The 'Deep State:' Fact Or Fable

[Butch_Coolidge]

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[initforme]

Slave owners were the beginning of the deep state. They were gutless, lazy folk of I'll repute. They began the deep state.

 

[alang1216]

11. Over and over at the Democrat hearing, we heard the opinions of middle-level bureaucrats…as though these pencil-pushers were elected to make foreign policy.


“—the opinion of someone not entitled to make policy. He is surely welcome to state his opinion, when appropriate to do so as part of his official duties and within the chain of command, but that’s it as far as his opinion goes. Actual policy—the question of whether “a strong and independent Ukraine is critical to U.S. national security interests”—is well above his paygrade, properly decided by the president, his cabinet and senior advisors, and members of the Senate who advise and consent on cabinet secretaries and treaties. At least, that’s how the parchment on which the charter of our liberties is written says it’s supposed to work.

The U.S. government policy community’s view is that the election of President Volodymyr Zelensky and the promise of reforms to eliminate corruption will lock in Ukraine’s Western-leaning trajectory, and allow Ukraine to realize its dream of a vibrant democracy and economic prosperity.

What on earth is “[t]he U.S. government policy community”? This is not made clear in the statement, but from the context it would appear to be something like the “deep state” we are elsewhere told does not exist except in the minds of fevered “conspiracy theorists.” Elite conventional wisdom appears to have evolved into: “The deep state is not a thing—and thank God it’s there to save our democracy!” The Empire Strikes Back




“[t]he U.S. government policy community”?

One more title for the Deep State.

It is hard to respond to some unattributed text but some of those testifying were at the Ambassador level, hardly middle-level bureaucrats. Also this president is well known for his sudden and wild swings in policy. Policy often announced in a Tweet. He has the right to set foreign policy but he has a responsibility to inform the State Dep't of what he is doing if he expects them to execute those policies.

 

[candycorn]

The deep state is a myth. Nobody has ever seen it; much like your belly button

 

[anynameyouwish]

The deep state is a myth. Nobody has ever seen it; much like your belly button

if by "deep state" they mean "unscrupulous scoundrels who control most everything and use people like expendable pawns" then I believe that does exist.

But it is hardly "liberal"

 

[PoliticalChic]

What is the logic behind immunizing Quid Pro Joe Biden 'cause he is running for President???

Better to charge him with selling influence after he is elected?

Better to charge him with selling influence after some evidence surfaces that a crime was committed.

Here's the evidence....a confession on tape.





The bribe at 02:15

 

[PoliticalChic]

a shady, Democrat-linked tech firm called CrowdStrike,

Slanderous and untrue. There is no DNC Server and therefore it cannot be in the Ukraine.

7. Soooo….what’s the prob with the phone call???

“Only two substantive points make the phone call at all interesting. First, President Trump very plainly wants to get to the bottom of the entire, still-obscure “election-meddling” story of 2016. That includes not just “deep state” attempts to prevent his election and to set him up for removal should the first effort fail, but also allegations of Russian hacking against American targets, including the Democratic National Committee. It appears—and the Justice Department apparently agrees—that some actors within Ukraine may have had something to do with some of this, possibly colluding (there’s that word again!) with a shady, Democrat-linked tech firm called CrowdStrike, though we as yet know nothing like the full story. Trump wants to know and asked the Ukrainian president for his help in finding out.




8. The second question President Trump asked the Ukrainian president is another “publicly voiced” cause to seek his removal. That question regarded a specific instance of a well-known Washington-insider phenomenon. It is a measure of how insouciantly our elites accept and even welcome the immense corruption of our government that they raise not a single eyebrow at the phenomenon that underlay the president’s question: exactly how is it that well-connected Americans with no particular or relevant skill sets can “earn” enormous sums of money for doing, essentially, nothing?

We all know how, of course. They’re not, exactly, doing “nothing.” They’re providing access—in some instances directly, in others prospectively. When a company or bank or hedge fund or real estate developer or foreign government slides big payments over to someone close to someone who might soon be president, they know what they’re doing, and they know—from experience—that the investment is sound.” The Empire Strikes Back



Biden learned from a master....

What an amazing coincidence that Trumps efforts to investigate an allegation of election interference (one that his intelligence agencies don't support) that may involve a political rival, just when that rival seems to be gaining popularity!!! Curious though that he didn't call Putin since it was Russia that all the US law enforcement and intelligence professionals said did interfere.

But Trump has always tried to fight corruption, remember those chants of 'lock her up' and all the subsequent investigations of Hillary that followed his election. I don't either.

What is the logic behind immunizing Quid Pro Joe Biden 'cause he is running for President???

Better to charge him with selling influence after he is elected?

If our DOJ has information on any US Citizen involved in corruption, the treaty you mentioned earlier has provisions and channels to go through to share that information. I don't believe any of those involve a very public announcement of an investigation into that specific US Citizen, by name.

And, of course, we have a signed treaty to that effect....



If that is a problem.....
....why did Bill 'the rapist' Clinton sign a treaty with the Ukraine with exactly the same purpose?????


