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The measures being taken here are being taken all over the planet right now.
This isn't a plot against Trump. If it is it is the most dastardly plot ever, beyond even a James Bond villain level plot.
Seriously, c'mon. We need level-headedness right now more than quite literally ever in the past couple of decades.
I don't like a lot of this either, and do find myself thinking the cure may be worse than the disease, but I do not think the CDC and medical community would be complicit in some plot to destroy the world economy to 'get Trump'.
The WHO and CDC are the only mechanisms we have in place to formulate a plan and deal with this. They're it. In the same way the left has to accept that Trump is the guy in the chair right now, like it or not, these organizations are the ones the world will look to to plot a course forward here.
Do you think the FBI used information from the DNC and Hilary clinton...which they knew was false.....to get illegal warrants to spy on Trump and his people? Do you think they used foreign assets to approach Carter Page, and FBI agents to entrap General Flynn? That they used the Steele Dossier fake information with James Comey to brief Trump so they could then give the press a reason to report on the fake information and as Comey stated, to get a special prosecutor appointed?
To think that the anti-Trumpers wouldn't put out extreme guidelines to spook Wall Street, scare businesses and to give Democrat party governors the pretext to shut down schools and major sectors of their economies is just silly......
I think the anti-Trumpers would do a lot, quite literally whatever they could, to get him out of office. We're not in disagreement there. A lot of what we've seen since the guy won is despicable, including the obvious attempt in the early days of this for the left to use this as a political tool. No doubt in my mind and I've said so emphatically on this board.
But, I do not think anti-Trumpers are shutting down Italy, shut down China etc., shut down Europe.
In the context of a pandemic, I think this got out of control, we have to tamp it down to get past the acceleration phase and start reducing the rate of infection, and there are few options other than what we're seeing in terms keeping people away from one another than can achieve that end.
Trump took similar steps on his own. Stopped travel from China, stopped travel from Europe etc. These things, if viewed from an economic perspective, could be seen as causing damage. That's to try to stop new cases coming in. On a local level we're trying to stop new cases and slow this as well.
I do not think these steps are political in nature, but are the only admittedly lousy options we have at this point.
The measures being taken here are being taken all over the planet right now.
This isn't a plot against Trump. If it is it is the most dastardly plot ever, beyond even a James Bond villain level plot.
Seriously, c'mon. We need level-headedness right now more than quite literally ever in the past couple of decades.
I don't like a lot of this either, and do find myself thinking the cure may be worse than the disease, but I do not think the CDC and medical community would be complicit in some plot to destroy the world economy to 'get Trump'.
The WHO and CDC are the only mechanisms we have in place to formulate a plan and deal with this. They're it. In the same way the left has to accept that Trump is the guy in the chair right now, like it or not, these organizations are the ones the world will look to to plot a course forward here.
Do you think the FBI used information from the DNC and Hilary clinton...which they knew was false.....to get illegal warrants to spy on Trump and his people? Do you think they used foreign assets to approach Carter Page, and FBI agents to entrap General Flynn? That they used the Steele Dossier fake information with James Comey to brief Trump so they could then give the press a reason to report on the fake information and as Comey stated, to get a special prosecutor appointed?
To think that the anti-Trumpers wouldn't put out extreme guidelines to spook Wall Street, scare businesses and to give Democrat party governors the pretext to shut down schools and major sectors of their economies is just silly......
I think the anti-Trumpers would do a lot, quite literally whatever they could, to get him out of office. We're not in disagreement there. A lot of what we've seen since the guy won is despicable, including the obvious attempt in the early days of this for the left to use this as a political tool. No doubt in my mind and I've said so emphatically on this board.
But, I do not think anti-Trumpers are shutting down Italy, shut down China etc., shut down Europe.
In the context of a pandemic, I think this got out of control, we have to tamp it down to get past the acceleration phase and start reducing the rate of infection, and there are few options other than what we're seeing in terms keeping people away from one another than can achieve that end.
Trump took similar steps on his own. Stopped travel from China, stopped travel from Europe etc. These things, if viewed from an economic perspective, could be seen as causing damage. That's to try to stop new cases coming in. On a local level we're trying to stop new cases and slow this as well.
I do not think these steps are political in nature, but are the only admittedly lousy options we have at this point.
And the FBI simply used the Steele Dossier to get FISA warrants because they were doing their job? And Comey briefed the President on the Steele Dossier to be helpful...not to be able to tell James Brennan he could tell the press they could now run with the pee on the bed story....and initiate a special prosecutor?
