The Clausewitz Failure

[Phoenall]

First, that is a matter to be litigate --- or brought under the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States where they "settlement of their international disputes by negotiation, inquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements or other peaceful means of their choice:"

Of course none of that will happen as long as the criminal class trumps international law with power politics.

That is why there is BDS to change those dynamics.

DEFLECTION AGAIN BECAUSE YOU DONT HAVE ANY ANSWERS TO THE TRUTH. THIS IS WHY BDS IS ILLEGAL IN MOST CIVILISED NATIONS.

If International law says that the arab muslims are wrong then that is the will of the majority of the worlds population, and your paltry islamonazi voice that defends and supports their criminal activity is drowned out in the silence

 

[Phoenall]

First, that is a matter to be litigate --- or brought under the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States where they "settlement of their international disputes by negotiation, inquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements or other peaceful means of their choice:"

Of course none of that will happen as long as the criminal class trumps international law with power politics.

That is why there is BDS to change those dynamics.

The Treaty Parties are the OttomanEmpire/Turkish Republic AND the Allied Powers. The Palestinians, the Arabs, or indigenous population was NOT bequeathed anything.

Yes they were. It was specified that the people would have citizenship in their respective states.

As the citizens of defined territories they would have the standard list of rights: self determination, independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity as affirmed by subsequent UN resolutions.

And there was no state of palestine was there. The area known as palestine had no defined borders. And none of those concepts were in force at the time meaning that they can not be applied retroactively. You might get away with that on the other boards you infest, but you wont on here.



By the way if you read the terms of the surrender treaties they do say The Ottomans and their allies, and the mufti along with the palestinians were counted in that group

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I've heard this as well. This is a very false notion.

Yes they were. It was specified that the people would have citizenship in their respective states.

As the citizens of defined territories they would have the standard list of rights: self determination, independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity as affirmed by subsequent UN resolutions.

(COMMENT)

Prior to the post conflict period of 1967, the government of the territory to which the Mandate for Palestine applied was the British Mandatory. And all these Arab Palestinians became citizens of the Territory under the 1925 Palestine Citizenship law.

History of UK Administration:
22. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.
​

The opportunities, even in the early stage of the Mandate period, to participate inside the political process responsible for the development of self-governing institutions where rejected by the Arab Palestinians on numerous occasions. Over and over against, the Arab Palestinian was asked to participate; and each time the Arab Palestinian declined.

The Development of the Country, 1929-1936:
57. The need for economic development in Palestine was emphasised, in 1930, by the Permanent mandates Commission, by Sir John Hope-Simpson and by the Government of the mandatory Power. A Director of Development was appointed in the following year, and the Arab Executive and the Jewish Agency were each invited to nominate a representative to assist him in an advisory capacity. The Arab Executive declined to accept this invitation unless the Government would agree to their condition that development should not be based on the principles embodied in the Prime Minister’s letter to Dr. Weizmann.
​

The Arab Palestinians have absolutely no room to talk if the consistently declined to participate in the self-Governing process for more than 40 years. The Arab Palestinian demonstrated its faint interest in nation building in the beginning, and they still show how unproductive they are today,

Most Respectfully, R

 

[Hollie]

First, that is a matter to be litigate --- or brought under the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States where they "settlement of their international disputes by negotiation, inquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements or other peaceful means of their choice:"

Of course none of that will happen as long as the criminal class trumps international law with power politics.

That is why there is BDS to change those dynamics.

I'm afraid the above is simply an appeal to some conspiracy theory you have invented. It's pretty typical for you to implicate a vast collection of agents with some sinister agenda as a way to make excuses for Arab-Moslem ineptitudes. As for the BDS, they really do nothing but represent themselves as just another flaming hate group. You shouldn't make the mistake of believing that the BDS Cult has any agenda other than promotion of Islamist principles that are simply insensate hatreds directed at Israel.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Self determination belongs to the people of the place not the people from someplace else.

I could not agree more. The Jewish people ARE the people of the place.

