in such harsh and awful political mixed w/religious rhetoric they should bare the consequences of public shame and scrutiny and even ostrazitation.

The victims weren't just family. The parents and the church had a responsibility to the community to report the abuse to the proper authorities.

No they didn't.

No one was physically injured or killed.

These are sensitive manners and the family has moral discretion to handle this as they see fit.

You must come from a perfect family if you do not understand this.

Nothing perfect about me or my family. I know a young girl that was abused by a "church" member. She has suffered from that son of a bitch. She was a girl, he was a man. The "church" knew he was a predator. There is a moral obligation of the church to keep their flock and community safe. So I disagree with you, because although she wasn't "physically" injured there are psychological and spiritual injuries.

So what he wanted went out the door when he inappropriately fondled and fingered his victims.

 

[Vandalshandle]

...not to mention that the parents were guilty of aiding and abetting, as well as guilty of conspiracy involving child molestation and assault, after the fact.

 

[MisterBeale]

What I see is a bunch of politically motivated BS in this thread. Child sexual predation is disgusting, no matter which side of the of the political spectrum it comes from, and turning it into a political issue is despicable. However, it seems par for the course in our TV culture wars. What a shame for those hooked on the idiot box who create idols out of pieces of shit.

What’s the Difference Between Josh Duggar and Lena Dunham Again?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dg...ce-between-josh-duggar-and-lena-dunham-again/


The difference, aside from the politics, seems to be that Duggar claims to have regretted his actions, while Lena Dunham proudly described how she sexually molested her sister in her “autobiography”.


No one is talking about how often Lena Dunham stumped for progressive liberal candidates. Or whether Girls will be canceled.


And that’s what this is really about. Aside from everything else, the liberal double standard in the media protects abusers.


Would Roman Polansky or Ira Einhorn, the co-founder of Earth Day who brutally murdered his girlfriend, have gotten the kind of liberal support if their politics had been off? We all know the answer.

Talk about hypocrisy? Stealing innocence, and then using it as a metaphor to get votes? Really?






People should just turn that shit off. At USMB, I would think there a better things than to go on for over 60 pages discussing an idiot box scandal about nobodies on the shit box.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Child sexual abuse exists in every community. Unfortunately, it seems to do better and be gotten away with more, in religious communities. Presumedly because smaller ultra religious groups tend to avoid society not part of the group (as here, Duggars belonging to a cult called Quiverfull.) So abuse goes unchecked and unreported more than gets reported.

Sounds like the 'mentor' and even the State Trooper musta been members and much as the Catholics do transferring abusive priests around, the Quiverfull cult handles these issues by sending victims and abusers to other members in key positions. Then should anyone ask, they 'addressed' the problem. Like the FLDS group in Colorado City who literally operate the entire town including the police force. So when abuse happens there (which it does,) 'reporting' the abuse is just informing fellow cult members of SOP.

CSA occurs in the Jewish community as well, as well as in the Amish community. It's everywhere and the more isolationist a group is, the more likely it becomes there's abuse that isn't getting reported outside the group.

Nothing good happens in secret.

I agree with much of what you posted here, however, to be honest, I believe that it's the family's perogative to handle these delicate situations how they see fit.

Particularly if it all occurred w/i the family.

Unfortunately, kids often do bad things, sometimes even terrible, I hope that Duggar guy has learned from and not made a life of such things.

With that said, the Duggars should NEVER have come out so harshly against gays and making the claims they have about "protecting children" and all that other stuff KNOWING full-well the past they have. People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. So for the simple fact that they engaged in such harsh and awful political mixed w/religious rhetoric they should bare the consequences of public shame and scrutiny and even ostrazitation.

Were all of his victims siblings?

Where do we draw the line when it comes to the legal system becoming involved regarding acts that occur within the family?

 

[Statistikhengst]

What I see is a bunch of politically motivated BS in this thread. Child sexual predation is disgusting, no matter which side of the of the political spectrum it comes from, and turning it into a political issue is despicable. However, it seems par for the course in our TV culture wars. What a shame for those hooked on the idiot box who create idols out of pieces of shit.

What’s the Difference Between Josh Duggar and Lena Dunham Again?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dg...ce-between-josh-duggar-and-lena-dunham-again/


The difference, aside from the politics, seems to be that Duggar claims to have regretted his actions, while Lena Dunham proudly described how she sexually molested her sister in her “autobiography”.


No one is talking about how often Lena Dunham stumped for progressive liberal candidates. Or whether Girls will be canceled.


And that’s what this is really about. Aside from everything else, the liberal double standard in the media protects abusers.


Would Roman Polansky or Ira Einhorn, the co-founder of Earth Day who brutally murdered his girlfriend, have gotten the kind of liberal support if their politics had been off? We all know the answer.

Talk about hypocrisy? Stealing innocence, and then using it as a metaphor to get votes? Really?






People should just turn that shit off. At USMB, I would think there a better things than to go on for over 60 pages discussing an idiot box scandal about nobodies on the shit box.

