The destruction of Germany`s Black Forest Hilltops to faciltate Green Energy

[polarbear]

Not a day goes by without the North American media bragging about the "success" of Germany`s green power. What they don`t tell you is at what price that "success" came.
Not just financially damaging but also savagely damaging a lot of what was until then an unmarred Black Forest.
The only way solar and wind power can satisfy a power on demand grid is to be able to store excess energy during low demand time periods so that it can supply enough power during peak demand times.
German Engineers have solved this problem with power storage systems that are called Pumpspeicherkraftwerk.
You can Google using this word but then you`ll never find an accurate translation or the popular outrage that came too late after Germans could see what the impact was on their environment.
A Pumpspeicherkraftwerk uses excess solar and wind power to pump water up into huge concrete storage basins that reverse the flow on demand and generate hydro electric power.

The artist`s concept looks rather innocuous, but in reality it looks like this:

And more and more hilltop forests are decapitated to look like this Hornbecken Pumpspeicherkraftwerk in the Black Forest :

They are growing in numbers as if "Bomber Harris" was at it again cratering the German country side carpet bombing it with huge block buster bombs.
Even the Swiss had enough of it when these power systems sprouted up in their country and now they vote against it in town hall meetings all over the place like in Altdorf:
Altdorf Online: Abstimmungen
~1600 against ~ 800 pro.
Even though it`s not funny, the thought how dismayed the greenies in the US would be is, once they would see these ugly basins on every hilltop in the Appalachians after they have been clearcut to make room for the wind turbines, the solar field, the basins and the pipelines.

 

[yiostheoy]

Every living thing on this planet, plants and animals included, not to mention protists and fungi as well, needs water.

Developing water resources is a very good thing.

Only dope smoking German hippies (like their California hippy counterparts) would NOT want more good water resource projects.

 

[beagle9]

Not a day goes by without the North American media bragging about the "success" of Germany`s green power. What they don`t tell you is at what price that "success" came.
Not just financially damaging but also savagely damaging a lot of what was until then an unmarred Black Forest.
The only way solar and wind power can satisfy a power on demand grid is to be able to store excess energy during low demand time periods so that it can supply enough power during peak demand times.
German Engineers have solved this problem with power storage systems that are called Pumpspeicherkraftwerk.
You can Google using this word but then you`ll never find an accurate translation or the popular outrage that came too late after Germans could see what the impact was on their environment.
A Pumpspeicherkraftwerk uses excess solar and wind power to pump water up into huge concrete storage basins that reverse the flow on demand and generate hydro electric power.

The artist`s concept looks rather innocuous, but in reality it looks like this:

And more and more hilltop forests are decapitated to look like this Hornbecken Pumpspeicherkraftwerk in the Black Forest :

They are growing in numbers as if "Bomber Harris" was at it again cratering the German country side carpet bombing it with huge block buster bombs.
Even the Swiss had enough of it when these power systems sprouted up in their country and now they vote against it in town hall meetings all over the place like in Altdorf:
Altdorf Online: Abstimmungen
~1600 against ~ 800 pro.
Even though it`s not funny, the thought how dismayed the greenies in the US would be is, once they would see these ugly basins on every hilltop in the Appalachians after they have been clearcut to make room for the wind turbines, the solar field, the basins and the pipelines.

. I can understand your alarm, and understand your feelings towards the beauty of things before that situation arrived. Now is there ways to work to landscape in ways in order to hide the projects ? Like another poster wrote in that water projects should be welcomed. If the same efforts were made to landscape in certain ways to hide the projects better, then that would suffice right ?

 

[The Great Goose]

Climate change = humanism

 

[The Great Goose]

Not a day goes by without the North American media bragging about the "success" of Germany`s green power. What they don`t tell you is at what price that "success" came.
Not just financially damaging but also savagely damaging a lot of what was until then an unmarred Black Forest.
The only way solar and wind power can satisfy a power on demand grid is to be able to store excess energy during low demand time periods so that it can supply enough power during peak demand times.
German Engineers have solved this problem with power storage systems that are called Pumpspeicherkraftwerk.
You can Google using this word but then you`ll never find an accurate translation or the popular outrage that came too late after Germans could see what the impact was on their environment.
A Pumpspeicherkraftwerk uses excess solar and wind power to pump water up into huge concrete storage basins that reverse the flow on demand and generate hydro electric power.

