The Mind of Franklin Roosevelt

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Chronologically this post belongs in 'History,' but in reality it is the hermeneutics for understanding every Liberal/Progressive/Democrat since Roosevelt.
He changed the relationship between the citizen and the government, and caused the Constitution to be held in disrepute.

And he removed any thought that morality and ethics emanate from the seats of governance.




1. . FDR came into office March 4th of 1933. On November 16, 1933, President Roosevelt rushed to embrace....recognize...the USSR. If this act, based on FDR's additional pro-Soviet endeavors, was rational....then these folks must have been irrational: "Four Presidents and their six Secretaries of State for over a decade and a half held to this resolve," i.e., refusal to recognize the Soviet government. That was written by Herbert Hoover, one of those four Presidents. He wrote it in his "Freedom Betrayed: Herbert Hoover's Secret History of the Second World War and Its Aftermath"by George H. Nash, published posthumously, obviously, in 2011, pg 24-29.



3. Here is the question: was Roosevelt aware of the homicidal pathology of communism, and if so, shouldn't he have considered same as a reason to put off recognition until he persuaded a change in those policies?


a. He knew.
Eight months earlier, journalist Gareth Jones had exposed Stalin's Terror Famine:
"In the train a Communist denied to me that there was a famine. I flung a crust of bread which I had been eating from my own supply into a spittoon. A peasant fellow-passenger fished it out and ravenously ate it."
Gareth Jones journalist - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


b. Malcolm Muggeridge "was the first writer to reveal the true nature of Stalin s regime when in 1933 he exposed the terror famine in the Ukraine. "
Amazon.com Time and Eternity The Uncollected Writings of Malcolm Muggeridge 9781570759055 Malcolm Muggeridge Nicholas Flynn Books

c. So FDR knew of the Terror Famine...designed and perpetrated by 'Uncle Joe,'...yet he enveloped Joe Stalin in " the cloak of his popularity..." Time Magazine, December 17, 1934.

OK....so Roosevelt knew the nature of the other side when he offered the partnership....entry into the accepted world community.
There can be no doubt that Roosevelt knew.




4. Well, one might say that Roosevelt accepted the Soviet word that they would reform, change....

Roosevelt signed the recognition agreement: Litvinov "returned to the Soviet embassy.....all smiles....and said 'Well, it's all in the bag; we have it.'"
On September 23, 1939, Dr. D. H. Dombrowsky testified before the Dies committee.
The Winona Republican-Herald from Winona Minnesota Page 12


a. The Russians laughed about their alleged promises of future behavior. This is the conversation that Litvinov had with staff at his embassy after the 'agreement' was signed:
"Well, it's all in the bag. They wanted us to recognize the debts we owed them and I promised we were going to negotiate. But they did not know we were going to negotiate until doomsday. The next one was a corker; they wanted us to promise freedom of religion in the Soviet Union, and I promised that, too. I was very much prompted to offer that I would personally collect all the Bibles and ship them over."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p.33.



Did America elect and re-elect a man with no moral compass....one perfectly sanguine with slaughter, genocide, alienation of the rights of people, with totalitarian governance???

You betcha'!


And notice the straight line to the current Liberal/Progressive/Democrat.....
 

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Yes, FDR recognized the USSR under pressure to open export trade with them..It was also a place where the Koch family made it's millions,,,So the Koch brothers and their past families loved Uncle Joe....
 

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Did America elect and re-elect a man with no moral compass....one perfectly sanguine with slaughter, genocide, alienation of the rights of people, with totalitarian governance???

The US didn't mind slaughtering, starving and driving the Native Americans from their land in the US and the potential US...and the Mexicans....
 
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Yes, FDR recognized the USSR under pressure to open export trade with them..It was also a place where the Koch family made it's millions,,,So the Koch brothers and their past families loved Uncle Joe....
Did America elect and re-elect a man with no moral compass....one perfectly sanguine with slaughter, genocide, alienation of the rights of people, with totalitarian governance???

The US didn't mind slaughtering, starving and driving the Native Americans from their land in the US and the potential US...and the Mexicans....
Yes, we elected a man who aided and abetted the slaughter of tens of million and the enslavement of an entire continent
 

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Next to Lincoln, our greatest president

Without question, our greatest modern president who made us into a superpower
 

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Yes, FDR recognized the USSR under pressure to open export trade with them..It was also a place where the Koch family made it's millions,,,So the Koch brothers and their past families loved Uncle Joe....
Did America elect and re-elect a man with no moral compass....one perfectly sanguine with slaughter, genocide, alienation of the rights of people, with totalitarian governance???

The US didn't mind slaughtering, starving and driving the Native Americans from their land in the US and the potential US...and the Mexicans....
Yes, we elected a man who aided and abetted the slaughter of tens of million and the enslavement of an entire continent
No he did not.....are you saying that with this analogy that Nixon is responsible or aided the atrocities of Mao because he normalized relations with communist China?
 

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FDR was the right man for the right time

Can you imagine where we would have been if Republicans had been allowed to lead us out of the depression or during WWII?
 

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FDR was the right man for the right time

Can you imagine where we would have been if Republicans had been allowed to lead us out of the depression or during WWII?
They tried, and failed, the best they could do is man handle veterans looking for help....which in turn kept the GOP out of power for decades....
 
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Did America elect and re-elect a man with no moral compass....one perfectly sanguine with slaughter, genocide, alienation of the rights of people, with totalitarian governance???

The US didn't mind slaughtering, starving and driving the Native Americans from their land in the US and the potential US...and the Mexicans....

