The Docs cases are entirely different.

[Marener]

The same people that made up Russian collusion and investigated it. Are the same people saying this about the obstruction of justice. Everyone of them should be in jail.

The FBI raid turned up documents that were labeled classified.

No one seriously denies this.

Are you?

 

[jknowgood]

The FBI raid turned up documents that were labeled classified.

No one seriously denies this.

Are you?

And they were there a couple months before the raid and said everything was okay. Except for a lock and Trump took care of it.

 

[Marener]

And they were there a couple months before the raid and said everything was okay. Except for a lock and Trump took care of it.

They were there a few months before and were told that no documents marked classified were remaining at Mar a Lago.

Do you deny this?

 

[jknowgood]

They were there a few months before and were told that no documents marked classified were remaining at Mar a Lago.

Do you deny this?

He had classified documents, which is legal for presidents to have.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Why wasn't Pence investigated?

He was.

The DOJ decided not to prosecute.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

Be consistent if Biden and Pence were charged and punished for having documents. Then Trump should get the same. Haven't heard anything on Pence,

Pence was investigated, and the DOJ decided not to prosecute for taking the documents.

Same as Biden and FPOTUS#45

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

They were there a few months before and were told that no documents marked classified were remaining at Mar a Lago.

Do you deny this?

He had classified documents, which is legal for presidents to have.

FPOTUS#45 hasn't been charged with "having" the classified documents. That same as Pence and Biden.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

And they were there a couple months before the raid and said everything was okay. Except for a lock and Trump took care of it.

If you mean by "said everything was okay" the NARA/FBI Agents that served the subpoena. That is not what happened.

They didn't say everything was okay, they asked to look in the boxes and FPOTUS#45 denied the request. The NARA/FBI then requested an additional lock on the door, which was nice of FPOTUS#45's lawyer while the NARA/FBI went away to get the search warrant.

WW

 

[jknowgood]

Pence was investigated, and the DOJ decided not to prosecute for taking the documents.

Same as Biden and FPOTUS#45

WW

Then they shouldn't prosecute Trump either. You think they knew about Pence and Biden before they decided to go after trump with this?

 

[WorldWatcher]

Then they shouldn't prosecute Trump either. You think they knew about Pence and Biden before they decided to go after trump with this?

They aren't prosecuting Biden, Pence, or FPOTUS#45 for taking documents. They are being treated the same.

I don't think the DOJ "knew" about the documents until Biden and Pence self reported and cooperated.

WW

 

[Marener]

He had classified documents, which is legal for presidents to have.

He isn’t president. Biden is.

 

[jknowgood]

He isn’t president. Biden is.

Probably not for long.

 

[WorldWatcher]

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Probably not for long.

I don't disagree.

But barring impeachment he'll remain president at least through January 20, 2025.

WW

 

[jknowgood]

I don't disagree.

But barring impeachment he'll remain president at least through January 20, 2025.

WW

I don't know, looks like they are setting to 25th him. Saying he isn't mentally there to stand trial. But you're probably right.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I don't know, looks like they are setting to 25th him. Saying he isn't mentally there to stand trial. But you're probably right.

Let's take a look at the 25th Amendment, it is not a "bumper sticker" get out of jail free card to fire a President. As a matter of fact, the 25th doesn't really remove the President. It's used for a period of incapacitation to allow the VP to function as the Acting President, the VP doesn't become President.

So the applicable section says:

4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
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So now let's review the sequence of steps:

1. The VP thinks the President is incapacitated (the VP's approval is required) calls the Cabinet to have a vote.
2. If the majority of the cabinet agrees with the VP, then a letter is sent to the Senate and the House and the VP assumes the duties of President.
3. If the President disagrees, all (s)he has to do is send a letter to the Senate and the House notifying them (he)r isn't incapacitated and they reassume the duties of President. This can happen so fast that the VP really doesn't have any time to function as President.
4. The VP and Cabinet recertify the Presidents incapacity and retransmit it to Congress within 4 days.
5. Once the 2nd incapacity notification is received Congress has 48 hours to assemble and then has 21 days to vote on the action.
6. BOTH Chambers are required to vote with a 2/3rds majority.
7. If the 2/3rds majority approves the action, the VP becomes Acting President. Notice the President is not removed from office, the VP doesn't become President, they become the acting President. Which means (s)he can be returned to full duty at a later day upon resubmission.
8. If the 2/3rds majority is not reached, the President remains on duty.

So:

A. The VP has to approve the action, no if ands or buts. The only "majority vote" applies to the cabinet members. Meaning it's VP + majority of cabinet. With Harris as the VP, the 25th will not be invoked.

B. There is no way in hell that BOTH chambers of Congress are going to agree to vote 2/3rds to agree. The DEMs will not vote to sideline their own Presidential Candidate and the GOP isn't going to attempt to sideline Biden because they want him front and center in the campaign until the election.

Just my thoughts.

WW

 

[Marener]

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Probably not for long.

You missed the point

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Be consistent if Biden and Pence were charged and punished for having documents. Then Trump should get the same. Haven't heard anything on Pence, but they say Biden is mentally unfit to take to trail. Lol, you think they would've pulled this on Trump if they knew Biden illegally took classified documents?

Trump is not being punished for having the documents, he is being punished for not returning them when told to do do and you know that.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

So you think Biden should get a free pass?

Read my reply dumbass.

 

[Cellblock2429]

They are indeed, pants shitter.
When asked nicely, Biden gave the documents back and took responsibility for having them.
Trump did not. Hence the pending charges against him while zero charges for Biden.

Have a nice day!

/----/ "When asked nicely, Biden gave the documents back and took responsibility for having them."
You go grab some top secret documents without clearance; when caught, give them back and take responsibility; then tell us what happens to you. -- You imbecile.

 

[jknowgood]

Trump is not being punished for having the documents, he is being punished for not returning them when told to do do and you know that.

We are being told that from the same people that made up Russian collusion and investigated it. To take Trump out, you really believe them?