"Formal Title

• Treaty Between the United States of America and Ukraine on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters with Annex, signed at Kiev on July 22, 1998, and with an Exchange of Notes signed on September 30, 1999, which provides for its provisional application.

Date Received from President

• 11/10/1999 Text of Treaty Document available as:
  • TXT"
  • TREATY WITH UKRAINE ON MUTUAL LEGAL ASSISTANCE IN CRIMINAL MATTERS
    
    __________
    
    MESSAGE
    
    from
    
    THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
    
    transmitting
    
    TREATY BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND UKRAINE ON MUTUAL LEGAL
    ASSISTANCE IN CRIMINAL MATTERS WITH ANNEX, SIGNED AT KIEV ON JULY 22,
    1998, AND WITH AN EXCHANGE OF NOTES SIGNED ON SEPTEMBER 30, 1999, WHICH
    PROVIDES FOR ITS PROVISIONAL APPLICATION
    
    Text - Treaty Document 106-16 - Treaty with Ukraine on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is The “Deep State” A Fable?

No…it’s a fact.




1.Government school grads will deny the fact 'til their dying day.
There are two reasons why government school grads regularly claim that there is no “Deep State:”

a.They are trying to obviate the argument that there is a cabal in our government that is aimed at reversing the 2016 election.

b.They are ignorant of the Progressive doctrine, from Woodrow Wilson on, that government should be run by unelected bureaucrats who will do a better job than the deplorables.

“Rather than the people being governed by elected representatives, the three branches, “Woodrow Wilson gave the administrative state its rationale: he held that government by nonpartisan, public-spirited, Ivy League–trained experts making rules in such agencies as the Federal Trade Commission or the Interstate Commerce Commission would be infinitely wiser, more efficient, and more responsive to changing conditions and the evolving spirit of the age than the Framers’ government of limited and separated powers, a clockwork relic in the electricity age.

….ever since the New Deal supersized Wilson’s system, administrative agencies have multiplied like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice’s brooms, so that federal regulations now spill out of 240 volumes—and not only overregulated businessmen, infrastructure planners, and a few law professors, but also Supreme Court justices, have begun to wonder by what legitimate authority unelected bureaucrats can make rules like a legislature, carry them out like an executive, and adjudicate and punish infractions of them like a judiciary, usurping powers that the Constitution places solely in the Congress, the president, and the courts, with no two powers concentrated in the same hands.” The Court Moves Right
The Court Moves Right




2. Government school grads have been totally weaned away from the Founder’s view that free citizens elect….vote into office….those who rule them. Hence, the indoctrinated deny that they are the sheep being herded by unelected bureaucrats, diplomats, career government workers who are in charge….the Deep State.

And the Deep State….which clearly exists….is fighting to prove that the great unwashed must be chastised for electing a candidate not of their choosing…..giving us, first Russiagate, and now Ukrainegate.




3. “People capable of feeling shame would not have immediately followed up the Russiagate hoax fiasco with another transparently phony—and in “substance” nearly identical—attempt to remove President Trump from office, overturn the 2016 election, and shower deplorable-Americans with contempt and hatred. But our ruling elites have no shame.”
The Empire Strikes Back

4. Those people….described here…..ran, and testified at the recent Democrat committee hearing, mislabeled as the ‘Impeachment Inquiry,’…

“Beginning in the late 19th century and intensifying in the mid-1960s, elites inside and outside our government have centralized authority in a “fourth branch,” the executive branch’s agencies and bureaucracies. Marini refers to those institutions, the people in them, and their governing philosophy and methods as “the administrative state.” Administrative state rule is fundame

ntally anti-democratic and anti-constitutional, intended to be rule by “expert consensus.” Ibid.



This is the Deep State.

It claims to be the real American government.

The Russian "Hoax":

Here Are All of the Indictments, Guilty Pleas and Convictions From Robert Mueller's Investigation

Ukrainian Crowstrike Hoax:

Trump resurfaces debunked theory Ukraine interfered in 2016 election

The Hillary Email Hoax:

Hillary Clinton cleared of mishandling classified information after 3-year email probe, Trump silent

State Dept. Inquiry Into Clinton Emails Finds No Deliberate Mishandling of Classified Information

Report Criticizes Comey but Finds No Bias in F.B.I. Decision on Clinton

The FBI cleared of spying on the Trump Investigation:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...2f51de-0d48-11ea-97ac-a7ccc8dd1ebc_story.html

The Deep State is a conservative hoax to explain why Republicans keep getting caught committing crimes, and are going to jail, and Democrats are not. Instead of admitting that Republicans are hiring and appointing a lot of criminals, and Democrats do not, Republicans blame some mythical "Deep State" for getting them into trouble, and letting Democrats go free. The Deep State idea was first floated to Donald Trump by Putin.

And you're either dumb enough or corrupt enough to try to sell this lie to the American people. Which is it kitten: Are you stupid or corrupt. Why are YOU deliberately promoting Russian propaganda?

"It only took two years, $32 million, 19 lawyers, 40 FBI agents and other staff, 2,800 subpoenas, and 500 witnesses for a special counsel to “not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities,” according to the Mueller Report."
The Empire Strikes Back

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is The “Deep State” A Fable?

