The CRUSADES explained

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Violence in Defense of Islam

40% of Indonesians approve of violence in defense of Islam.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detail...d=20060728.@03

Pew Global: 68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
13% of Indonesian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
12% of Jordanian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
7% of Muslim Israelis say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
http://cnsnews.com/node/53865(*)(Pew Global Attitudes Project September, 2009)

Center for Social Cohesion: One Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...haria-law.html
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf

Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed
Civitas

NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06
WebCite query result

NOP Research: Hardcore Islamists comprise 9% of Britain's Muslim population;
Another 29% would "aggressively defend" Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06
WebCite query result

Pew Research (2010): 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam
51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

ICM Poll: 11% of British Muslims find violence for religious or political ends acceptable.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews...ms Nov04.asp
Daniel Pipes

Terrorism Research Institute Study: 51% of mosques in the U.S. have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence; 30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence; and 19% have no violent texts at all.
http://www.terrorismanalysts.com/pt/...ue-survey/html

Pew Research (2013): 76% of South Asian Muslims and 56% of Egyptians advocate killing anyone who leaves the Islamic religion.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 19% of Muslim Americans believe suicide bombings in defense of Islam are at least partially justified (global average is 28% in countries surveyed).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 39% of Muslims in Malaysia say suicide bombings "justified" in defense of Islam (only 58% say 'never').
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/s...ims-joshua-woo

Die Presse (2013): 1 in 5 Muslims in Austria believe that anyone wanting to leave Islam should be killed.
http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.co...ose-democracy/

Motivaction Survey (2014): 80% of young Dutch Muslims see nothing wrong with Holy War against non-believers.# Most verbalized support for pro-Islamic State fighters.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archive...-research.php/

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Sharia (Islamic Law)

83% of Pakistanis support stoning adulterers
78% of Pakistanis support killing apostates(*)
http://www.realcourage.org/2009/08/p...ostate-deaths/

Center for Social Cohesion: 40% of British Muslim students want Sharia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...haria-law.html
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf

ICM Poll: 40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...law-in-UK.html

GfK NOP: 28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state
Civitas

NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06
WebCite query result

MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01...riah-in-canada
Home Macdonald-Laurier Institute

World Public Opinion: 81% of Egyptians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Pakistanis want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
49% (plurality) of Indonesians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Moroccans want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Feb09_rpt.pdf

World Public Opinion: 64% of Egyptians said it was “very important for the government” to “apply traditional punishments for crimes such as stoning adulterers.”
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Feb09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 77% of Egyptian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
58% of Jordanian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
36% of Indonesian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
82% of Pakistanis favor floggings and amputation
65% of Nigerian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

 

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Violence in Defense of Islam

40% of Indonesians approve of violence in defense of Islam.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detail...d=20060728.@03

Pew Global: 68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
13% of Indonesian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
12% of Jordanian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
7% of Muslim Israelis say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
http://cnsnews.com/node/53865(*)(Pew Global Attitudes Project September, 2009)

Center for Social Cohesion: One Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...haria-law.html
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf

Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed
Civitas

NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06
WebCite query result

NOP Research: Hardcore Islamists comprise 9% of Britain's Muslim population;
Another 29% would "aggressively defend" Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06
WebCite query result

Pew Research (2010): 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam
51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

ICM Poll: 11% of British Muslims find violence for religious or political ends acceptable.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews...ms Nov04.asp
Daniel Pipes

Terrorism Research Institute Study: 51% of mosques in the U.S. have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence; 30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence; and 19% have no violent texts at all.
http://www.terrorismanalysts.com/pt/...ue-survey/html

Pew Research (2013): 76% of South Asian Muslims and 56% of Egyptians advocate killing anyone who leaves the Islamic religion.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 19% of Muslim Americans believe suicide bombings in defense of Islam are at least partially justified (global average is 28% in countries surveyed).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 39% of Muslims in Malaysia say suicide bombings "justified" in defense of Islam (only 58% say 'never').
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/s...ims-joshua-woo

Die Presse (2013): 1 in 5 Muslims in Austria believe that anyone wanting to leave Islam should be killed.
http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.co...ose-democracy/

