The conservative think tank AEI says the tariff formula makes no sense -- AND a math error made the numbers even worse.

[Correll]

It hurt those who didn’t improve themselves. Thinking things will always stay the same is unrealistic

So, you knew that it did hurt the working class. That bit where you pretended that you didn't know it, that was just a pretense, to see if you could sell the last line of defense.

So, moving forward, we know that yo are willing to be disceptive, if it means scoring a "point" in the discussion.


"didn't improve themselves"?


That's just a rationalization for not having an answer or being actively hostile to them.


IN reality, it is not nearly as easy as you make it out to "improve" oneself.

You get training, that's fine. Now you are competing against younger people with the same level of training. Say you get the job anyways. That is one less job for the younger people you out competed.


The end result is a demographic, a socio-economic class that has interests, and those interests have NOT been represented in policy for a long time.

AND, your position is one of hostility to the idea of even discussing their/our interests.

you are hostile to the point that your knee jerk response to hearing our our problems it to blame us for them.

That is kind of shitty of you.

 

[Correll]

Do you think wealthy corporatists have ever cared about the working class? Party affiliation aside. It's so blatantl hey dont.

As a group? NO.

So... we are in agreement.


So, which side are you on, the "wealthy corporatists" who are benefitting from the status quo, or the workers who want change so that their interests are served better?

 

[initforme]

As a group? NO.

So... we are in agreement.


So, which side are you on, the "wealthy corporatists" who are benefitting from the status quo, or the workers who want change so that their interests are served better?

Thr workers of course. Which is why I believe it's time for unions to re emerge. When the jobs come back the employers need to know this.

 

[Correll]

Thr workers of course. Which is why I believe it's time for unions to re emerge. When the jobs come back the employers need to know this.

Well, my experience with unions have been mixed. But I am glad to hear you are on the side of the workers.


And yes, all of this looks to be setting up a situation where the workers will have more leverage. And if the unions can get their act together, I see no reason why this could not be a time of growth for them.


You ever have leverage over a boss in negotiations? I have. It was fucking awesome. I was merciless. By the end I was demanding ever larger weekly bonuses to stay.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The motto of the MAGA sheeple.

The billionaires in the market are now publicly coming out against this.

 

[Correll]

The billionaires in the market are now publicly coming out against this.

They are welcome to voice their concerns.


Did they mention any reason I should be concerned about their concerns?

 

[Zincwarrior]

They are welcome to voice their concerns.


Did they mention any reason I should be concerned about their concerns?

Because they run the country.

 

[Correll]

Because they run the country.

Really? Yet the policy being implemented is NOT what they want.

Seems MAGA runs the country now. The peasents have stormed the castle.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Really? Yet the policy being implemented is NOT what they want.

Seems MAGA runs the country now. The peasents have stormed the castle.


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They have? Trump has the wealthiest cabinet in history. Trump, Musk, Lutnick are all billionaires.

 

[Correll]

They have? Trump has the wealthiest cabinet in history. Trump, Musk, Lutnick are all billionaires.

Yet, the policy is what WE, the peasants want, not the "Billionaries" you cite.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Yet, the policy is what WE, the peasants want, not the "Billionaries" you cite.


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Keep living in that world of yours.

 

[Correll]

Keep living in that world of yours.

You made the point that "the billionaires" are unhappy.


I'm not disagreeing with you. Indeed, I am agreeing with you. STRONGLY.


"the billionaires" as a group, are unhappy withe the stock market taking a hit, due to MAGA policies.


Policy is being crafted AND IMPLEMENTED, to serve the interests of MAGA, of the working class, not "the billionaires".


So, yeah.


YOu are siding with the billionaires, who normally have been "running the country" for quite some time.


I am with MAGA, who wants change.


So.... did you want to say something about this?


What is your point in mentioning what "The billionaires" want?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Policy is being crafted AND IMPLEMENTED, to serve the interests of MAGA, of the working class, not "the billionaires".

Again, you're statement is only coherent if the middle class doesn't have savings or jobs related to trade.

 

[The Duke]

‘The formula for the tariffs, originally credited to the Council of Economic Advisers and published by the Office of the United States Trade Representative, does not make economic sense. The trade deficit with a given country is not determined only by tariffs and non-tariff trade barriers, but also by international capital flows, supply chains, comparative advantage, geography, etc.

But even if one were to take the Trump Administration’s tariff formula seriously, it makes an error that inflates the tariffs assumed to be levied by foreign countries four-fold. As a result, the “reciprocal” tariffs imposed by President Trump are highly inflated as well.’

President Trump’s Tariff Formula Makes No Economic Sense. It’s Also Based on an Error.

President Trump on Wednesday announced tariffs on practically every foreign country (and some non-countries), ranging from a 10 percent minimum all the way up to 50 percent. He described the tariffs as reciprocal; however, they are nothing of the sort.

www.aei.org

A failed Trump ‘administration’ of incompetence and blind stupidity.

Further proof Trump is unfit to be president.

You're a good parrot for your masters.

 

[Correll]

Again, you're statement is only coherent if the middle class doesn't have savings or jobs related to trade.

nope. My point stands.

That YOU disagree with the policy, or our PRECEIVED interests, is a different discussion. One I would be happy to have.

BUT, it is worht noting, first that the BILLIONAIRES, who you say run the country,


are NOT running the country.


And that you are on their side and are aruging for their resuming control of the country.


YOu are PRO-BILLIONAIRE, and I am MAGA. That is the political divide.

 

[Zincwarrior]

nope. My point stands.

That YOU disagree with the policy, or our PRECEIVED interests, is a different discussion. One I would be happy to have.

BUT, it is worht noting, first that the BILLIONAIRES, who you say run the country,


are NOT running the country.


And that you are on their side and are aruging for their resuming control of the country.


YOu are PRO-BILLIONAIRE, and I am MAGA. That is the political divide.

The cabinet are billionaires. Who is in charge of Doge?

 

[Correll]

The cabinet are billionaires. Who is in charge of Doge?

The cabinet are implementing the policies that MAGA wants.


You are playing with a trope that lefties like, ie that one can only be represented by those that are of the same... group as you.


But, you don't really believe that. That is why Biden was able to say shit like, "you aint black". You are able to graps that BIDEN could represent blacks.


So, you are just SHIT TALKING to avoid admitting how... shocking of a development MAGA is.



The "billonaires" have lost control. MAGA is writting and implementing policy.


Your .... classism, is a you thing. MAGA has no problem with Trump or Musk being our voices. They are doing a great job.

 

[TimFitz]

Don't care on any level.

You will.

 

[Correll]

You will.

Why do you claim that? Explain your reasoning.

 

[TimFitz]

Macro economic numbers hid the cost to the working class.

This has been discussed quite a bit.

AT this point, you are either playing dumb or really showing how little you pay attention.



I think you are just shit talking. It is part of your routine. Throw up a weak defense of the status quo , one that you know is false, and if it sticks then that is all you needed, if not, I am sure you have another line of defense ready to roll.

But the reality is that the left doesn't give a fuck about the US working class. If anything, they see us as "problematic".

We don’t see your ilk putting up any kind of intelligent defense of Trump’s trade wars.

You will pay more for everything. Your wages won’t go up.