No…it’s a fact.




1.Government school grads will deny the fact 'til their dying day.
There are two reasons why government school grads regularly claim that there is no “Deep State:”

a.They are trying to obviate the argument that there is a cabal in our government that is aimed at reversing the 2016 election.

b.They are ignorant of the Progressive doctrine, from Woodrow Wilson on, that government should be run by unelected bureaucrats who will do a better job than the deplorables.

“Rather than the people being governed by elected representatives, the three branches, “Woodrow Wilson gave the administrative state its rationale: he held that government by nonpartisan, public-spirited, Ivy League–trained experts making rules in such agencies as the Federal Trade Commission or the Interstate Commerce Commission would be infinitely wiser, more efficient, and more responsive to changing conditions and the evolving spirit of the age than the Framers’ government of limited and separated powers, a clockwork relic in the electricity age.

….ever since the New Deal supersized Wilson’s system, administrative agencies have multiplied like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice’s brooms, so that federal regulations now spill out of 240 volumes—and not only overregulated businessmen, infrastructure planners, and a few law professors, but also Supreme Court justices, have begun to wonder by what legitimate authority unelected bureaucrats can make rules like a legislature, carry them out like an executive, and adjudicate and punish infractions of them like a judiciary, usurping powers that the Constitution places solely in the Congress, the president, and the courts, with no two powers concentrated in the same hands.” The Court Moves Right
The Court Moves Right




2. Government school grads have been totally weaned away from the Founder’s view that free citizens elect….vote into office….those who rule them. Hence, the indoctrinated deny that they are the sheep being herded by unelected bureaucrats, diplomats, career government workers who are in charge….the Deep State.

And the Deep State….which clearly exists….is fighting to prove that the great unwashed must be chastised for electing a candidate not of their choosing…..giving us, first Russiagate, and now Ukrainegate.




3. “People capable of feeling shame would not have immediately followed up the Russiagate hoax fiasco with another transparently phony—and in “substance” nearly identical—attempt to remove President Trump from office, overturn the 2016 election, and shower deplorable-Americans with contempt and hatred. But our ruling elites have no shame.”
The Empire Strikes Back

4. Those people….described here…..ran, and testified at the recent Democrat committee hearing, mislabeled as the ‘Impeachment Inquiry,’…

“Beginning in the late 19th century and intensifying in the mid-1960s, elites inside and outside our government have centralized authority in a “fourth branch,” the executive branch’s agencies and bureaucracies. Marini refers to those institutions, the people in them, and their governing philosophy and methods as “the administrative state.” Administrative state rule is fundame

ntally anti-democratic and anti-constitutional, intended to be rule by “expert consensus.” Ibid.



This is the Deep State.

It claims to be the real American government.

The Russian "Hoax":

Here Are All of the Indictments, Guilty Pleas and Convictions From Robert Mueller's Investigation

Ukrainian Crowstrike Hoax:

Trump resurfaces debunked theory Ukraine interfered in 2016 election

The Hillary Email Hoax:

Hillary Clinton cleared of mishandling classified information after 3-year email probe, Trump silent

State Dept. Inquiry Into Clinton Emails Finds No Deliberate Mishandling of Classified Information

Report Criticizes Comey but Finds No Bias in F.B.I. Decision on Clinton

The FBI cleared of spying on the Trump Investigation:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...2f51de-0d48-11ea-97ac-a7ccc8dd1ebc_story.html

The Deep State is a conservative hoax to explain why Republicans keep getting caught committing crimes, and are going to jail, and Democrats are not. Instead of admitting that Republicans are hiring and appointing a lot of criminals, and Democrats do not, Republicans blame some mythical "Deep State" for getting them into trouble, and letting Democrats go free. The Deep State idea was first floated to Donald Trump by Putin.

And you're either dumb enough or corrupt enough to try to sell this lie to the American people. Which is it kitten: Are you stupid or corrupt. Why are YOU deliberately promoting Russian propaganda?

And a review....


1.The Hillary campaign paid for an anti-Trump Russian creation called the dossier: they used law firm Perkins Coie to funnel money to GPS Fusion and Christopher Steele


2. The Hillary campaign screamed that they had been hacked, but refused to allow any government agencies to inspect the supposedly hacked servers

3. The FBI admitted that they knew the dossier was fake from the start, but used it to get a FISA warrant to surveil Trump and associates

4. A secret cabal at the highest levels of the FBI and the DoJ worked with GPS Fusion to undermine the Trump campaign...before and after the election.

5. FBI found classified data on Huma and Anthony Weiner’s laptop….so they gave them a pass

6. The FBI decided no charges against Hillary before they interviewed her…..with no record kept of the interview, and not under oath.

7. Both Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills were found to be lying to the FBI….but given a pass ...and allowed to keep their laptops, and destroy any evidence on same

8. FBI agents Strzok and Page and McCabe talked over a plan to overturn the election….an ‘insurance policy’

9. Loretta Lynch with Comey’s acquiescence, worked to benefit Hillary’s campaign

10. Obama knew about Hillary’s use of unsecured emails, as he conversed with her on same…kept his name out of the reports.