Motivaction Survey (2014): 80% of young Dutch Muslims see nothing wrong with Holy War against non-believers.# Most verbalized support for pro-Islamic State fighters.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archive...-research.php/

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Sharia (Islamic Law)

83% of Pakistanis support stoning adulterers
78% of Pakistanis support killing apostates(*)
http://www.realcourage.org/2009/08/p...ostate-deaths/

Center for Social Cohesion: 40% of British Muslim students want Sharia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...haria-law.html
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf

ICM Poll: 40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...law-in-UK.html

GfK NOP: 28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state
Civitas

NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06
WebCite query result

MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01...riah-in-canada
Home Macdonald-Laurier Institute

World Public Opinion: 81% of Egyptians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Pakistanis want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
49% (plurality) of Indonesians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Moroccans want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Feb09_rpt.pdf

World Public Opinion: 64% of Egyptians said it was “very important for the government” to “apply traditional punishments for crimes such as stoning adulterers.”
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Feb09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 77% of Egyptian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
58% of Jordanian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
36% of Indonesian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
82% of Pakistanis favor floggings and amputation
65% of Nigerian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

 

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Pew Research (2013): 72% of Indonesians want Sharia to be law of the land
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/...law-pew-forum/

Pew Research (2013): 81% of South Asian Muslims and 57% of Egyptians suport amputating limbs for theft.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): According to an interpretation of this study, approximately 45% of Sharia supporters surveyed disagreed with the idea that Islamic law should apply only to Muslims.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

Economist (Pew 2013): 74% who favor Islamic law in Egypt say it should apply to non-Muslims as well.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graph...Shariadolikeit

WZB Berlin Social Science Center: 65% of Muslims in Europe say Sharia is more important than the law of the country they live in.
http://www.wzb.eu/en/research/migrat...ation-comparat
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/40...fundamentalism

FPO (2014): 43% of Islamic teachers in Austria openly advocate Sharia law over democracy.
http://rt.com/news/208387-austria-is...garten-muslim/
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Honor Killings

Turkish Ministry of Education: 1 in 4 Turks Support Honor Killings
Turkey Poll 8211 Over a Quarter Support Islamic Supremacist 8220 Honor Killings 8221 Responsible for Equality And Liberty R.E.A.L.
http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetai...0502&bolum=100

Civitas: 1 in 3 Muslims in the UK strongly agree that a wife should be forced to obey her husband's bidding
http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SU...20Download.pdf
Civitas

BBC Poll: 1 in 10 British Muslims support killing a family member over "dishonor".
http://www.expressandstar.com/blogs/...on-our-nation/

Middle East Quarterly: 91 percent of honor killings are committed by Muslims worldwide.
Honour Killing Entrenched in Islam

95% of honor killings in the West are perpetrated by Muslim fathers and brothers or their proxies.
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...rightful-name/

A survey of Muslim women in Paris suburbs found that three-quarters of them wear their masks out of fear - including fear of violence.
Canada gets it right with veil rules North Bay Nugget

1 in 5 young British Muslims agree that 'honor' violence is acceptable.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-reveals.html

Pew Research (2013): Large majorities of Muslims favor Sharia.# Among those who do, stoning women for adultery is favored by 89% in Pakistanis, 85% in Afghanistan, 81% in Egypt, 67% in Jordan, ~50% in 'moderate' Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand, 58% in Iraq, 44% in Tunisia, 29% in Turkey, and 26% in Russia.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): Honor killing the woman for sex outside of marriage is favored over honor killing the man in almost every Islamic country.# Over half of Muslims surveyed believed that honor killings over sex were at least partially justified.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

(2013) Jordanian teens support honor killing.
http://www.france24.com/en/20130620-...ustified-study

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Assimilation

Muslims have highest claimed disability rates in the UK (24% of men, 21% of women)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...haria-law.html

2011: 16% of UK prisoners in 2010 are Muslim (Muslims comprise about 3% of the total population)
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukp...1319500798601A

Pakistani Muslims in the UK are three times more likely to be unemployed than Hindus. Indian Muslims are twice as likely to be unemployed as Indian Hindus.
Why Obama Gave Away the Middle East FrontPage Magazine