The measures being taken here are being taken all over the planet right now.
This isn't a plot against Trump. If it is it is the most dastardly plot ever, beyond even a James Bond villain level plot.
Seriously, c'mon. We need level-headedness right now more than quite literally ever in the past couple of decades.
I don't like a lot of this either, and do find myself thinking the cure may be worse than the disease, but I do not think the CDC and medical community would be complicit in some plot to destroy the world economy to 'get Trump'.
The WHO and CDC are the only mechanisms we have in place to formulate a plan and deal with this. They're it. In the same way the left has to accept that Trump is the guy in the chair right now, like it or not, these organizations are the ones the world will look to to plot a course forward here.
Do you think the FBI used information from the DNC and Hilary clinton...which they knew was false.....to get illegal warrants to spy on Trump and his people? Do you think they used foreign assets to approach Carter Page, and FBI agents to entrap General Flynn? That they used the Steele Dossier fake information with James Comey to brief Trump so they could then give the press a reason to report on the fake information and as Comey stated, to get a special prosecutor appointed?
To think that the anti-Trumpers wouldn't put out extreme guidelines to spook Wall Street, scare businesses and to give Democrat party governors the pretext to shut down schools and major sectors of their economies is just silly......
I think the anti-Trumpers would do a lot, quite literally whatever they could, to get him out of office. We're not in disagreement there. A lot of what we've seen since the guy won is despicable, including the obvious attempt in the early days of this for the left to use this as a political tool. No doubt in my mind and I've said so emphatically on this board.
But, I do not think anti-Trumpers are shutting down Italy, shut down China etc., shut down Europe.
In the context of a pandemic, I think this got out of control, we have to tamp it down to get past the acceleration phase and start reducing the rate of infection, and there are few options other than what we're seeing in terms keeping people away from one another than can achieve that end.
Trump took similar steps on his own. Stopped travel from China, stopped travel from Europe etc. These things, if viewed from an economic perspective, could be seen as causing damage. That's to try to stop new cases coming in. On a local level we're trying to stop new cases and slow this as well.
I do not think these steps are political in nature, but are the only admittedly lousy options we have at this point.
I did not say they were shutting down those countries.........
I stated they are using their guidelines here to shut down the American economy out of all proportion to the threat of this virus...as oldstyle is pointing out, we didn't do any of this for the Swine Flu.......or any other outbreak........until Trump was in office.....
It's amazing to me that you on the left will actually even TRY to claim that Obama's response to the Swine flu was in any way superior to what Trump has done! Do ANY of you remember the mass hysteria happening THEN that is happening now? Do you remember the shutting down of airlines, our cruise industry, our bars and restaurants? Do you remember panic buying of goods? You don't because NONE of that ever happened! Why? Because this wasn't treated AT ALL the same way be the main stream media!
There was no mass hysteria. Because there was a competent individual in the White House who took action immediately. I'd like to note, I'm being as fair as I can to you with these sources.
Trump’s H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic Spin
Your source states that it took six months for a vaccine to be developed for the Swine flu? Interesting since another source is saying that the first person was given a vaccine for THIS virus and that took place yesterday! Has it been six months since the start of the Corona virus, Jack? How long did it take before a State of Emergency Order was issued by the Obama Administration? How long did it take before the Trump Administration did so? Once again...Trump was FAR out ahead of what Barry did back then! Did Obama ever impose travel restrictions? What DID Barack Obama do while 17,000 Americans died from the Swine flu? Yet you have the nerve to come here and critique Trump when less than fifty people have died from this virus?It's amazing to me that you on the left will actually even TRY to claim that Obama's response to the Swine flu was in any way superior to what Trump has done! Do ANY of you remember the mass hysteria happening THEN that is happening now? Do you remember the shutting down of airlines, our cruise industry, our bars and restaurants? Do you remember panic buying of goods? You don't because NONE of that ever happened! Why? Because this wasn't treated AT ALL the same way be the main stream media!
There was no mass hysteria. Because there was a competent individual in the White House who took action immediately. I'd like to note, I'm being as fair as I can to you with these sources.
Trump’s H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic Spin
It's amazing to me that you on the left will actually even TRY to claim that Obama's response to the Swine flu was in any way superior to what Trump has done! Do ANY of you remember the mass hysteria happening THEN that is happening now? Do you remember the shutting down of airlines, our cruise industry, our bars and restaurants? Do you remember panic buying of goods? You don't because NONE of that ever happened! Why? Because this wasn't treated AT ALL the same way be the main stream media!
