The Democrat Worm Turns

[PoliticalChic]

Morality. That's my point. Vaules, and which party, which political view doesn't have any.

NEITHER PARTY HAS ANY, PC.

The Republicans are just as Morally bankrupt as the Democrats. The Democrats are just as unlikely to even be able to discuss Family Values with a straight face as the Republicans are; and neither one can back the words up with the biography of their life even if the words sound good coming out of their mouths.

Let's frame the debate: it is not one of absolutes, sadly....but rather of relative merits.

The scale weighs heavily to the right.

 

[Anachronism]

As long as people continue to ignore or worse defend the behavior of our elected officials they will continue to race to the bottom.

There is and always has been a level of acceptable behavior that is expect of these people they are after all a representative of we the people.

Robert, that's because the general population has no more morals or values than the individuals they elect to represent them. Why would you expect an electorate with no soul to elect a representative with one?

 

[shintao]

The great family values party seems to only care about the family values of people with Ds behind their names.

where is all your outrage for Vitter who wore a diaper to a prostitute and is still in office years aftrer the scandal broke.


Its fine if you are a republican , they can do what ever they want.

Not to mention the Larry Craigs and John Ensigns who finished out their terms...

Logic my good fellow. At the first hint, these people should be escorted out of Congress or the WH wash room. Taking a lil psychological test, instilling the public fear of god in them, ... might make for a better moral Congress.

 

[George Costanza]

This whole issue shows just how morally bankrupt the right is.

They only care about personal integrity when its the other guy who stumbles.

Their guys can stumble and fall head first off a 30 story building and every thing is fine and they re elect them.

And don't forget - when the left has the audacity to say anything about such fallen Republicans, the left is accused of "vicious attacks."

 

[PoliticalChic]

This whole issue shows just how morally bankrupt the right is.

They only care about personal integrity when its the other guy who stumbles.

Their guys can stumble and fall head first off a 30 story building and every thing is fine and they re elect them.

Whereas the left will never be morally bankrupt.... they have no morals to lose.

While that may be, CG, the OP, reflecting the current situation, bears out what Friedman said:

"I do not believe that the solution to our problem is simply to elect the right people. The important thing is to establish a political climate of opinion which will make it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing. Unless it is politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing, the right people will not do the right thing either, or if they try, they will shortly be out of office.”
Milton Friedman


Was it Marcus Aurelius ? "Stand erect, or be made to stand erect."
Seems appropriate, in the light of the Weiner calumny.

 

[Seawytch]

Morality. That's my point. Vaules, and which party, which political view doesn't have any.

NEITHER PARTY HAS ANY, PC.

The Republicans are just as Morally bankrupt as the Democrats. The Democrats are just as unlikely to even be able to discuss Family Values with a straight face as the Republicans are; and neither one can back the words up with the biography of their life even if the words sound good coming out of their mouths.

Let's frame the debate: it is not one of absolutes, sadly....but rather of relative merits.

The scale weighs heavily to the right.

Yes, the scale of sex scandals does lean heavily to the right.

 

[Anachronism]

Let's frame the debate: it is not one of absolutes, sadly....but rather of relative merits.

The scale weighs heavily to the right.

There is no debate with me, only discussion; and my world IS one of Absolutes. Relativism is one of the things completely destroying this nation so far as I am concerned, PC.

Neither party has the first plank to be able to form a platform based on morals or values so far as I am concerned. They don't even have a set of plans on how to construct one. They both talk a good game about doing so, but nothing ever comes of it. Instead they use the same old rotted boards that have failed time and time again to try and throw together a facsimile of a platform, then beg us not to condemn it when the platform fails from lack of planning and inferior building materials.

Your arguement is based solely on the idea that.... "They're WORSE than we are!" Maybe they are, but your side has no more moral high ground to stand on. Isn't YOURS the party that ran a closet Liberal for President in 2008 and backed him up with a hypocritical female candidate for VP? No morals or values to be seen in those two selections.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Some leftwingers are beginning to understand that character matters. I guess better late than never.

You are so naive. You remember Livingston chastizing Clinton, all the while roaming the DC streets for blow jobs in his limo. How he begged for mercy, cried not to be found out to his wife & family, and was finally kicked down the Congressional steps to shut him the hell up. Henry Hyde the wife cheater, etc. etc.

FACE THE FACTS!!! Congress is crawling in perverts!!! Keep those bastards the hell away from your families.

As an aside, lest you actually think that there is some equvalence here, did you realize that the example you chose, Henry Hyde, required the dirt-diggers to go back thirty years.
Thirty-three years,in fact.