Policy Exchange: 1 in 4 Muslims in the UK have never heard of the Holocaust;(*)
Only 34% of British Muslims believe the Holocaust ever happened.
http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SU...20Download.pdf
Civitas

Policy Exchange: 51% of British Muslims believe a woman cannot marry a non-Muslim
Only 51% believe a Muslim woman may marry without a guardian's consent
Civitas

Policy Exchange: Up to 52% of British Muslims believe a Muslim man is entitled to up to four wives
Civitas

Policy Exchange: 61% of British Muslims want homosexuality punished
Civitas

NOP Research: 62% of British Muslims do not believe in the protection of free speech;
Only 3% adopt a "consistently pro-freedom of speech line"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06
WebCite query result

ICM Poll: 58% of British Muslims believe insulting Islam should result in criminal prosecution
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews...ms Nov04.asp
Daniel Pipes

Pew Global (2006): Only 7% of British Muslims think of themselves as British first (81% say 'Muslim' rather than 'Briton')
http://pewglobal.org/reports/pdf/254.pdf

Policy Exchange (2006): 31% Muslims in Britain identify more with Muslims in other countries than with non-Muslim Brits.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/ima...images/246.pdf

Die Welt (2012): 46% of Muslims in Germany hope there will eventually be more Muslims than Christians in Germany.
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschla...-Mehrheit.html

Ipsos MORI: Muslims are 3 times as likely as Christians to believe that their religion is the only way.
http://www.christiantoday.com/articl...inds/28257.htm

Pew Research (2011): Muslim-Americans four times more likely to say that women should not work outside the home.
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/...social-values/

Pew Research (2007): 26% of Muslim-Americans want to be distinct (43% support assimilation)
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/mu...ns.pdf#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 20% of Muslim-Americans want to be distinct (56% support assimilation)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/...for-extremism/

Pew Research (2011): 49% of Muslim-Americans say they are "Muslim first" (26% American first)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/...for-extremism/

Pew Research (2011): 21% of Muslim-Americans say there is a fair to great amount of support for Islamic extremism in their community.
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/...oreign-policy/

ICM Poll: 11% of British Muslims find violence for political ends acceptable
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews...ms Nov04.asp
Daniel Pipes

Wenzel Strategies (2012): 58% of Muslim-Americans believe criticism of Islam or Muhammad is not protected free speech under the First Amendment.(*)
45% believe mockers of Islam should face criminal charges (38% said they should not).
12% of Muslim-Americans believe blaspheming Islam should be punishable by death.
43% of Muslim-Americans believe people of other faiths have no right to evangelize Muslims.
32% of Muslims in America believe that Sharia should be the supreme law of the land.
http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/201...of-expression/
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2012...s-believe.html

Pew Research (2013): "At least half' of Muslims surveyed believed polygamy is morally acceptable.
"Muslims in most countries surveyed say that a wife should always obey her husband." (including 93% in Indonesia and 65% in Turkey).

 

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Only 32% of Muslims in Indonesia say a woman should have the right to divorce her husband (22% in Egypt, 26% in Pakistan and 60% in Russia).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

Die Presse (2013): 1 in 3 Muslims in Austria say it is not possible to be a European and a Muslim.# 22% oppose democracy
http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.co...ose-democracy/

WZB Berlin Social Science Center: 45% of Muslims in Europe say Jews cannot be trusted.
http://www.wzb.eu/en/research/migrat...ation-comparat
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/40...fundamentalism

 

[Picaro]

These are modern stats.

Is anybody really clueless enough to claim Islam was more 'moderate' in the past centuries? Anybody clueless enough to keep claiming 'only 1% of Muslims' are violent or opposed to gangs like Hamas et al?

Gangs of extortionists, mass murderers, and thugs like ISIS are the norm for Islam, not the exception.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, imagine the irony, that you, a professed atheist spend your every waking hour defending the Cult of Islam and denigrating Christians, even as the only thing between you and a violent death... on nothing but your profession of atheism is the thing you hate most.

actually, guy, there's little or no chance I'd ever have to worry about a Muslim. I don't go into their part of the world looking for trouble.