11. BTW…..Mueller, Comey and Rosenstein were all government officials when Hillary received the $145 million bribe for the sale of our uranium.

....Robert Mueller was the FBI Director during the time of the Russian uranium probe, and so was his successor James Comey who took over in 2013 as the FBI was still developing the case. Rod Rosenstein, then-U.S. Attorney....


12. The FBI offered to pay Christopher Steele if he could corroborate the dossier….so he told Yahoo New’s Michael Isikoff about the dossier, had him print the information….then told the FBI that Isikoff independently discovered the “facts”…

Steele admitted, in a British court, that he leaked the material to Yahoo. September 23 Yahoo ran the story.

The FBI took the Isikoff Yahoo story to the FISA court to get the warrant….then fired Steele for sharing it with news outlets.

13. After the FBI fired Steele, he continued to confer with Bruce Ohr and the DoJ…and Rod Rosestein and Sally Yates.

In September of 2016, this was Steele’s statement to Bruce Ohr that he “was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president.”


14. And in another stunning revelation, the memo asserts that Justice Department official Bruce Ohr was used to pass information from the author of the dossier, Christopher Steele, to the DOJ.
Ohr’s wife, Nellie Ohr, worked at the time for Fusion GPS, the opposition research firm research firm that commissioned the dossier. Bruce Ohr, who worked closely with Deputy Attorney Generals Sally Yates and Rod Rosenstein, passed his wife’s opposition research on Trump to the FBI, the memo says.


15. Fired by the FBI as untrustworthy, Steele is maintained by the DoJ as a contact, and all the while, Bruce Ohr’s wife is drawing a salary from the group Hillary hired to produce the dossier….GPS Fusion.

Bruce Ohr’s wife’s connections to Hillary’s paid dossier-producers, GPS Fusion, was never disclosed to the FISA court.

16. Not Hillary Clinton’s Campaign, nor the DNC, nor Christopher Steel, nor Fusion GPS, nor Bruce Ohr’s wife, the roles of none of these participants in the creation of the dossier….not a one was revealed to the FISA court.

17. The memo also says that the FBI’s deputy director, Andrew McCabe, told Congress that a FISA warrant against the campaign adviser, Carter Page, would not have been granted without use of the dossier. That despite the FBI later determining that very little of the Democrat-funded document was corroborated


18. Let’s compare the zealous and very aggressive action by Mueller against Flynn, Manafort, Papadopoulos, and Carter Page with the immunity and passes given above…..

19..The memo notes that the Papadopoulos information “triggered” the FBI investigation into possible Trump campaign collusion.
It says that there is no evidence that Page and Papadopoulos engaged in a conspiracy. “
Spy Warrant Granted Based On Dossier And News Stories Planted By Fusion GPS



…and lots of evidence of associations of Democrats with the Kremlin….

…completely different treatment.

20. And all of the players in on the fix were demanding the Memo not be released….and lied about why it should not be released.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The deep state is a myth. Nobody has ever seen it; much like your belly button

Then you should be able to cite any errors herein...


1.Government school grads will deny the fact 'til their dying day.
There are two reasons why government school grads regularly claim that there is no “Deep State:”

a.They are trying to obviate the argument that there is a cabal in our government that is aimed at reversing the 2016 election.

b.They are ignorant of the Progressive doctrine, from Woodrow Wilson on, that government should be run by unelected bureaucrats who will do a better job than the deplorables.

“Rather than the people being governed by elected representatives, the three branches, “Woodrow Wilson gave the administrative state its rationale: he held that government by nonpartisan, public-spirited, Ivy League–trained experts making rules in such agencies as the Federal Trade Commission or the Interstate Commerce Commission would be infinitely wiser, more efficient, and more responsive to changing conditions and the evolving spirit of the age than the Framers’ government of limited and separated powers, a clockwork relic in the electricity age.

….ever since the New Deal supersized Wilson’s system, administrative agencies have multiplied like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice’s brooms, so that federal regulations now spill out of 240 volumes—and not only overregulated businessmen, infrastructure planners, and a few law professors, but also Supreme Court justices, have begun to wonder by what legitimate authority unelected bureaucrats can make rules like a legislature, carry them out like an executive, and adjudicate and punish infractions of them like a judiciary, usurping powers that the Constitution places solely in the Congress, the president, and the courts, with no two powers concentrated in the same hands.” The Court Moves Right
The Court Moves Right




2. Government school grads have been totally weaned away from the Founder’s view that free citizens elect….vote into office….those who rule them. Hence, the indoctrinated deny that they are the sheep being herded by unelected bureaucrats, diplomats, career government workers who are in charge….the Deep State.

And the Deep State….which clearly exists….is fighting to prove that the great unwashed must be chastised for electing a candidate not of their choosing…..giving us, first Russiagate, and now Ukrainegate.