There was no mass hysteria. Because there was a competent individual in the White House who took action immediately. I'd like to note, I'm being as fair as I can to you with these sources.
Trump’s H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic Spin
You keep saying that, Jack...yet you can't come up with a single thing that Obama did for the Swine flu that Trump hasn't done for this virus! You're a partisan hack. Either back up your claims or tuck your tail and run!
It's amazing to me that you on the left will actually even TRY to claim that Obama's response to the Swine flu was in any way superior to what Trump has done! Do ANY of you remember the mass hysteria happening THEN that is happening now? Do you remember the shutting down of airlines, our cruise industry, our bars and restaurants? Do you remember panic buying of goods? You don't because NONE of that ever happened! Why? Because this wasn't treated AT ALL the same way be the main stream media!
There was no mass hysteria. Because there was a competent individual in the White House who took action immediately. I'd like to note, I'm being as fair as I can to you with these sources.
Trump’s H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic Spin
You keep saying that, Jack...yet you can't come up with a single thing that Obama did for the Swine flu that Trump hasn't done for this virus! You're a partisan hack. Either back up your claims or tuck your tail and run!
All given to you in both articles I lined from sources that are very friendly to conservatives. Repeating the same baloney over and over again doesn't change facts.
Funny how near-sighted our Trump fanatics here are. Did the Chinese shut down their economy to get rid of XiJinping? How about the Europeans?
The fact is the attempt to slow the spread of this virus worked in China (at least so far) and hopefully "social distancing" will work here and in Europe. Maybe the warm weather will help too, as we all should hope. But nobody knows for sure. Our health system is a patchwork, and our central government is unable and unwilling to follow up and treat or quarantine every infected person and take other draconian measures as in China.
The panic here may get much worse than in China, where the population has a different culture and historical experiences and more readily accept sacrifices and the need to be on a war footing. The economic damage here will be immense, especially because our financial system may collapse like an inflated balloon. But we should do better than China given we are per capita far wealthier, have a more developed health system, are not so crowded together in cities and small apartments, and have had forewarning. We shall see.
If this gets out of control, of course it will not be like the plague, and it will mostly be our older folks who will die. Some of those old folks have the big money and power in society, however, and even Trump is now afraid of letting this thing spread in an unrestrained fashion, overwhelm our hospitals, and kill hundreds of thousands or maybe even a million oldsters. That is probably what some cynical young people advocate, however, though they do not usually say it outright.
It's amazing to me that you on the left will actually even TRY to claim that Obama's response to the Swine flu was in any way superior to what Trump has done! Do ANY of you remember the mass hysteria happening THEN that is happening now? Do you remember the shutting down of airlines, our cruise industry, our bars and restaurants? Do you remember panic buying of goods? You don't because NONE of that ever happened! Why? Because this wasn't treated AT ALL the same way be the main stream media!
There was no mass hysteria. Because there was a competent individual in the White House who took action immediately. I'd like to note, I'm being as fair as I can to you with these sources.
Trump’s H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic Spin
You keep saying that, Jack...yet you can't come up with a single thing that Obama did for the Swine flu that Trump hasn't done for this virus! You're a partisan hack. Either back up your claims or tuck your tail and run!
All given to you in both articles I lined from sources that are very friendly to conservatives. Repeating the same baloney over and over again doesn't change facts.
Oh, you're one of THOSE guys, Jack! The kind that cites a source that you declare backs up your claims yet when someone asks you WHERE it actually does so...you declare that you can't be bothered to show where that was? Just what we need...another partisan blowhard...
Democrat mayors can’t wait to cause chaos
We know that the leadership of the FBI under obama, working with the leadership, john brennan, of the CIA, and members of the State Department, worked with the DNC and hilary to create fake information about Trump to initiate illegal surveillance against him and his people ....... this was later used to initiate a years long fake investigation by robert mueller which was then followed up by a fake impeachment to remove him from office.....
How do we know that these same elements...now in the Centers For Disease Control, aren't using the virus as a way to attack Trump.....the Coup Part 2?
We know that if you get the virus, you get a fever, a cough, and after a few days you get better....and yes...if you are a senior citizen with underlying conditions, you are at more severe risk...but that is true of the seasonal flu....