C+ for an attempt at deflection.

 

[Esmeralda]

this stuff rarely comes out in the open....now here is my prediction..he will come out...confess his sins....get some type of religious rehab (stop laughing i am serious) and them declare his remorse...there is nothing christians like more than a reformed sinner.....just watch and mark my words

One way to protect our children from people like the Duggers and religious institutions that protect molesters and rapists (such as the Catholic church) is to teach our children the critical thinking skills to be able to discern the difference between reality and what the media may depict, to be discerning regarding people and institutions that are trying to manipulate you, etc. The Duggers may have been on TV for many years, and that may be seen as an attempt to portray a lifestyle that is a lie, but if you teach your kids to be discerning and to have good critical thinking skills, they will probably not be manipulated by media, cults, simple minded religious perspectives, fundamentalism, etc.

 

[strollingbones]

now tlc is considering bring back the show with josh dugger....

 

[Esmeralda]

I don't think this is a right wing- left wing thing, or a religious - non-religious thing.


It's about the media manipulating, or attempting to manipulate, our understandings. It's about hypocrisy. It’s about the human condition—there are molesters, always have been. To protect them is very sad and disgusting, and it is not something an authority figure whose pretense is to instruct on ethics should be doing.

It is not something that anyone in a field that works with children or any parent should be doing (supporting molesters), whether it is your child or not. For example, coaches should not protect other coaches who molest. Teachers should not protect other teachers who molest. Religious or ethical leaders should not protect anyone in the ‘flock’ who molests, and so on.

We see a great deal of hypocrisy among people who claim to be religious, which may be why so many people are turned off by religion and less and less people in the US are identifying as Christians or as religious.

One of the things that causes conflict is that the religious right in America sets themselves up as the representative of good values. But then we see a lot of behavior that certainly does not represent good values, like the case in the OP. A long time ago, I went to a bridal shower for a woman at my office. I sat next to her and another woman, and the bride (whom I did not really know) was explaining to the other woman how god had made it possible for her to find her intended: they had an affair and broke up both their marriages so they could be together. She justified all of this by saying it was God's will. We see a lot of this kind of thing coming from the Christian right: justifying behavior by saying it is God's will.

I don't think bad behavior is the exclusive province of the right or left, but we do see a lot of sanctimonious justification for bad behavior coming from the religious right, which is really what this thread is about.

It is not about pointing the finger at one abuser and saying everyone associated with him is bad. It is about realizing that a television show meant to depict good values has protected a molester. The woman who played the girl on Happy Days has come out and said she was sexually used by most of the young male actors on the show: she was too young to realize they shouldn't be having sex with her. It damaged her for life. I haven't seen anything where those men acknowledged their behavior or apologized for it. Bad behavior comes from the right and the left.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Child sexual abuse exists in every community. Unfortunately, it seems to do better and be gotten away with more, in religious communities. Presumedly because smaller ultra religious groups tend to avoid society not part of the group (as here, Duggars belonging to a cult called Quiverfull.) So abuse goes unchecked and unreported more than gets reported.

Sounds like the 'mentor' and even the State Trooper musta been members and much as the Catholics do transferring abusive priests around, the Quiverfull cult handles these issues by sending victims and abusers to other members in key positions. Then should anyone ask, they 'addressed' the problem. Like the FLDS group in Colorado City who literally operate the entire town including the police force. So when abuse happens there (which it does,) 'reporting' the abuse is just informing fellow cult members of SOP.

CSA occurs in the Jewish community as well, as well as in the Amish community. It's everywhere and the more isolationist a group is, the more likely it becomes there's abuse that isn't getting reported outside the group.

Nothing good happens in secret.

I agree with much of what you posted here, however, to be honest, I believe that it's the family's perogative to handle these delicate situations how they see fit.

Particularly if it all occurred w/i the family.

Unfortunately, kids often do bad things, sometimes even terrible, I hope that Duggar guy has learned from and not made a life of such things.

With that said, the Duggars should NEVER have come out so harshly against gays and making the claims they have about "protecting children" and all that other stuff KNOWING full-well the past they have. People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. So for the simple fact that they engaged in such harsh and awful political mixed w/religious rhetoric they should bare the consequences of public shame and scrutiny and even ostrazitation.

The victims weren't just family. The parents and the church had a responsibility to the community to report the abuse to the proper authorities.

No they didn't.

No one was physically injured or killed.

These are sensitive manners and the family has moral discretion to handle this as they see fit.

You must come from a perfect family if you do not understand this.

I come from a very imperfect family and I can tell you that the worst injuries don't necessarily leave a mark.

You are absolutely wrong on this, especially since we known he's a repeat offender and that he did it again after his family sent him away to live with the kiddie porn cop.

Can you guarantee there are not more instances of him victimizing little girls?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

now tlc is considering bring back the show with josh dugger....

Oh, they'll be back.

Money is far more important than the welfare of young girls.

Besides the fundie nutters have all gathered round to defend this creep because, god is on the side of molesters and kiddie pornographers. If god were on the side of 5yo victims, he would's smote the creep instead of paying him to spew his garbage.