3. “People capable of feeling shame would not have immediately followed up the Russiagate hoax fiasco with another transparently phony—and in “substance” nearly identical—attempt to remove President Trump from office, overturn the 2016 election, and shower deplorable-Americans with contempt and hatred. But our ruling elites have no shame.”
The Empire Strikes Back

4. Those people….described here…..ran, and testified at the recent Democrat committee hearing, mislabeled as the ‘Impeachment Inquiry,’…

“Beginning in the late 19th century and intensifying in the mid-1960s, elites inside and outside our government have centralized authority in a “fourth branch,” the executive branch’s agencies and bureaucracies. Marini refers to those institutions, the people in them, and their governing philosophy and methods as “the administrative state.” Administrative state rule is fundamentally anti-democratic and anti-constitutional, intended to be rule by “expert consensus.” Ibid.



This is the Deep State.

It claims to be the real American government.

 

[PoliticalChic]

11. Over and over at the Democrat hearing, we heard the opinions of middle-level bureaucrats…as though these pencil-pushers were elected to make foreign policy.


“—the opinion of someone not entitled to make policy. He is surely welcome to state his opinion, when appropriate to do so as part of his official duties and within the chain of command, but that’s it as far as his opinion goes. Actual policy—the question of whether “a strong and independent Ukraine is critical to U.S. national security interests”—is well above his paygrade, properly decided by the president, his cabinet and senior advisors, and members of the Senate who advise and consent on cabinet secretaries and treaties. At least, that’s how the parchment on which the charter of our liberties is written says it’s supposed to work.

The U.S. government policy community’s view is that the election of President Volodymyr Zelensky and the promise of reforms to eliminate corruption will lock in Ukraine’s Western-leaning trajectory, and allow Ukraine to realize its dream of a vibrant democracy and economic prosperity.

What on earth is “[t]he U.S. government policy community”? This is not made clear in the statement, but from the context it would appear to be something like the “deep state” we are elsewhere told does not exist except in the minds of fevered “conspiracy theorists.” Elite conventional wisdom appears to have evolved into: “The deep state is not a thing—and thank God it’s there to save our democracy!” The Empire Strikes Back




“[t]he U.S. government policy community”?

One more title for the Deep State.

It is hard to respond to some unattributed text but some of those testifying were at the Ambassador level, hardly middle-level bureaucrats. Also this president is well known for his sudden and wild swings in policy. Policy often announced in a Tweet. He has the right to set foreign policy but he has a responsibility to inform the State Dep't of what he is doing if he expects them to execute those policies.

"It is hard to respond to some unattributed text but some of those testifying were at the Ambassador level, hardly middle-level bureaucrats."

Which of the 'witnesses' were constitutionally authorized to make foreign policy for America?



Next time.....remember to remove your shoe before you put your foot in your mouth.

 

[Dragonlady]

What is the logic behind immunizing Quid Pro Joe Biden 'cause he is running for President???

Better to charge him with selling influence after he is elected?

Better to charge him with selling influence after some evidence surfaces that a crime was committed.

Here's the evidence....a confession on tape.





The bribe at 02:15

Hey stupid. The Republican House and Senate sent Joe Biden to Europe to fire that prosecutor. They VOTED for the aid, and the anti-corruption conditions attached to it, by the EU, NATO, and the US Government. Now McConnell and Graham pretend they had no part in this.

Once again, you are parrotting Russian propaganda and disinforrmation - all of which is easily proven false, and I have to ask you why?

Why are YOU promoting Russian lies and conspiracy theories? Your fool of a President is caught and all of his lies are being exposed.

Trump's investigation of the investigators is releasing a report that says "no spying". The three Trump Administration investigations into Hillary's emails have completely exonerated her, and now the claims that the FBI was out to get Trump have fallen apart utterly.

Why are you promoting Putin's lies? What's in this for YOU? You claim to be so smart, so you must know these are lies. What the fuck are you doing?

 

[Questioner]

Is The “Deep State” A Fable?

No…it’s a fact.




1.Government school grads will deny the fact 'til their dying day.
There are two reasons why government school grads regularly claim that there is no “Deep State:”

a.They are trying to obviate the argument that there is a cabal in our government that is aimed at reversing the 2016 election.

b.They are ignorant of the Progressive doctrine, from Woodrow Wilson on, that government should be run by unelected bureaucrats who will do a better job than the deplorables.

“Rather than the people being governed by elected representatives, the three branches, “Woodrow Wilson gave the administrative state its rationale: he held that government by nonpartisan, public-spirited, Ivy League–trained experts making rules in such agencies as the Federal Trade Commission or the Interstate Commerce Commission would be infinitely wiser, more efficient, and more responsive to changing conditions and the evolving spirit of the age than the Framers’ government of limited and separated powers, a clockwork relic in the electricity age.

….ever since the New Deal supersized Wilson’s system, administrative agencies have multiplied like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice’s brooms, so that federal regulations now spill out of 240 volumes—and not only overregulated businessmen, infrastructure planners, and a few law professors, but also Supreme Court justices, have begun to wonder by what legitimate authority unelected bureaucrats can make rules like a legislature, carry them out like an executive, and adjudicate and punish infractions of them like a judiciary, usurping powers that the Constitution places solely in the Congress, the president, and the courts, with no two powers concentrated in the same hands.” The Court Moves Right



2. Government school grads have been totally weaned away from the Founder’s view that free citizens elect….vote into office….those who rule them. Hence, the indoctrinated deny that they are the sheep being herded by unelected bureaucrats, diplomats, career government workers who are in charge….the Deep State.