How do we know that the measures they are calling for, which are shutting down major sectors of the economy, aren't motivated more by getting Trump, than by realistically dealing with the virus?
The economy was one of Trump's strongest points....and now, through the measures pushed by the CDC, major sectors of the economy are being shut down, and the measures are now being used by democrat governors to shut down state level economies.....
Is this part of the Coup 2?
We know that the leadership of the FBI under obama, working with the leadership, john brennan, of the CIA, and members of the State Department, worked with the DNC and hilary to create fake information about Trump to initiate illegal surveillance against him and his people ....... this was later used to initiate a years long fake investigation by robert mueller which was then followed up by a fake impeachment to remove him from office.....
How do we know that these same elements...now in the Centers For Disease Control, aren't using the virus as a way to attack Trump.....the Coup Part 2?
We know that if you get the virus, you get a fever, a cough, and after a few days you get better....and yes...if you are a senior citizen with underlying conditions, you are at more severe risk...but that is true of the seasonal flu....
How do we know that the measures they are calling for, which are shutting down major sectors of the economy, aren't motivated more by getting Trump, than by realistically dealing with the virus?
The economy was one of Trump's strongest points....and now, through the measures pushed by the CDC, major sectors of the economy are being shut down, and the measures are now being used by democrat governors to shut down state level economies.....
Is this part of the Coup 2?
It's amazing to me that you on the left will actually even TRY to claim that Obama's response to the Swine flu was in any way superior to what Trump has done! Do ANY of you remember the mass hysteria happening THEN that is happening now? Do you remember the shutting down of airlines, our cruise industry, our bars and restaurants? Do you remember panic buying of goods? You don't because NONE of that ever happened! Why? Because this wasn't treated AT ALL the same way be the main stream media!
There was no mass hysteria. Because there was a competent individual in the White House who took action immediately. I'd like to note, I'm being as fair as I can to you with these sources.
Trump’s H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic Spin
You keep saying that, Jack...yet you can't come up with a single thing that Obama did for the Swine flu that Trump hasn't done for this virus! You're a partisan hack. Either back up your claims or tuck your tail and run!
All given to you in both articles I lined from sources that are very friendly to conservatives. Repeating the same baloney over and over again doesn't change facts.
Oh, you're one of THOSE guys, Jack! The kind that cites a source that you declare backs up your claims yet when someone asks you WHERE it actually does so...you declare that you can't be bothered to show where that was? Just what we need...another partisan blowhard...
Ok. Let me try a different tack. I promise this my last swing at the plate. He's your guy. I get it. He can do no wrong. And again, this is actually a fair article. I will concede points 1 and 2, even though Trump brushed off the seriousness of the virus for several weeks. Pay close attention to point #3 of what Obama did right and contrast that with what Trump didn't do, until forced to on Friday. THAT is why we are behind the curve and that's why Trump gets the blame.
Trump said Obama team botched H1N1 swine flu response, but is it true?
Funny how near-sighted our Trump fanatics here are. Did the Chinese shut down their economy to get rid of XiJinping? How about the Europeans?
The fact is the attempt to slow the spread of this virus worked in China (at least so far) and hopefully "social distancing" will work here and in Europe. Maybe the warm weather will help too, as we all should hope. But nobody knows for sure. Our health system is a patchwork, and our central government is unable and unwilling to follow up and treat or quarantine every infected person and take other draconian measures as in China.
The panic here may get much worse than in China, where the population has a different culture and historical experiences and more readily accept sacrifices and the need to be on a war footing. The economic damage here will be immense, especially because our financial system may collapse like an inflated balloon. But we should do better than China given we are per capita far wealthier, have a more developed health system, are not so crowded together in cities and small apartments, and have had forewarning. We shall see.
If this gets out of control, of course it will not be like the plague, and it will mostly be our older folks who will die. Some of those old folks have the big money and power in society, however, and even Trump is now afraid of letting this thing spread in an unrestrained fashion, overwhelm our hospitals, and kill hundreds of thousands or maybe even a million oldsters. That is probably what some cynical young people advocate, however, though they do not usually say it outright.
With all due respect, Tom...would you like to explain to me why THIS virus demands the destruction of our economy when the Swine Flu, the Equine Flu and the Bird Flu did not? What the hell are we doing? People need to take the same precautions for this flu outbreak as they do for the countless OTHER viruses that we deal with every single year! If you're elderly or in bad health...then you need to protect yourself. It you're neither of those things then get on with your life!