"On September 16, 1998, David Talbot ran a story on Salon.com about Rep. Henry Hyde, head of the House Judiciary Committee. It had nothing to do with his qualifications, or performance: it was about an affair Hyde had with Cherie Snodgrass. In 1965. Talbot made clear that he ‘outed’ a decades-old story because “Hyde’s committee will decide whether the adulterous affair President Clinton carried on with a White House intern, and his efforts to keep it hidden, should be referred to the House of Representatives for impeachment proceedings.”
Salon Newsreal | "This hypocrite broke up my family"

 

[Greenbeard]

What happened to the Clinton defense, it’s his private life, and has nothing to do with job performance….

"On September 16, 1998, David Talbot ran a story on Salon.com about Rep. Henry Hyde, head of the House Judiciary Committee. It had nothing to do with his qualifications, or performance: it was about an affair Hyde had with Cherie Snodgrass.

In answer to your question, the Clinton defense is alive and well in your posts. Qualifications and performance are distinct from infidelity.

 

[PoliticalChic]

NEITHER PARTY HAS ANY, PC.

The Republicans are just as Morally bankrupt as the Democrats. The Democrats are just as unlikely to even be able to discuss Family Values with a straight face as the Republicans are; and neither one can back the words up with the biography of their life even if the words sound good coming out of their mouths.

Let's frame the debate: it is not one of absolutes, sadly....but rather of relative merits.

The scale weighs heavily to the right.

Yes, the scale of sex scandals does lean heavily to the right.

Democrat Party Chairman Donald Fleischman was charged with two counts of child enticement, two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a child and a single charge of exposing himself to a child.

• Democrat prosecutor John David Roy Atchison was arrested for soliciting sex from a 5-year old girl, then killed himself three weeks later. At the time of his arrest, Atchison was an "assistant U.S. attorney" appointed by President Bush's attorney general.
• Democrat city councilman John Bryan killed himself after police began investigating allegations that he had molested three girls, including two of his adopted daughters, ages 12 and 15.
• Democrat legislator Ted Klaudt was charged with raping girls under the age of 16.
• Democrat city councilman Joseph Monteleone Jr. was found guilty of fondling underage girls.
• Democrat congressional aide Jeffrey Nielsen was arrested for having sex with a 14-year old boy.
• Democrat County Commissioner Patrick Lee McGuire surrendered to police after allegedly molesting girls between the ages of 8 and 13.
• Democrat prosecutor Larry Corrigan was arrested for soliciting sex from 13-year old girls.
• Democrat Mayor Jeffrey Kyle Randall was sentenced to 275 days in jail for molesting two boys -- ages ten and 12 -- during a six-year period.
• Democrat County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.
• Democrat Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.
• Democrat executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.
• Democrat chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.
• Democrat County Constable Larry Dale Floyd pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting sex from an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.
• Democrat judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
Democrat Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.
• Democrat petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.
• Democrat County Chairman Armando Tebano pleaded guilty to fondling a 14-year-old girl.
• Democrat teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.
• Democrat campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.
• Democrat Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
• Democrat Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet.
• Democrat Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.
• Democrat County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
• Democrat legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
• Democrat Committeeman John R. Curtin was convicted of molesting an underage teenage boy and sentenced to serve six to 18 months in prison.
• Democrat anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
please keep your cut and pastes down to a minimum then link to the rest of the article or information.
http://straightshootn.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1075

 

[Greenbeard]

• Democrat Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.

Is this a joke? Are you seriously not even reading (much less fact checking) the things you're copying and pasting here?

 

[PoliticalChic]

What happened to the Clinton defense, it’s his private life, and has nothing to do with job performance….

"On September 16, 1998, David Talbot ran a story on Salon.com about Rep. Henry Hyde, head of the House Judiciary Committee. It had nothing to do with his qualifications, or performance: it was about an affair Hyde had with Cherie Snodgrass.

In answer to your question, the Clinton defense is alive and well in your posts. Qualifications and performance are distinct from infidelity.

The Hyde quote is from the left wing Salon...did you miss that?

The Clinton defense was used by the Left, whereas my post documented that the dirt-diggers had to go back 33 years to find dirt to use to defend the pervert Clinton.

I'm guessing that you were on board with that.

 

[mudwhistle]

• Democrat Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.

Is this a joke? Are you seriously not even reading (much less fact checking) the things you're copying and pasting here?

Nice to see you respond to something other then health care bud.

 

[PoliticalChic]

• Democrat Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.

Is this a joke? Are you seriously not even reading (much less fact checking) the things you're copying and pasting here?

Missed it. Rep on the way.

 

[Greenbeard]

The Hyde quote is from the left wing Salon...did you miss that?

The Clinton defense was used by the Left, whereas my post documented that the dirt-diggers had to go back 33 years to find dirt to use to defend the pervert Clinton.

I'm guessing that you were on board with that.

Ah, of course. So there's a statue of limitations, at which point qualifications and performance become distinct from infidelity.