Now, there is a MOsque down the block from me. They've never given me any trouble. They have an iron fence around it, not to keep them in, but to keep dumb-ass bubba rednecks like you out.

 

[Picaro]

I didn't have time to go through the entire thread, so I apologize if someobdy has already posted this essay on the myths surrounding the Crusades.


The Real History of the Crusades

Christians in the eleventh century were not paranoid fanatics. Muslims really were gunning for them. While Muslims can be peaceful, Islam was born in war and grew the same way. From the time of Mohammed, the means of Muslim expansion was always the sword. Muslim thought divides the world into two spheres, the Abode of Islam and the Abode of War. Christianity — and for that matter any other non-Muslim religion — has no abode. Christians and Jews can be tolerated within a Muslim state under Muslim rule. But, in traditional Islam, Christian and Jewish states must be destroyed and their lands conquered. When Mohammed was waging war against Mecca in the seventh century, Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth. As the faith of the Roman Empire, it spanned the entire Mediterranean, including the Middle East, where it was born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target for the earliest caliphs, and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for the next thousand years.

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With enormous energy, the warriors of Islam struck out against the Christians shortly after Mohammed's death. They were extremely successful. Palestine, Syria, and Egypt — once the most heavily Christian areas in the world — quickly succumbed. By the eighth century, Muslim armies had conquered all of Christian North Africa and Spain. In the eleventh century, the Seljuk Turks conquered Asia Minor (modern Turkey), which had been Christian since the time of St. Paul. The old Roman Empire, known to modern historians as the Byzantine Empire, was reduced to little more than Greece. In desperation, the emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East.

That is what gave birth to the Crusades. They were not the brainchild of an ambitious pope or rapacious knights but a response to more than four centuries of conquests in which Muslims had already captured two-thirds of the old Christian world. At some point, Christianity as a faith and a culture had to defend itself or be subsumed by Islam. The Crusades were that defense.

.. and so on.

Source of the article, and info on the author:

Acknowledgement
Thomas F. Madden. "The Real History of the Crusades." Crisis 20, no. 4 (April 2002).

The Author

Thomas F. Madden is associate professor and chair of the Department of History at Saint Louis University in St. Louis, Missouri. He is the author of Enrico Dandolo and the Rise of Venice, A Concise History of the Crusades, The Crusades: The Essential Readings, and coauthor of The Fourth Crusade.

 

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The Crusades happened almost a thousand years ago. Any person much less a freaking president who uses the Crusades to justify Islamic jihad in the 21st century and the murder of 3,000 Americans on a pretty September day in 2001 not to mention the beheadings of Americans and and murder and enslavement of children at the hands of monsters is either a fool or a depraved anti-American.

 

[JoeB131]

I didn't have time to go through the entire thread, so I apologize if someobdy has already posted this essay on the myths surrounding the Crusades.

Yeah, a Catholic Website.

The Crusades weren't that bad.

And the Inquisition was no big thing.

And those Altar Boys? THey were just asking for it!

 

[JoeB131]

The Crusades happened almost a thousand years ago. Any person much less a freaking president who uses the Crusades to justify Islamic jihad in the 21st century and the murder of 3,000 Americans on a pretty September day in 2001 not to mention the beheadings of Americans and and murder and enslavement of children at the hands of monsters is either a fool or a depraved anti-American.

Which he didn't do. Where did Obama justify anything?

He just pointed out, Christians can be just as mean, stupid and violent as Muslims.

 

[Picaro]

I didn't have time to go through the entire thread, so I apologize if someobdy has already posted this essay on the myths surrounding the Crusades.

Yeah, a Catholic Website.

The Crusades weren't that bad.

And the Inquisition was no big thing.

And those Altar Boys? THey were just asking for it!

so go ahead and point out innaccuracies. And your'e right the Inquisition wasn't any big thing in historical context, and certainly nowhere near equivalient to Islamic slaughters, or even pagan slaughters in Europe before the rise of Christianity. Merely crying about the source is just another way of dodging the issues and avoiding the content of the essay; a tacit admission one can't really refute the premises.