 

[Esmeralda]

Child sexual abuse exists in every community. Unfortunately, it seems to do better and be gotten away with more, in religious communities. Presumedly because smaller ultra religious groups tend to avoid society not part of the group (as here, Duggars belonging to a cult called Quiverfull.) So abuse goes unchecked and unreported more than gets reported.

Sounds like the 'mentor' and even the State Trooper musta been members and much as the Catholics do transferring abusive priests around, the Quiverfull cult handles these issues by sending victims and abusers to other members in key positions. Then should anyone ask, they 'addressed' the problem. Like the FLDS group in Colorado City who literally operate the entire town including the police force. So when abuse happens there (which it does,) 'reporting' the abuse is just informing fellow cult members of SOP.

CSA occurs in the Jewish community as well, as well as in the Amish community. It's everywhere and the more isolationist a group is, the more likely it becomes there's abuse that isn't getting reported outside the group.

Nothing good happens in secret.

I agree with much of what you posted here, however, to be honest, I believe that it's the family's perogative to handle these delicate situations how they see fit.

Particularly if it all occurred w/i the family.

Unfortunately, kids often do bad things, sometimes even terrible, I hope that Duggar guy has learned from and not made a life of such things.

With that said, the Duggars should NEVER have come out so harshly against gays and making the claims they have about "protecting children" and all that other stuff KNOWING full-well the past they have. People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. So for the simple fact that they engaged in such harsh and awful political mixed w/religious rhetoric they should bare the consequences of public shame and scrutiny and even ostrazitation.

The victims weren't just family. The parents and the church had a responsibility to the community to report the abuse to the proper authorities.

No they didn't.

No one was physically injured or killed.

These are sensitive manners and the family has moral discretion to handle this as they see fit.

You must come from a perfect family if you do not understand this.

Just for the record, the 'no physical injuries' thing.....It is often the case that an emotional injury is worse than a physical injury, and very often everlasting. I know of a case where a woman was molested by a step parent. When she became a parent, due to her emotional damage, she had many problems with her personal well being and self esteem; she inflicted on her children a great deal of emotional damage because of that, to the point that one of them ended up being a rapist, raping women his mother's age. Rape is not about sex, it's about power, and his mother's emotional manipulations, due to her being sexually abused as a child, led to her son's feeling of powerlessness.

The point is that emotional abuse, which child molestation really is, may cause injuries that never go away and can cause behavior that is abusive to others throughout one's life. It's far more devastating than a bruise or black eye. I'm not saying physical abuse of children is okay, not by any means. I'm saying emotional abuse is most likely just as serious and just as damaging.

 

[strollingbones]

there are so many ifs....no one comes from a perfect family....and in most families....a cover up would occur but in most families they dont go on national tv and reveal their lives...or go on a political tour saying others are child molesters when you know you are harboring one in your home....he has not gotten help at all....never got any counseling expect from pastors who told him to pray and ask forgiveness...yea the leo being in jail for child porn and he was good friends of the duggers....now if i were into child porn..i think a family with a bunch of kids they pay very little attention to...would be perfect to groom kids from....wonder what else goes on in the dugger home that the parents do not know about

 

[Stephanie]

lol, man oh man. some of you people just can't mind your own business.

now wondering what goes in their home. I would bet all you making a stink over them NEVER even watched the show.

my gawd there has to be more important thing to worry over in life

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Online Commenter Warned About Josh Duggar 8 Years Ago: "Precious Josh" Could Do No Wrong
Eight years ago, Alice gave a thorough and detailed account of events that are nearly identical to those outlined in the police report that became public this week:

"In January, the whole family went to Chicago and taped Oprah Winfrey show... As you may have noticed, that show never aired and it never will," Alice posted before delivering the bombshell that The Oprah Winfrey Show staffers had been told that Josh had molested five minor girls. Alice then wrote, "Yes, this is the truth ... They have been investigated to some length..."

On the subject of Josh's parents Jim Bob, 49 and Michelle, 48, Alice wrote "They have lied and lied about their son to protect him... In my eyes he is a CHILD MOLESTOR. HE SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE HOME."

Alice went on to write, "If you don’t believe me, contact the Arkansas State Police Child Protection Agency in Bentonville, Ar. and the Washington County Child Protection Agency in Fayetteville. It will be worth the time and effort to read all about it... People, trust me or not. I know this for a fact. God's honest truth that the molestation happened. I could go into detail, but I won't. Of course, you can find nothing about the charges. The Duggar’s want to keep this hid. Wouldn’t you? They wouldn’t have the things that they do if it had gotten out earlier....

She continued, "They call their son “Precious Josh” and in their eyes he can do nothing wrong."



Josh Duggar Molestation Online Commenter Warned About Coverup in 2007 People.com

 

[strollingbones]

Amy Duggar Wasn t Sexually Molested By Cousin Josh Duggar Cracks An Incest Joke Video

apparently josh thinks incest is amusing.....and jokes about it