The artist`s concept looks rather innocuous, but in reality it looks like this:

And more and more hilltop forests are decapitated to look like this Hornbecken Pumpspeicherkraftwerk in the Black Forest :

They are growing in numbers as if "Bomber Harris" was at it again cratering the German country side carpet bombing it with huge block buster bombs.
Even the Swiss had enough of it when these power systems sprouted up in their country and now they vote against it in town hall meetings all over the place like in Altdorf:
Altdorf Online: Abstimmungen
~1600 against ~ 800 pro.
Even though it`s not funny, the thought how dismayed the greenies in the US would be is, once they would see these ugly basins on every hilltop in the Appalachians after they have been clearcut to make room for the wind turbines, the solar field, the basins and the pipelines.

. I can understand your alarm, and understand your feelings towards the beauty of things before that situation arrived. Now is there ways to work to landscape in ways in order to hide the projects ? Like another poster wrote in that water projects should be welcomed. If the same efforts were made to landscape in certain ways to hide the projects better, then that would suffice right ?

What about sound poluting? The animals will take advantage of the Eurozone to move country.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Capitalism is based upon endless - expansion of the enterprise, extraction of all available resources, and concentration of the wealth generated thereof.

 

[skookerasbil]

What you realize is that none of these global warming goofballs give a shit about the environment........its all about the narrative being perpetuated to ensure the march of globalism and wealth redistribution.

ghey

 

[Old Rocks]

It is the orange clown and his admin of incompetents that are allowing the companies doing mountaintop removal mining to once again destroy watersheds.

Germany needs to buy a bunch of grid scale batteries from Tesla.

 

[skookerasbil]

It is the orange clown and his admin of incompetents that are allowing the companies doing mountaintop removal mining to once again destroy watersheds.

Germany needs to buy a bunch of grid scale batteries from Tesla.

They are importing too much coal for cheap to notice........costs matter to thee people. Have built 7 new clean coal fired plants in the past 3 years too........13 more to go by 2020. And I keep hearing that coal is dead!

 

[polarbear]

Here is oldrocks again with his "grid battery". While anyone who has any idea about engineering would not even consider a battery so huge that could store the MWhrs these pumped reservoirs can provide. This is not just some little toy battery that you posted once which can power up a residential section of LA for a couple of hours. When these artificial lakes get drained for power generation they buffer on occasion the entire energy grid for the entire country all day long and right through the night. You have no idea what you are looking at when you are looking at a lake larger than several football fields and a height differential as shown just how much energy that represents.
No wonder there is no shortage of suckers that fall for TV commercials that show a toy like this

pump up a tire just as fast as this:

 

[yiostheoy]

Not a day goes by without the North American media bragging about the "success" of Germany`s green power. What they don`t tell you is at what price that "success" came.
Not just financially damaging but also savagely damaging a lot of what was until then an unmarred Black Forest.
The only way solar and wind power can satisfy a power on demand grid is to be able to store excess energy during low demand time periods so that it can supply enough power during peak demand times.
German Engineers have solved this problem with power storage systems that are called Pumpspeicherkraftwerk.
You can Google using this word but then you`ll never find an accurate translation or the popular outrage that came too late after Germans could see what the impact was on their environment.
A Pumpspeicherkraftwerk uses excess solar and wind power to pump water up into huge concrete storage basins that reverse the flow on demand and generate hydro electric power.

The artist`s concept looks rather innocuous, but in reality it looks like this:

And more and more hilltop forests are decapitated to look like this Hornbecken Pumpspeicherkraftwerk in the Black Forest :

They are growing in numbers as if "Bomber Harris" was at it again cratering the German country side carpet bombing it with huge block buster bombs.
Even the Swiss had enough of it when these power systems sprouted up in their country and now they vote against it in town hall meetings all over the place like in Altdorf:
Altdorf Online: Abstimmungen
~1600 against ~ 800 pro.
Even though it`s not funny, the thought how dismayed the greenies in the US would be is, once they would see these ugly basins on every hilltop in the Appalachians after they have been clearcut to make room for the wind turbines, the solar field, the basins and the pipelines.

