The Constitution does not work for Communism/Fascism/Socialism/Marxism/Progressivism/Liberalism...

[EdwardBaiamonte]

We see what Republican capitalism does out here. It squeezes the poor and middle class to give to the rich. Trickle down does not work.

too stupid and liberal for words. The top 1% pay 40% of taxes!!! is that squeezing the poor or the rich?? Slow?????

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

It was to flee the oppression from England

100% wrong retarded and liberal. They came here to flee the oppression of big liberal govt in England and insure we never had a big liberal govt here!!


Thomas Jefferson:
My reading of history convinces me that bad government results from too much government.

 

[IResist]

It was to flee the oppression from England

100% wrong retarded and liberal. They came here to flee the oppression of big liberal govt in England and insure we never had a big liberal govt here!!


Thomas Jefferson:
My reading of history convinces me that bad government results from too much government.

They were oppressed from the monarchy of England and the also came here to escape the rule of the church of England. For their time, the Founders were liberal.

 

[regent]

When doing the history of the United States posters should first read of the period that Europe was going through: The Age of Enlightenment or the Age of Reason. It was that age that changed governments, changed political ideologies and gave us the Declaration and the Constitution. In a way that Age is still going on and America continues to grow more liberal with each decade.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Hitler wasnt a liberal.

We cannot return to the days of the Founding Fathers. We can respect them and honor them, but we have to move forward and evolve.

In terms of American philosophy and the classical liberalism upon which the country is founded, to what should we evolve that would remain within those founding parameters, which are mandated by the national agreement, and not slip into the nonsensical European-based social justice-permeated systems on a mere whim of current times?

America has more freedoms and rights now than in the 1790s.

Such as? Please answer without conflating 19th Century cultural mores with those of the 21st Century.

Just curious.

Well, in the days of the Founders, there was slavery, women and blacks didn't have suffrage rights. There were no gay rights. Only rich white property owners could vote and clearly not everyone was equal back then.

I asked you to not conflate 19th Century mores with 21st Century thinking.

Try again.

 

[ScienceRocks]

This is a really funny post for anyone that has taken a real political science class as I have(more then one of course). lol, lol, lol

It works well for our mixed economy of public and private sector that works world wide in every first world nation on earth...Even Hover invested in this country and built many of our dams and he was the most conservative president up since the present day...Theodor Roosevelt started the national park, applied anti-trust and broke up big oil but is still somehow loved by big ass kissing conservatives even on free republic... lol, lol, lol

Funny how every president from Lincoln until the modern day has done my entire list: Infrastructure, science, r&d and education! Any sane nation would of course....It is a fantasy to have a fucking free for all.

History shows that deregulation and uncontrollable capitalism a big mistake. Of course, you want no government and so you argue this lie so you can have your free for all and fuck fest that will just end once again in another depression.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Hitler wasnt a liberal.

We cannot return to the days of the Founding Fathers. We can respect them and honor them, but we have to move forward and evolve.

In terms of American philosophy and the classical liberalism upon which the country is founded, to what should we evolve that would remain within those founding parameters, which are mandated by the national agreement, and not slip into the nonsensical European-based social justice-permeated systems on a mere whim of current times?

America has more freedoms and rights now than in the 1790s.

Such as? Please answer without conflating 19th Century cultural mores with those of the 21st Century.

Just curious.

Well, in the days of the Founders, there was slavery, women and blacks didn't have suffrage rights. There were no gay rights. Only rich white property owners could vote and clearly not everyone was equal back then.

I asked you to not conflate 19th Century mores with 21st Century thinking.

Try again.

Why should we go back to the 18th and 19th century? The world has changed so we should just move on and adopt to what's better.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

In terms of American philosophy and the classical liberalism upon which the country is founded, to what should we evolve that would remain within those founding parameters, which are mandated by the national agreement, and not slip into the nonsensical European-based social justice-permeated systems on a mere whim of current times?

America has more freedoms and rights now than in the 1790s.

Such as? Please answer without conflating 19th Century cultural mores with those of the 21st Century.

Just curious.

Well, in the days of the Founders, there was slavery, women and blacks didn't have suffrage rights. There were no gay rights. Only rich white property owners could vote and clearly not everyone was equal back then.