 

[Picaro]

The Crusades happened almost a thousand years ago. Any person much less a freaking president who uses the Crusades to justify Islamic jihad in the 21st century and the murder of 3,000 Americans on a pretty September day in 2001 not to mention the beheadings of Americans and and murder and enslavement of children at the hands of monsters is either a fool or a depraved anti-American.

Which he didn't do. Where did Obama justify anything?

He just pointed out, Christians can be just as mean, stupid and violent as Muslims.

He was falsely trying to conflate Christianity in the medieval eras with being the same as current Islamic atrocities, a ridiculous idiocy. He doesn't know squat about history, and made himself look like a moron. The fact is da Evul Xians didn't run around killing millions, despite the ridiculous hyperbole still being spewed by liars and 'new atheists', they didn't run aorind burning millions of witches, and they didn't just rampage through Islamo-Land for no reason, i.e. all the false gibberish so trendy with pathological Xian haters, and Christianity is in no way even remotely comparalbe to Islam. In other words, it's a load of dishonest crap put out by idiots with agendas they can't support rationally.

 

[JoeB131]

He was falsely trying to conflate Christianity in the medieval eras with being the same as current Islamic atrocities, a ridiculous idiocy. He doesn't know squat about history, and made himself look like a moron. The fact is da Evul Xians didn't run around killing millions, despite the ridiculous hyperbole still being spewed by liars and 'new atheists', they didn't run aorind burning millions of witches, and they didn't just rampage through Islamo-Land for no reason, i.e. all the false gibberish so trendy with pathological Xian haters, and Christianity is in no way even remotely comparalbe to Islam. In other words, it's a load of dishonest crap put out by idiots with agendas they can't support rationally.

Actually, it's estimated that the Crusades killed from 1 to 3 million people.

We could also throw in their the 30 Years War (1618-1648), which killed perhaps up to 11 million people, or the French Wars of Religion (1562-1598), which killed up to 4 million.

So if you want to go strictly by "Religious Wars", the Christians got three of the top three.

Religious war - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Christians also used the bible to rationalize slavery, the conquest of the Americas, the colonization of Australia, which caused a lot more death and misery than anything the Muslims are doing mostly to each other today.

 

[Picaro]

He was falsely trying to conflate Christianity in the medieval eras with being the same as current Islamic atrocities, a ridiculous idiocy. He doesn't know squat about history, and made himself look like a moron. The fact is da Evul Xians didn't run around killing millions, despite the ridiculous hyperbole still being spewed by liars and 'new atheists', they didn't run aorind burning millions of witches, and they didn't just rampage through Islamo-Land for no reason, i.e. all the false gibberish so trendy with pathological Xian haters, and Christianity is in no way even remotely comparalbe to Islam. In other words, it's a load of dishonest crap put out by idiots with agendas they can't support rationally.

Actually, it's estimated that the Crusades killed from 1 to 3 million people.

We could also throw in their the 30 Years War (1618-1648), which killed perhaps up to 11 million people, or the French Wars of Religion (1562-1598), which killed up to 4 million.

So if you want to go strictly by "Religious Wars", the Christians got three of the top three.

Religious war - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Christians also used the bible to rationalize slavery, the conquest of the Americas, the colonization of Australia, which caused a lot more death and misery than anything the Muslims are doing mostly to each other today.

Hey, why not claim 50 million in the Crusades? It has about as much credibility. Claim 100 million for the 30 Years War, a geo-political struggle with the Hapsburgs against 'everybody else' for the control of Europe, not a 'religious war', ditto for the French wars. There is nothing in Christian theology to inspre them, unlike Islam which is entirely about warring on non-Muslims and imperialism, so still a big 'Fail' in claiming some moral equivelance nad similar body counts between Christianity and Islam.

Slavery has been the historical norm for most of the planet for thousands of years, so that isn't an argument, and in any case the theology merely acknowledges it exists and doesn't have any command to go forth and enslave in the name of Jesus, while Islam does have such commands.

Comparing some guy abusing biblical histories doesn't compare to a theology that actively promotes enslaving and murdering, so the PC fad fails there, too.