And the Deep State….which clearly exists….is fighting to prove that the great unwashed must be chastised for electing a candidate not of their choosing…..giving us, first Russiagate, and now Ukrainegate.




3. “People capable of feeling shame would not have immediately followed up the Russiagate hoax fiasco with another transparently phony—and in “substance” nearly identical—attempt to remove President Trump from office, overturn the 2016 election, and shower deplorable-Americans with contempt and hatred. But our ruling elites have no shame.”

4. Those people….described here…..ran, and testified at the recent Democrat committee hearing, mislabeled as the ‘Impeachment Inquiry,’…

“Beginning in the late 19th century and intensifying in the mid-1960s, elites inside and outside our government have centralized authority in a “fourth branch,” the executive branch’s agencies and bureaucracies. Marini refers to those institutions, the people in them, and their governing philosophy and methods as “the administrative state.” Administrative state rule is fundamentally anti-democratic and anti-constitutional, intended to be rule by “expert consensus.” Ibid.



This is the Deep State.

It claims to be the real American government.

"Elites" have always been in power; power has a tendency to corrupt.

America was always a "government", its founders were "elites", but it was designed as a system of checks and balances to prevent tyranny.

Your assertions border either on paranoia or anarchy.

Your post indicates that you are unable to understand the post you linked to.


Come back when you successfully finish junior high.

Do you think that a Roman Emperor, such as a Caligula or Nero, was "better" than a corrupt elite in this day and age?

People in power becoming corrupt seems to be universal to the human condition, so I don't buy into anarchist rants.

 

[Zorro!]

DEEP STATE:

the New York Times and the Washington Post have turned themselves into arms of the Resistance to the Trump administration that manifested in the counterintelligence investigation of the Trump campaign undertaken by the FBI. The FISA warrant taken out on Carter Page by the FBI in October 2016 constituted a key element of the investigation. The warrant was based in substantial part on the patently absurd Steele Dossier; that warrant in particular is the subject of the Department of Justice Inspector General report to be released on December 9 by Michael Horowitz.

Leaks emanating from the subjects of the pending report have formed the basis of a few stories offering a preview. This is all preparation of the battlespace by the Comey brigade and its media adjunct. The Timesman Adam Goldman is prominent among the members of this media adjunct. Thus we now have Goldman’s New York Times preview of the IG report in “Russia Inquiry Review Is Expected to Undercut Trump Claim of F.B.I. Spying.” Subhead: “The F.B.I. never tried to place undercover agents or informants inside the Trump campaign, a highly anticipated inspector general’s report is expected to find.”

They think we’re stupid. We shall see whether “they” include Michael Horowitz. Undercover Huber responds concisely to Goldman’s story in the tweets below.

Somebody up there likes to think we're stupid


Undercover Huber@JohnWHuber
The spin that FBI/DOJ didn’t investigate the “Trump campaign” - just the campaign chairman, it’s highest ranking military advisor and two foreign policy advisors - deserves at least some credit for being audacious

Undercover Huber@JohnWHuber
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/27/us/politics/fbi-trump-campaign-inspector-general.html …

Russia Inquiry Review Is Expected to Undercut Trump Claim of F.B.I. Spying
The F.B.I. never tried to place undercover agents or informants inside the Trump campaign, a highly anticipated inspector general’s report is expected to find.

nytimes.com

Undercover Huber@JohnWHuber

Ignoring the spin:

—FBI used informants against Trump campaign advisors (obvs)

—FBI failed to include in FISA apps potentially exculpatory statement by PapaD said to Halper

—Mifud is now a “Russian intermediary”, not agent

—Steele dossier did not match his sources


Undercover Huber@JohnWHuber

Replying to @JohnWHuber
Ignoring the spin:

—FBI used informants against Trump campaign advisors (obvs)

—FBI failed to include in FISA apps potentially exculpatory statement by PapaD said to Halper

—Mifud is now a “Russian intermediary”, not agent

—Steele dossier did not match his sources


Undercover Huber@JohnWHuber

This better be NYT spin & not the nature of the report itself, because nobody asked whether FBI “inserted” spies into the campaign, that doesn’t need to be “debunked” - the question is whether FBI spied on the campaign and had a predicate to do so. If not, that’s not a “mistake”


Undercover Huber@JohnWHuber

Replying to @JohnWHuber
This better be NYT spin & not the nature of the report itself, because nobody asked whether FBI “inserted” spies into the campaign, that doesn’t need to be “debunked” - the question is whether FBI spied on the campaign and had a predicate to do so. If not, that’s not a “mistake”


Undercover Huber@JohnWHuber

And claiming “we opened a case against four Trump campaign advisors but we weren’t investigating the *Trump campaign*” is Comey spin that Horowitz has no business giving credence to. The fact CH was an “enterprise” CI investigation means they had to investigate the campaign...

 

[PoliticalChic]

What is the logic behind immunizing Quid Pro Joe Biden 'cause he is running for President???

Better to charge him with selling influence after he is elected?

Better to charge him with selling influence after some evidence surfaces that a crime was committed.