. I can understand your alarm, and understand your feelings towards the beauty of things before that situation arrived. Now is there ways to work to landscape in ways in order to hide the projects ? Like another poster wrote in that water projects should be welcomed. If the same efforts were made to landscape in certain ways to hide the projects better, then that would suffice right ?

Of a greater alarm is the pacifist hippy Germans being a paper tiger along Putin's road of reconquest.

The stupid German sh!ts are worried about the Black Forest when they should be worrying about their own azzes.

 

[Crick]

Why would all of these be in the Black Forest?

 

[beagle9]

Not a day goes by without the North American media bragging about the "success" of Germany`s green power. What they don`t tell you is at what price that "success" came.
Not just financially damaging but also savagely damaging a lot of what was until then an unmarred Black Forest.
The only way solar and wind power can satisfy a power on demand grid is to be able to store excess energy during low demand time periods so that it can supply enough power during peak demand times.
German Engineers have solved this problem with power storage systems that are called Pumpspeicherkraftwerk.
You can Google using this word but then you`ll never find an accurate translation or the popular outrage that came too late after Germans could see what the impact was on their environment.
A Pumpspeicherkraftwerk uses excess solar and wind power to pump water up into huge concrete storage basins that reverse the flow on demand and generate hydro electric power.

The artist`s concept looks rather innocuous, but in reality it looks like this:

And more and more hilltop forests are decapitated to look like this Hornbecken Pumpspeicherkraftwerk in the Black Forest :

They are growing in numbers as if "Bomber Harris" was at it again cratering the German country side carpet bombing it with huge block buster bombs.
Even the Swiss had enough of it when these power systems sprouted up in their country and now they vote against it in town hall meetings all over the place like in Altdorf:
Altdorf Online: Abstimmungen
~1600 against ~ 800 pro.
Even though it`s not funny, the thought how dismayed the greenies in the US would be is, once they would see these ugly basins on every hilltop in the Appalachians after they have been clearcut to make room for the wind turbines, the solar field, the basins and the pipelines.

. I can understand your alarm, and understand your feelings towards the beauty of things before that situation arrived. Now is there ways to work to landscape in ways in order to hide the projects ? Like another poster wrote in that water projects should be welcomed. If the same efforts were made to landscape in certain ways to hide the projects better, then that would suffice right ?

Of a greater alarm is the pacifist hippy Germans being a paper tiger along Putin's road of reconquest.

The stupid German sh!ts are worried about the Black Forest when they should be worrying about their own azzes.

. Don't Putin's nukes make everyone in the region purdy much paper tigers these days ??

 

[Crick]

Why don't you take political conversations to politics?

Landscaping the Pumpspeicherkraftwerk installations seems like a completely reasonable solution. Power is required by people and industries. Why would these installations be out in the wilderness? I think they aren't

 

[Zebra]

Not a day goes by without the North American media bragging about the "success" of Germany`s green power. What they don`t tell you is at what price that "success" came.
Not just financially damaging but also savagely damaging a lot of what was until then an unmarred Black Forest.
The only way solar and wind power can satisfy a power on demand grid is to be able to store excess energy during low demand time periods so that it can supply enough power during peak demand times.
German Engineers have solved this problem with power storage systems that are called Pumpspeicherkraftwerk.
You can Google using this word but then you`ll never find an accurate translation or the popular outrage that came too late after Germans could see what the impact was on their environment.
A Pumpspeicherkraftwerk uses excess solar and wind power to pump water up into huge concrete storage basins that reverse the flow on demand and generate hydro electric power.