 

[JoeB131]

Hey, why not claim 50 million in the Crusades? It has about as much credibility. Claim 100 million for the 30 Years War, a geo-political struggle with the Hapsburgs against 'everybody else' for the control of Europe, not a 'religious war', ditto for the French wars. There is nothing in Christian theology to inspre them, unlike Islam which is entirely about warring on non-Muslims and imperialism, so still a big 'Fail' in claiming some moral equivelance nad similar body counts between Christianity and Islam.

I cited what HISTORIANS consider to be the accurate numbers for those conflicts. But I do find it interesting that when Muslims kill, according to you, it's about their "religion", but when Christians kill, it's "defensive" or "about control". This is the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. you should look it up.

The 30 years war and French Religious wars were SPECIFICALLY about Religion. They were Catholics against Protestants.

Slavery has been the historical norm for most of the planet for thousands of years, so that isn't an argument, and in any case the theology merely acknowledges it exists and doesn't have any command to go forth and enslave in the name of Jesus, while Islam does have such commands.

well, no, After the Roman Period, slavery went out of style in Europe, but they brought it back to colonize the Americas. But since you claim that the Bible is the inspired word of God, shouldn't have God spent SOME time saying, "You know, one human being owning another is just plain wrong". The bible has whole chapters on what animals you can and can't eat, but apparently couldn't bring itself to say, "You know, one human being owning another as property is not a good thing."

The BIble DOES have specific instructions on Enslaving people. Here, let me help you out.

Leviticus 25:44-46
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever.
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Comparing some guy abusing biblical histories doesn't compare to a theology that actively promotes enslaving and murdering, so the PC fad fails there, too.

Except both the Koran and Bible have verses endorsing killing and slavery.

What changed was not that these "Holy Books" changed, but we did as a people. God wasn't changing, so we did.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

I didn't have time to go through the entire thread, so I apologize if someobdy has already posted this essay on the myths surrounding the Crusades.

Yeah, a Catholic Website.

The Crusades weren't that bad.

And the Inquisition was no big thing.

And those Altar Boys? THey were just asking for it!

The Crusades were not a big thing, in terms of savage mass-murder of the innocent, which is to say 'what Islam was designed to do', but in fairness... that's because The Crusades were Catholics (Christians) defending Christians from Islam.

Fighting Evil is what Christianity does, so the Crusades are not a dark period for Christianity, The Crusades were a VERY BRIGHT point, where Christians did the right thing. Just as the Christian Invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan in the Christian Global War on Terror, was and remains the right thing.

And once the Brown Clown is kicked to the curb, Christians will return to defeat Islam, once and for all.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

He was falsely trying to conflate Christianity in the medieval eras with being the same as current Islamic atrocities, a ridiculous idiocy. He doesn't know squat about history, and made himself look like a moron. The fact is da Evul Xians didn't run around killing millions, despite the ridiculous hyperbole still being spewed by liars and 'new atheists', they didn't run aorind burning millions of witches, and they didn't just rampage through Islamo-Land for no reason, i.e. all the false gibberish so trendy with pathological Xian haters, and Christianity is in no way even remotely comparalbe to Islam. In other words, it's a load of dishonest crap put out by idiots with agendas they can't support rationally.

Actually, it's estimated that the Crusades killed from 1 to 3 million people.

We could also throw in their the 30 Years War (1618-1648), which killed perhaps up to 11 million people, or the French Wars of Religion (1562-1598), which killed up to 4 million.

So if you want to go strictly by "Religious Wars", the Christians got three of the top three.

Religious war - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Christians also used the bible to rationalize slavery, the conquest of the Americas, the colonization of Australia, which caused a lot more death and misery than anything the Muslims are doing mostly to each other today.

Christians do not use the bible to rationalize Slavery, DUMBASS... Christians ENDED SLAVERY, at least in the US. Of course Islam still practices Slavery to this day.

Now... STOPPING ISLAMIC SLAVERY OF CHRISTIANS, is one of evils that The Crusades was designed to stop. And while they didn't stop it, they sure as hell slowed it down.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

I cited what HISTORIANS consider to be the accurate numbers for those conflicts. But I do find it interesting that when Muslims kill, according to you, it's about their "religion", but when Christians kill, it's "defensive" or "about control". This is the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. you should look it up.

You're an imbecile... there's nothing in kinship with that fallacy in Pic's Argument.