Do you really vote based on character or is it just convenient to pretend that sometimes?

 

[mudwhistle]

and? rightwingnut freaks like santorum don't play in new jersey. your point?

The point is society decays when morals go out the window.

 

[Seawytch]

Oh goody...I love tit for tat...(just a short list...which is still longer than yours )

http://www.ranker.com/list/republica...ls/web-infoguy

http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Examp...abetical_order

http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=389x5920303


Christopher Lee - Sent flirtatious e-mails and a shirtless photo in response to a personal ad of a single 34-year-old woman on Craigslist.

Mike Duvall - He was recently caught in assembly session gossiping about his recent extra-marital affair with a fellow lobbyist, not knowing that the microphone at his dais was switched on."

Mark Sanford - Affair with a woman in Argentina.

John Ensign - Admitted to having an affair with a married staffer

Vito Fossella - Affair with a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel

Larry Craig - Bathroom sex solicitation scandal

David Vitter - Part of the DC Madam scandal

Charles R. Boutin - Resigned from MD Public Service Comission after email exchanges with a prostitute surfaced."

Newt Gingrich - Acknowledged having an affair in the 1990s

Bob Allen - Solicited oral sex from a male undercover cop. (one of my personal favorites...he offered the cop $20 so that Allen could blow the cop!)

Mark Foley - Involved in a texting scandal with male House pages

Don Sherwood - Affair with 29-year-old woman while he was a PA congressman.

James E. West - Removed as mayor of Spokane, WA after an gay Internet sex scandal.

Jack Ryan - Former wife Jeri claimed he took her to sex clubs and pressured her to have sex in public.

Steve LaTourette - Accused of affair with staffer, who he later married.

Rudy Giuliani - Ex-wife Donna Hanover accused him of "notorious adultery"; he's now married to Judith Nathan, his girlfriend at the time

Henry Hyde - Admitted he'd had an affair many years prior

Helen Chenoweth-Hage - Admitted to a six year affair with a married rancher in her home state of Idaho (Yes, even Republican WOMEN getting in on the action)

Bob Livingston - Admitted to multiple extramarital affairs."

Bob Packwood - Resigned from Senate amid allegations of sexual harassment and abuse

Ken Calvert - Arrested while soliciting a prostitute.

Jon Grunseth - Swam nude with group of 13-year-old girls; suspended gubernatorial run.

Buz Lukens - Spent time in jail after having sex with a 16-year-old girl.

Dan Crane - Reprimanded for having sex with a teenage House page.

John G. Schmitz - Had an affair that led to an out-of-wedlock child.

Jon Hinson - Caught attempting to have oral sex in a men's House restroom.

Robert Bauman - Solicited sex from a 16-year-old boy

Thomas B. Evans, Jr. - Along with other politicians, accused of being involved with lobbyist/former Playboy model Paula Parkinson.

 

[mudwhistle]

The Hyde quote is from the left wing Salon...did you miss that?

The Clinton defense was used by the Left, whereas my post documented that the dirt-diggers had to go back 33 years to find dirt to use to defend the pervert Clinton.

I'm guessing that you were on board with that.

Ah, of course. So there's a statue of limitations, at which point qualifications and performance become distinct from infidelity.

Do you really vote based on character or is it just convenient to pretend that sometimes?

The only person that all Republicans can vote for is the President. The rest of these people only answer to the voters in their state or districts.

 

[Truthmatters]

The great family values party seems to only care about the family values of people with Ds behind their names.

where is all your outrage for Vitter who wore a diaper to a prostitute and is still in office years aftrer the scandal broke.

In terms of R versus D you're absolutely correct, TM. However, for those of us who have neither an R nor a D anywhere near their name, Morals and Values are a large part of why we support NEITHER party. This is because neither party has even the most basic ability to claim any morals or values at this point in time; nor have they for the last century.

I vote, pretty much every time the opportunity arises. However, I find that very often I may only check a box in one out of every five races on the ballot. This is because I will not vote AGAINST a candidate; nor will I vote for the "lesser of two evils". If I cannot support either candidate on the ballot, I simply skip that race entirely. For example.... In 2008 I ended up casting my Presidential vote for a third party candidate, Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party because I could not vote in good conscience for either the R or the D. They were both Liberals who had little in common with my political philosophy. If Baldwin runs again in 2012, he'll probably get my vote again. If not I have a new option.... I'm now eligible to write my own name on the line at the bottom of that race.

Are your morals better?

 

[Anachronism]

Are your morals better?

Yes. Mine are consistant.... both with my beliefs and with the way I live my life. They are also consistant with the way that I believe our society should be.

You can choose to disagree with me on whether or not they're the correct morals and values, but one thing you cannot say is that I don't actually live by the morals and values that I espouse.

Most of society and pretty much every politician I have ever met cannot say the same thing.