False on several levels, not the least of which is your attempt to shield Roosevelt via obfuscation.

Stick to the facts.
 

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I visited Hyde Park last month and what struck me the most about FDR was that he seemed to be the only one in that era who "got it"

He understood the depression was about people and not corporations
He understood the panic of the time and what he needed to do to calm it
He understood the threat of the Nazis and Japan

It was funny reading the anti-FDR rhetoric Republicans were using......exact same nonsense they use against Obama
 

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Arguabley correct; He changed the relationship between the citizen and the government,

Demonstrably false: and caused the Constitution to be held in disrepute.
 

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I am fulfilling PC's suggestion. This should be in the History Forum.
 
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Next to Lincoln, our greatest president

Without question, our greatest modern president who made us into a superpower

Wait.....for context, aren't you the liar who hides his politics behind a false avi title...and about whom this was written:

"There are several incorrigible liars who insist that the Founders were of the same mentality as those we call 'liberals.'
Nothing could be further from the truth.
To see how this pertains to the title of the thread, "Your Choice: Liberalism or the Constitution," notice that those known as Liberals today,actually the group called Socialists until communist John Dewey had them steal the name 'Liberal,' work for the very opposite:collectivism, socialist economic dominance, and unlimited, overreaching government."

That's you....isn't it.

No wonder you're about shielding Roosevelt from due contumely.
 

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Without question, FDR re shaped our country

He understood the role government had to play in an economic recovery. It's primary role needed to be to relieve the suffering of the people, not look after the needs of the wealthy
 
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I visited Hyde Park last month and what struck me the most about FDR was that he seemed to be the only one in that era who "got it"

He understood the depression was about people and not corporations
He understood the panic of the time and what he needed to do to calm it
He understood the threat of the Nazis and Japan

It was funny reading the anti-FDR rhetoric Republicans were using......exact same nonsense they use against Obama

Everything you just wrote is a lie.....the same as your usual posts.

When I visited Hyde Park, I noted the Henry Wallace Library adjacent and attached to Roosevelt's.
Ironic, huh?

Roosevelt attached to the communist Henry Wallace in life and afterwards as well.
 
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Arguabley correct; He changed the relationship between the citizen and the government,

Demonstrably false: and caused the Constitution to be held in disrepute.


I can demonstrate that you are both a liar and a moron.

Watch:

" In July 5, 1935, in a letter to Representative Samuel B. Hill of Washington, the President manifested his contempt for the Constitution. Hill was chairman of the subcommittee studying the Guffey-Vinson bill to regulate the coal industry: the purpose of the legislation was to re-establish, for the coal industry, the NRA code system which the Supreme Court had unanimously declared unconstitutional.

Roosevelt wrote: "I hope your committee will not permit doubts as to constitutionality, however reasonable, to block the legislation."
Franklin D. Roosevelt Letter to Representative Samuel B. Hill on H.R. 8479.


This was the same Roosevelt who had sworn an oath on his 300 year old family Bible, to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Chesly Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 65.



I just buried you again, huh?
 

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The worst, most dangerous SOB to ever soil the office.
 

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FDR was a political genius who was willing to break the mold of existing thought on the role of government

He turned us into a modern democracy
 
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Back to the 'mind of Franklin Roosevelt.'
How about this as the explanation?


5. It is a well known fact that Soviet communism, aimed at world domination, involved constant fomenting of unrest in every nation...including America. So, Roosevelt got a promise that that would not occur, in return for recognition.
That would be a good thing....wouldn't it?


a. The agreement that Litvinov signed promised " To respect scrupulously the indisputable right of the United States to order its own life within its own jurisdiction in its own way and to refrain from interfering in any manner in the internal affairs of the United States, its territories or possessions....in particular, from any act tending to incite or encourage armed intervention, or any agitation or propaganda having as an aim, the violation of the territorial integrity of the United States, its territories or possessions, or the bringing about by force of a change in the political or social order of the whole or any part of the United States, its territories or possessions....

Not to permit the formation or residence on its territory of any organization or group--and to prevent the activity on its territory of any organization or group, or of representatives or officials of any organization or group--which makes claim to be the Government of,... prevent the activity on its territory of any organization or group, or of representatives or officials of any organization or group--which has as an aim the overthrow or the preparation for the overthrow of, or the bringing about by force of a change in, the political or social order of the whole or any part of the United States,...etc." Roosevelt-Litvinov




Get it?
They promised no espionage, no Communist Party of the USA (CPUSA)....and, in that case....what did we have to lose?


b. But.....
"FDR had knowledge of two glaring examples of communist conspiracy specifically directed against the United States." Hoover, Op. Cit.
So, did Roosevelt know the agreement wasn't worth the paper it was written on?
You betcha'!


c. "You see, Roosevelt's New Deal was riddled with communists....paid agents of Stalin. At a dinner party, a number administration officials spilled the beans, spoke openly about the plans to cause a revolution so they can rebuild America in the Soviet's image. "Wirt claimed he had "discovered" evidence of a plot within FDR's administration to launch a Bolshevik takeover of the United States..... garnering all kind of media attention, and even testifying before Congress about his evidence of a "concrete plan" for the overthrow of the U.S. government crafted by members of FDR's "Brain Trusters."

"Roosevelt is only the Kerensky of this revolution," he quoted them. (Kerensky was the provisional leader of Russia just before the 1917 Bolshevik revolution.) The hoodwinked president would be permitted to stay in office, they said, "until we are ready to supplant him with a Stalin."
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_08/019708.php



And Roosevelt knew all of this.
 

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