Here's the evidence....a confession on tape.





The bribe at 02:15

Hey stupid. The Republican House and Senate sent Joe Biden to Europe to fire that prosecutor. They VOTED for the aid, and the anti-corruption conditions attached to it, by the EU, NATO, and the US Government. Now McConnell and Graham pretend they had no part in this.

Once again, you are parrotting Russian propaganda and disinforrmation - all of which is easily proven false, and I have to ask you why?

Why are YOU promoting Russian lies and conspiracy theories? Your fool of a President is caught and all of his lies are being exposed.

Trump's investigation of the investigators is releasing a report that says "no spying". The three Trump Administration investigations into Hillary's emails have completely exonerated her, and now the claims that the FBI was out to get Trump have fallen apart utterly.

Why are you promoting Putin's lies? What's in this for YOU?

Try to avoid the vulgarity that is the hallmark of Liberals and the intellectually challenged....or, is that redundant.

Biden used the American fisc to save his son and the company that bribed the Bidens, from investigation.

Hunter Biden, drug addict, tossed from the military, ignorant of the energy industry, not known to speak the language of the Ukraine, .....but worth $millions to Burisma...


"The bank records show that, on most months when Burisma money flowed, two wire transfers of $83,333.33 each were sent to the Rosemont Seneca–connected account on the same day. The same Rosemont Seneca–linked account typically then would pay Hunter Biden one or more payments ranging from $5,000 to $25,000 each. Prosecutors reviewed internal company documents and wanted to interview Hunter Biden and Archer about why they had received such payments, according to interviews.”
Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived


Hunter timeline: Hunter Biden: The Most Comprehensive Timeline | National Review



.... now....what is the value that Hunter Biden brought to the company?






Before you next post, you should consider asking yourself” Do I really want the word ‘moron’ in my obituary?”

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is The “Deep State” A Fable?

No…it’s a fact.




1.Government school grads will deny the fact 'til their dying day.
There are two reasons why government school grads regularly claim that there is no “Deep State:”

a.They are trying to obviate the argument that there is a cabal in our government that is aimed at reversing the 2016 election.

b.They are ignorant of the Progressive doctrine, from Woodrow Wilson on, that government should be run by unelected bureaucrats who will do a better job than the deplorables.

“Rather than the people being governed by elected representatives, the three branches, “Woodrow Wilson gave the administrative state its rationale: he held that government by nonpartisan, public-spirited, Ivy League–trained experts making rules in such agencies as the Federal Trade Commission or the Interstate Commerce Commission would be infinitely wiser, more efficient, and more responsive to changing conditions and the evolving spirit of the age than the Framers’ government of limited and separated powers, a clockwork relic in the electricity age.

….ever since the New Deal supersized Wilson’s system, administrative agencies have multiplied like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice’s brooms, so that federal regulations now spill out of 240 volumes—and not only overregulated businessmen, infrastructure planners, and a few law professors, but also Supreme Court justices, have begun to wonder by what legitimate authority unelected bureaucrats can make rules like a legislature, carry them out like an executive, and adjudicate and punish infractions of them like a judiciary, usurping powers that the Constitution places solely in the Congress, the president, and the courts, with no two powers concentrated in the same hands.” The Court Moves Right



2. Government school grads have been totally weaned away from the Founder’s view that free citizens elect….vote into office….those who rule them. Hence, the indoctrinated deny that they are the sheep being herded by unelected bureaucrats, diplomats, career government workers who are in charge….the Deep State.

And the Deep State….which clearly exists….is fighting to prove that the great unwashed must be chastised for electing a candidate not of their choosing…..giving us, first Russiagate, and now Ukrainegate.




3. “People capable of feeling shame would not have immediately followed up the Russiagate hoax fiasco with another transparently phony—and in “substance” nearly identical—attempt to remove President Trump from office, overturn the 2016 election, and shower deplorable-Americans with contempt and hatred. But our ruling elites have no shame.”

4. Those people….described here…..ran, and testified at the recent Democrat committee hearing, mislabeled as the ‘Impeachment Inquiry,’…

“Beginning in the late 19th century and intensifying in the mid-1960s, elites inside and outside our government have centralized authority in a “fourth branch,” the executive branch’s agencies and bureaucracies. Marini refers to those institutions, the people in them, and their governing philosophy and methods as “the administrative state.” Administrative state rule is fundamentally anti-democratic and anti-constitutional, intended to be rule by “expert consensus.” Ibid.



This is the Deep State.

It claims to be the real American government.

"Elites" have always been in power; power has a tendency to corrupt.

America was always a "government", its founders were "elites", but it was designed as a system of checks and balances to prevent tyranny.

Your assertions border either on paranoia or anarchy.

Your post indicates that you are unable to understand the post you linked to.


Come back when you successfully finish junior high.

Do you think that a Roman Emperor, such as a Caligula or Nero, was "better" than a corrupt elite in this day and age?

People in power becoming corrupt seems to be universal to the human condition, so I don't buy into anarchist rants.

This is the post that brought you scrabbling over.....did you have something to say about it?

No?

Then get lost.