I asked you to not conflate 19th Century mores with 21st Century thinking.

Try again.

Why should we go back to the 18th and 19th century? The world has changed so we should just move on and adopt to what's better.

No one is suggesting we return to the past. What people are suggesting is full enforcement of constitutional law as it stands today.

"Better" is in the eye of the beholder. There is a legal process to affect change. There are twenty-seven ratified amendments. The others were dumped and are no longer pending.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. For their time, the Founders were liberal.

if by liberal you mean for tiny tiny central govt you are correct!! This is the opposite of what modern liberals want so they are in effect treasonous. This is why they spied for Stalin and elected Obama/Sanders, who honeymooned in USSR!!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

When doing the history of the United States posters should first read of the period that Europe was going through: The Age of Enlightenment or the Age of Reason. It was that age that changed governments, changed political ideologies and gave us the Declaration and the Constitution. In a way that Age is still going on and America continues to grow more liberal with each decade.

Welcome to your first history lesson:

they history of the West- from Plato, Aristotle and Jesus forward- was about the growth of individual liberty at the expense of the criminal liberal state which was increasingly seen as the source of evil on earth, especially by our Enlightenment Founders.

Modern liberals are the greatest enemy in history as they cleverly try to sell yet the 176th deadly rationale for central govt power and try to liberally read our Constitution as a living communist document.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Why should we go back to the 18th and 19th century? The world has changed so we should just move on and adopt to what's better.

so you want to adopt Hitler Stallin Mao Pol Pot Castro or stick with our Founders 18th Century idea wherein liberal govt was weak and could not slaughter millions in war or cripple more millions with their vote buying welfare programs???

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

This is a really funny post for anyone that has taken a real political science class as I have(more then one of course). lol, lol, lol
.

so as a liberal fool you are bragging about having submitted to university brainwashing? Did they present the Jeffersonian Republican position to you and throw rocks at modern conservatives who tried to speak??

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

.Even Hover invested in this country and built many of our dams and he was the most conservative president up since the present day...

he did do those things and many more activist things like help cause and prolong the Great Depression so would not be considered conservative by intelligent people. Notice that a conservative always ends up running a kindergarten for liberals??

a liberals education begins when he is done with his brainwashing political science courses.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

History shows that deregulation and uncontrollable capitalism a big mistake..

??? China just deregulated from liberal socialism, which killed, slowly, 60 million through starvation, to Republican capitalism and instantly eliminated 40% of all the poverty on earth. Poverty is bad not good. Do you understand??

who wants uncontrollable capitalism?? What on earth is that?? capitalism is naturally controlled as corporations are virtually enslaved or controlled by employees and customers. Either the corporation provides the best jobs and products or is driven into bankruptcy. Do you understand? If you doubt for even a split second try starting a corporation with slightly worse jobs and products and see how well you do.

 

[Dan Stubbs]

Funny. I remember it was the right who warned in the 70s and 80s that Liberals would be rounding up conservatives and sending them to reeducation camps.

Well, they did manage to get the kids trapped in those public schools. Partial success.

 

[ScienceRocks]

The right is pushing fascism against people that want to live their own lives.

They're the unconstutional ones that wish to limit you in life and fucking ban a religion from coming into this country. Hell, Trump doesn't even respect the first amendments protections of a free press.

You rightest have a lot of nerve.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The right is pushing fascism against people that want to live their own lives.
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fascism is big govt while the right signs the pledge to reduce taxes and to reduce government. Do you understand?

 

[SavannahMann]

The right is pushing fascism against people that want to live their own lives.
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fascism is big govt while the right signs the pledge to reduce taxes and to reduce government. Do you understand?

It would be interesting to see those pledges actually acted on.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The right is pushing fascism against people that want to live their own lives.

They're the unconstutional ones that wish to limit you in life and fucking ban a religion from coming into this country.

not a religion but the Muslim religion because about 30% believe in jihad against America. we don't want to be like Europe where they don't have enough police to follow around all those who are about to bomb them. Now do you understand.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

It would be interesting to see those pledges actually acted on.

the second voters want it it will happen.