The artist`s concept looks rather innocuous, but in reality it looks like this:

And more and more hilltop forests are decapitated to look like this Hornbecken Pumpspeicherkraftwerk in the Black Forest :

They are growing in numbers as if "Bomber Harris" was at it again cratering the German country side carpet bombing it with huge block buster bombs.
Even the Swiss had enough of it when these power systems sprouted up in their country and now they vote against it in town hall meetings all over the place like in Altdorf:
Altdorf Online: Abstimmungen
~1600 against ~ 800 pro.
Even though it`s not funny, the thought how dismayed the greenies in the US would be is, once they would see these ugly basins on every hilltop in the Appalachians after they have been clearcut to make room for the wind turbines, the solar field, the basins and the pipelines.

Tragic,!

pitty about the poor forest

 

[Mushroom]

Here is oldrocks again with his "grid battery". While anyone who has any idea about engineering would not even consider a battery so huge that could store the MWhrs these pumped reservoirs can provide. This is not just some little toy battery that you posted once which can power up a residential section of LA for a couple of hours. When these artificial lakes get drained for power generation they buffer on occasion the entire energy grid for the entire country all day long and right through the night. You have no idea what you are looking at when you are looking at a lake larger than several football fields and a height differential as shown just how much energy that represents.

I think what I find funniest about this, is realizing this was written in 2017.

And here it is towards the end of 2025, and any kind of "battery" that is a reality is still simply pumped storage. None of the other solutions from gravel to blocks of cement to chemical batteries like in your phone have ever come to reality. Oh, there have been lots and lots and lots of failures, but none are real.

Smaller basins like we often see are good, but that is more for providing gap power than anything else. Power use hits an unexpected high say when everybody gets home from work and turns on their AC and starts the oven to cook dinner. Happens regularly at the same time, for a brief time. Or if the winds are too high or too low, so they need something to jump in and meet the need until more power can be obtained.

Not a permanent replacement like another generator, just something to fill in for a short time when production is low or usage is high.

This entire article is about just that, in English it is normally called "Pumped Storage". And for some reason, the "Greenies" absolutely hate it. I have never comprehended why people that claim to be all about "The Environment" absolutely detest using water, and instead insist on using systems that use dangerous and deadly chemicals.

I worked at a facility near LA that has used pumped storage for decades. And the benefit is that it also provides storage of another important resource that humans need to survive. Water. The facility I worked at stored over 55 billion gallons of water, in addition to operating as a battery to provide power when demand was high.

That is actually enough water that if the California Aqueduct was completely cut off along with all other sources of water going into LA, it would provide that community with water for about 4 months.

And even in LA, I can see a real use for smaller pumped storage like we are seeing in Europe. One of the problems in the fires that devastated LA this year was a lack of water available. If they had a few smaller ones of say a million gallons, in the event of a fire that would have given them more than enough water. Then simple refill them when demand is low.

Hell, for those close to the ocean they can even use pumped storage of seawater.

 

[Old Rocks]

I think what I find funniest about this, is realizing this was written in 2017.

And here it is towards the end of 2025, and any kind of "battery" that is a reality is still simply pumped storage. None of the other solutions from gravel to blocks of cement to chemical batteries like in your phone have ever come to reality. Oh, there have been lots and lots and lots of failures, but none are real.

Smaller basins like we often see are good, but that is more for providing gap power than anything else. Power use hits an unexpected high say when everybody gets home from work and turns on their AC and starts the oven to cook dinner. Happens regularly at the same time, for a brief time. Or if the winds are too high or too low, so they need something to jump in and meet the need until more power can be obtained.

Not a permanent replacement like another generator, just something to fill in for a short time when production is low or usage is high.

This entire article is about just that, in English it is normally called "Pumped Storage". And for some reason, the "Greenies" absolutely hate it. I have never comprehended why people that claim to be all about "The Environment" absolutely detest using water, and instead insist on using systems that use dangerous and deadly chemicals.

I worked at a facility near LA that has used pumped storage for decades. And the benefit is that it also provides storage of another important resource that humans need to survive. Water. The facility I worked at stored over 55 billion gallons of water, in addition to operating as a battery to provide power when demand was high.

That is actually enough water that if the California Aqueduct was completely cut off along with all other sources of water going into LA, it would provide that community with water for about 4 months.

And even in LA, I can see a real use for smaller pumped storage like we are seeing in Europe. One of the problems in the fires that devastated LA this year was a lack of water available. If they had a few smaller ones of say a million gallons, in the event of a fire that would have given them more than enough water. Then simple refill them when demand is low.

