The effects so far of global warming

[Old Rocks]

And the Vikings (the Scandinavian ones, not the dudes in purple) raised cattle on Greenland, during medieval times....So what?

Pointed that out to them in another thread. In one ear, out the other with nary the danger of striking a braincell. Just the mucus plugs on both sides.

So you are also an idiot. Isn't that special.

 

[dilloduck]

So the idiocy of trying to raise animals that destroyed the very resources that they depended on was one of the factors that doomed the Greenland Colonies.


http://www.iupui.edu/~geni/documents/Vikings_in_Greenland-An_Overview.doc

Factor Five: Faulty social values. Culture and values significantly affect a society’s ability to adapt and respond to change. Greenland Norse trash middens (like today’s land fills) indicate a surprising lack of fish and ringed seal bones, two food sources that were abundant during the Viking demise. Many Viking bones indicate that near the demise of the population, the Greenlanders were severely malnourished amidst abundant un-utilized food sources. It appears that the Norse did not adapt hunting methods used by the more successful Inuit that would have enabled them to kill whales and ringed seals, both abundant during this cool period. Of course the Greenland Norse had already doomed themselves when their violent ways destroyed relations with the Inuit (a valuable resource) at the outset. In addition Diamond asserts that the Greenland Norse developed some sort of taboo against eating fish, suicidal in hindsight. Perhaps the Greenlanders scorned the pagan skraelings as unworthy of teaching them anything important like how to build umiaqs (kayaks) or hunt ringed seals. Norse farming practices were successful nearly everywhere the Vikings settled except in Greenland. The Greenland Norse were unable to give up their preference for livestock. Perhaps even when the adverse affects of environmental degradation went ignored, it is just as likely the “writing on the wall” was ignored as individuals competed with each other for increasingly scarce resources. Lastly, it is theorized that supporting a social class system tied to the Christian church spelled doom as scarce Greenland resources were traded to support the import of luxury items for the church and the wealthiest families.

People like yourself seem bent on the same thing today.

They hacked your e-mails didn't they ?

 

[Old Rocks]

http://www.ccrc.unsw.edu.au/Copenhagen/Copenhagen_Diagnosis_LOW.pdf

Estimates of ocean heat uptake have converged and are found to be 50% higher than previous
calculations.
❏❏ Global ocean surface temperature reached the warmest ever recorded for each of June, July
and August 2009.
❏❏ Ocean acidification and ocean de-oxygenation have been identified as potentially devastating
for large parts of the marine ecosystem.

 

[Andrew2382]

if the IPCC says its true then it must be.

It's not like they use any flawed data or anything

 

[dilloduck]

if the IPCC says its true then it must be.

It's not like they use any flawed data or anything

Data ? What data ?

 

[Oddball]

if the IPCC says its true then it must be.

It's not like they use any flawed data or anything

Data ? What data ?

 

[Big Fitz]

And the Vikings (the Scandinavian ones, not the dudes in purple) raised cattle on Greenland, during medieval times....So what?

Pointed that out to them in another thread. In one ear, out the other with nary the danger of striking a braincell. Just the mucus plugs on both sides.

So you are also an idiot. Isn't that special.

That was meant to be insulting? Buddy, you've been showing yourself to be a rampant moron for every single thread I've seen you post in, and this is your best shot?

Gotta be able to bring it, son. That ain't gonna get it done.

 

[Chris]

No, you are the moron.

I live in Va. Beach, not Lynchburg!

And it was 1987 or 86 somewhere in there, so it was probably more like 22 years.

And we never have snow or winters like we used to here.

It hasn't come close to 0 degrees here in a long while.

Right, because Lynchburg and Virginia Beach are like 3,000 miles apart numbnuts .......

P.S. The record high temp in Va. Beach was 103 degrees in 1957.......

Chris has been exposed for his complete stupidity and dishonesty regarding this subject.

He brings up localized weather as some form of proof for global warming, and yet, he is then given proof that the average temps for Virginia last winter were actually cooler than winters decades past. In response to that he replies he does not live in Richmond Virginia but rather he lives around Virginia Beach - so therefore, the temperature data of Richmond has little bearing on weather conditions at Virginia Beach - guess that 100 miles difference is terribly significant in Chris's little mind.

Ok Chris, how about we take a look at Norfolk Virginia temperature data shall we - that is just a stone's throw from Virginia Beach and like Richmond, has a longer-term temperature data that can be obtained from Weather Underground.

We shall once again utilize the dates of December 15 - March 3rd. Such a time period gives us a good generalized idea of what the average winter temps were for the area for each season, and we shall simply jump back every ten years from the starting period of last winter. Temps shown will be the average daily mean temperature over that roughly
3- month time period.

2008-2009: 42 Degrees

1998-1999: 45 Degrees (Ouch! Winter ten years ago was a lot warmer than last year)

1988-1989: 44 Degrees (Ah man, winter 20 years ago was warmer than last year)

1978-1979: 38 Degrees (Ah-Hah! Colder winter season than last year - finally!)

1968-1969: 40 Degrees (Hey - winter 40 years ago was cooler than last year too...)

1958-1959: 41 Degrees (Uh -Oh, winter 50 years ago only a little colder than last year)

1948-1949: 45 Degrees (What the hell???? Winter 60 years ago was a lot warmer???)


Now if take these seven winter seasons that go back 60 years in your area Chris, we come up with an average daily winter season temperature of 41.14 degrees. (It is also interesting to note that the 30 years when winter temperature averages were in decine in Norfolk culminating in the low temps of the 1970s era was the same time when scientists were warning of global cooling due to pollution. That cooling was of course reversed, as was these scientist who simply changed gears and started warning of global warming...)

That means that the recent winters you are coming on here and stating as being much warmer than historical winters for the area is absolutely incorrect. In fact, last year's winter was slightly cooler than the historical winter average for Norfolk over the last 60 years. If global warming was real - this would not be the case.

Your premise is wrong - you are wrong.




-Data taken from WeatherUnderground-

History : Weather Underground

Thanks for proving my point.

When I went to the link you provided, the lowest temperature in the winter of 1985 was -2 degrees with a mean of 42 degrees.

When I went to the link you provided, the lowest temperature last winter was 15 degrees with a mean of 43 degrees.

And last winter was the coldest we have had in a while.

Thanks Sinatra, you're the best!