But how cool is it that you used Straw reasoning in your rationalization which asserted such.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

He was falsely trying to conflate Christianity in the medieval eras with being the same as current Islamic atrocities, a ridiculous idiocy. He doesn't know squat about history, and made himself look like a moron. The fact is da Evul Xians didn't run around killing millions, despite the ridiculous hyperbole still being spewed by liars and 'new atheists', they didn't run aorind burning millions of witches, and they didn't just rampage through Islamo-Land for no reason, i.e. all the false gibberish so trendy with pathological Xian haters, and Christianity is in no way even remotely comparalbe to Islam. In other words, it's a load of dishonest crap put out by idiots with agendas they can't support rationally.

Actually, it's estimated that the Crusades killed from 1 to 3 million people.

We could also throw in their the 30 Years War (1618-1648), which killed perhaps up to 11 million people, or the French Wars of Religion (1562-1598), which killed up to 4 million.

So if you want to go strictly by "Religious Wars", the Christians got three of the top three.

Religious war - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Christians also used the bible to rationalize slavery, the conquest of the Americas, the colonization of Australia, which caused a lot more death and misery than anything the Muslims are doing mostly to each other today.

The Ideological Left... Humanist: Murdered 150 Million people between 1945 and 1975.

And THAT was in PEACETIME. With no accounting of the tens of Millions more they murdered in the two world wars that were fought due to their idiocy.

Now, given that you're born among the intellectually less fortunate... to give you an idea of what that big number means... That's just under HALF the population of the United States, or 6 times more people than are in the 10 largest cities in the US, with the smallest of those being San Jose, CA.

Which means that YOUR RELIGION: HUMANISM Killed more people in 30 years than any other human endeavor in human history. Making YOU and your cult, the most lethal organism on earth, second only to DISEASE.

 

[JoeB131]

The Crusades were not a big thing, in terms of savage mass-murder of the innocent, which is to say 'what Islam was designed to do', but in fairness... that's because The Crusades were Catholics (Christians) defending Christians from Islam.

So they were defending Christians from Muslims who weren't attacking by attacking some other Muslims who had nothing to do with that... Um, right.

Fighting Evil is what Christianity does, so the Crusades are not a dark period for Christianity, The Crusades were a VERY BRIGHT point, where Christians did the right thing. Just as the Christian Invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan in the Christian Global War on Terror, was and remains the right thing.

Inquistions, slavery, genocide, Crusades, Religious Wars... no, the Christians are doing a very bad job of "fighting evil". Maybe they need to start smaller like, 'don't bone Altar Boys up the Ass."

And once the Brown Clown is kicked to the curb, Christians will return to defeat Islam, once and for all.

So you're going down the recruiter's office tomorrow, right?

Christians do not use the bible to rationalize Slavery, DUMBASS... Christians ENDED SLAVERY, at least in the US. Of course Islam still practices Slavery to this day.

Except it did nothing of the Sort. The reason why you HAVE a Southern Baptist convention is because the NOrthern Baptists came out against slavery.

Furthermore, you need to look up a fellow named Bartolome De La Casas. He was the one who advocated to the Emperor Charles V to use Black Slaves from Africa to exploit Spain's new Empire in the Americas.

The Ideological Left... Humanist: Murdered 150 Million people between 1945 and 1975.

And THAT was in PEACETIME. With no accounting of the tens of Millions more they murdered in the two world wars that were fought due to their idiocy.

Now, given that you're born among the intellectually less fortunate... to give you an idea of what that big number means... That's just under HALF the population of the United States, or 6 times more people than are in the 10 largest cities in the US, with the smallest of those being San Jose, CA.

Which means that YOUR RELIGION: HUMANISM Killed more people in 30 years than any other human endeavor in human history. Making YOU and your cult, the most lethal organism on earth, second only to DISEASE.

Guy, this is a completely horseshit number. Besides the fact that there WERE Wars in that period (the Chinese Civil War, Korea, Vietnam) that claimed a lot of these lives, the numbers don't get anywhere near that, nor can you lay all those on the Communists. For instance, 3 million people died in the Vietnam War. We killed most of them.