Hell, for those close to the ocean they can even use pumped storage of seawater.

First of all, the present storage batteries have proven their worth time and again. The Hornsdale battery in Australia demonstrated not long after it went into service the advantage of that type of battery when a coal fired plant dropped off line. Normally that would have created havoc as the grid tried to adjust for the sudden decrease in power. However, that battery installation responded in milliseconds, and consumers hardly noticed. Pumped storage simply cannot respond quickly enough to prevent chaos in a situation like that. However they can store far more power.

Where the hell do you get the idea that those that want clean sustainable power hate pumped storage? Near Goldendale, Washington we are building a pumped storage facility that will be capable of powering 500,000 homes for 12 hours. And it will be paired with a smaller battery unit that will be capable of near instantaneous response.

Also there are now batteries capable of large amounts of electrical storage;

The Cross Town Energy Storage Facility in Gorham, Maine, is set to be one of the largest battery storage projects in New England. This facility will feature 156 tractor trailer-like containers filled with lithium iron phosphate batteries and is expected to start construction in spring 2025. It will provide the region's grid operators with instant power when needed and contribute to Maine's climate goals by optimizing the use of solar and wind power. The project is part of a national trend to build large battery plants and is being built by Plus Power LLC, which has 60 energy storage projects online or in development across the United States and Canada.

The Maine Monitor+1

The world's largest multi-day energy storage system at the former Lincoln Pulp and Paper Mill in Lincoln, Maine, is also a significant project. This facility will utilize an 85 megawatt battery system with the ability to discharge energy for up to 100 hours, enhancing grid resilience and optimizing the delivery of renewable energy. The project is part of a larger $389 million regional grant through the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law for New England states to strengthen the electric grid and advance the use of clean energy.

The Maine Wire+1

These projects are crucial for Maine's energy future, providing a robust network of electric sponges to balance supply and demand and ensuring the state's commitment to renewable energy sources.

The Maine Monitor+5

 

[Hafar1014]

First of all, the present storage batteries have proven their worth time and again. The Hornsdale battery in Australia demonstrated not long after it went into service the advantage of that type of battery when a coal fired plant dropped off line. Normally that would have created havoc as the grid tried to adjust for the sudden decrease in power. However, that battery installation responded in milliseconds, and consumers hardly noticed. Pumped storage simply cannot respond quickly enough to prevent chaos in a situation like that. However they can store far more power.

Where the hell do you get the idea that those that want clean sustainable power hate pumped storage? Near Goldendale, Washington we are building a pumped storage facility that will be capable of powering 500,000 homes for 12 hours. And it will be paired with a smaller battery unit that will be capable of near instantaneous response.

Also there are now batteries capable of large amounts of electrical storage;

The Cross Town Energy Storage Facility in Gorham, Maine, is set to be one of the largest battery storage projects in New England. This facility will feature 156 tractor trailer-like containers filled with lithium iron phosphate batteries and is expected to start construction in spring 2025. It will provide the region's grid operators with instant power when needed and contribute to Maine's climate goals by optimizing the use of solar and wind power. The project is part of a national trend to build large battery plants and is being built by Plus Power LLC, which has 60 energy storage projects online or in development across the United States and Canada.
The Maine Monitor+1

The world's largest multi-day energy storage system at the former Lincoln Pulp and Paper Mill in Lincoln, Maine, is also a significant project. This facility will utilize an 85 megawatt battery system with the ability to discharge energy for up to 100 hours, enhancing grid resilience and optimizing the delivery of renewable energy. The project is part of a larger $389 million regional grant through the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law for New England states to strengthen the electric grid and advance the use of clean energy.
The Maine Wire+1

These projects are crucial for Maine's energy future, providing a robust network of electric sponges to balance supply and demand and ensuring the state's commitment to renewable energy sources.
The Maine Monitor+5

Nuclear LNG and fossil fuels dont need batteries. Problem solved
Batteries are fire hazard, only last 10 years are toxic and mining minerals creates more pollution than they save.