1.Government school grads will deny the fact 'til their dying day.
There are two reasons why government school grads regularly claim that there is no “Deep State:”

a.They are trying to obviate the argument that there is a cabal in our government that is aimed at reversing the 2016 election.

b.They are ignorant of the Progressive doctrine, from Woodrow Wilson on, that government should be run by unelected bureaucrats who will do a better job than the deplorables.

“Rather than the people being governed by elected representatives, the three branches, “Woodrow Wilson gave the administrative state its rationale: he held that government by nonpartisan, public-spirited, Ivy League–trained experts making rules in such agencies as the Federal Trade Commission or the Interstate Commerce Commission would be infinitely wiser, more efficient, and more responsive to changing conditions and the evolving spirit of the age than the Framers’ government of limited and separated powers, a clockwork relic in the electricity age.

….ever since the New Deal supersized Wilson’s system, administrative agencies have multiplied like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice’s brooms, so that federal regulations now spill out of 240 volumes—and not only overregulated businessmen, infrastructure planners, and a few law professors, but also Supreme Court justices, have begun to wonder by what legitimate authority unelected bureaucrats can make rules like a legislature, carry them out like an executive, and adjudicate and punish infractions of them like a judiciary, usurping powers that the Constitution places solely in the Congress, the president, and the courts, with no two powers concentrated in the same hands.” The Court Moves Right
The Court Moves Right




2. Government school grads have been totally weaned away from the Founder’s view that free citizens elect….vote into office….those who rule them. Hence, the indoctrinated deny that they are the sheep being herded by unelected bureaucrats, diplomats, career government workers who are in charge….the Deep State.

And the Deep State….which clearly exists….is fighting to prove that the great unwashed must be chastised for electing a candidate not of their choosing…..giving us, first Russiagate, and now Ukrainegate.




3. “People capable of feeling shame would not have immediately followed up the Russiagate hoax fiasco with another transparently phony—and in “substance” nearly identical—attempt to remove President Trump from office, overturn the 2016 election, and shower deplorable-Americans with contempt and hatred. But our ruling elites have no shame.”
The Empire Strikes Back

4. Those people….described here…..ran, and testified at the recent Democrat committee hearing, mislabeled as the ‘Impeachment Inquiry,’…

“Beginning in the late 19th century and intensifying in the mid-1960s, elites inside and outside our government have centralized authority in a “fourth branch,” the executive branch’s agencies and bureaucracies. Marini refers to those institutions, the people in them, and their governing philosophy and methods as “the administrative state.” Administrative state rule is fundamentally anti-democratic and anti-constitutional, intended to be rule by “expert consensus.” Ibid.



This is the Deep State.

It claims to be the real American government.

 

[alang1216]

"It is hard to respond to some unattributed text but some of those testifying were at the Ambassador level, hardly middle-level bureaucrats."

Which of the 'witnesses' were constitutionally authorized to make foreign policy for America?

Which of the witnesses MADE foreign policy? Which tried to execute US foreign policy, made in the interests of the country, before it was co-opted by an cadre working for the personal interests of the President?

 

[alang1216]

What is the logic behind immunizing Quid Pro Joe Biden 'cause he is running for President???

Better to charge him with selling influence after he is elected?

Better to charge him with selling influence after some evidence surfaces that a crime was committed.

Here's the evidence....a confession on tape.





The bribe at 02:15

Withholding aid in the interests of the US is rather different from withholding aid for your personal benefit. I've seen no evidence that Biden personally stood to gain anything since there was no investigation into Hunter at the time.

 

[candycorn]

I’m always curious about something….if the deep state is running the government…how do they do it without the President signing off on bills, spending, etc…? Is he part of the “deep state"

At least in 1/2 the Congress, nothing moves without the turtle’s say so. Is he part of the “deep state”

 

[PoliticalChic]

"It is hard to respond to some unattributed text but some of those testifying were at the Ambassador level, hardly middle-level bureaucrats."

Which of the 'witnesses' were constitutionally authorized to make foreign policy for America?

Which of the witnesses MADE foreign policy? Which tried to execute US foreign policy, made in the interests of the country, before it was co-opted by an cadre working for the personal interests of the President?

It is the reason they were called as 'witnesses,' you dunce.

The PRESIDENT didn't follow their instructions!!!!!




. Witnesses called by the Democrat Intelligence Committee showed their anger at Trump for not following their instructions…
Their job is to carry out whatever policy the President determines......either that or resign.



“The experts don’t like to be challenged—especially by non-expert voters or the politicians they elect to limit administrative state power. Here, finally, we come to the “truest cause, though least in speech” of the impeachment freight train: the administrative state is striking back at a mortal threat. As Marini explained in a recent speech,

Many great scandals arise not as a means of exposing corruption, but as a means of attacking political foes while obscuring the political differences that are at issue. This is especially likely to occur in the aftermath of elections that threaten the authority of an established order. In such circumstances, scandal provides a way for defenders of the status quo to undermine the legitimacy of those who have been elected on a platform of challenging the status quo—diluting, as a consequence, the authority of the electorate.”
The Empire Strikes Back



The only real crime being pursued is Trump having defeated the career criminal.