There is no legitimate reasonable argument to be made that the Jewish people are not a people of the place. None. Absolutely none.

In 1948, the Palestinian transients showed how little attachment they had for the place by running away and letting the outside Arabs do their fighting for them.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

WRONG the palestinian's being the Jews from when the Roman's named them until 1960 when arafat stole the name have self determination in 22% of palestine. The arab muslims now using the name having no legal claim to that 22% only have what Jordan will allow them to have. They have no defined territory, no functioning government and no self determination because they dont want the hassle



STOP SLIMING THE JEWS AND DENYING THEM THEIR RIGHTS TO THEIR NATIONAL HOME AND THEIR RIGHTS TO BE PROTECTED AND COVERED BY INTERNATIONAL LAWS. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS AS THE ARAB MUSLIMS BY THEIR VERY NAME SAYS THEY ARE A COLONIAL, FOREIGN AND ALIEN DOMINATION

Oh my, more Israeli talking points.

What Israeli talking points. My post is universally accepted as true and reality, it is lifted from non partisan historical records

Which, of course, have no link.

Origin of the Name Palestine

TRUTH ABOUT ARAFAT AND PALESTINIANS

Then I point to your recent C&P that said the same things

What were Native Americans called before it was America? Were they different people?

Echoes of a Prehistoric Horror

Gangs of criminal fugitives driven out of Siberia. They were as much of an unfit and obsolete species as your precious Paleonasties are, so that makes the Israelis exactly like our American pioneers.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

First, that is a matter to be litigate --- or brought under the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States where they "settlement of their international disputes by negotiation, inquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements or other peaceful means of their choice:"

Of course none of that will happen as long as the criminal class trumps international law with power politics.

That is why there is BDS to change those dynamics.

I'm afraid the above is simply an appeal to some conspiracy theory you have invented. It's pretty typical for you to implicate a vast collection of agents with some sinister agenda as a way to make excuses for Arab-Moslem ineptitudes. As for the BDS, they really do nothing but represent themselves as just another flaming hate group. You shouldn't make the mistake of believing that the BDS Cult has any agenda other than promotion of Islamist principles that are simply insensate hatreds directed at Israel.

Nazis Will Never Blame the Masters They Worship

Americans are sick of the dragged out, expensive, and bloody War on Terror. So they are susceptible to professional anti-semites who tell them the Muslims are only reacting to the Jewish occupation of land that belongs to Muslims. In this cowardly and ignorant perspective, all we have to do is abandon all support for Israel and the jihad will go away.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I've heard this as well. This is a very false notion.

Yes they were. It was specified that the people would have citizenship in their respective states.

As the citizens of defined territories they would have the standard list of rights: self determination, independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity as affirmed by subsequent UN resolutions.

(COMMENT)

Prior to the post conflict period of 1967, the government of the territory to which the Mandate for Palestine applied was the British Mandatory. And all these Arab Palestinians became citizens of the Territory under the 1925 Palestine Citizenship law.

History of UK Administration:
22. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.
​

The opportunities, even in the early stage of the Mandate period, to participate inside the political process responsible for the development of self-governing institutions where rejected by the Arab Palestinians on numerous occasions. Over and over against, the Arab Palestinian was asked to participate; and each time the Arab Palestinian declined.

The Development of the Country, 1929-1936:
57. The need for economic development in Palestine was emphasised, in 1930, by the Permanent mandates Commission, by Sir John Hope-Simpson and by the Government of the mandatory Power. A Director of Development was appointed in the following year, and the Arab Executive and the Jewish Agency were each invited to nominate a representative to assist him in an advisory capacity. The Arab Executive declined to accept this invitation unless the Government would agree to their condition that development should not be based on the principles embodied in the Prime Minister’s letter to Dr. Weizmann.
​

The Arab Palestinians have absolutely no room to talk if the consistently declined to participate in the self-Governing process for more than 40 years. The Arab Palestinian demonstrated its faint interest in nation building in the beginning, and they still show how unproductive they are today,

Most Respectfully, R

Has nothing to do with my post.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I've heard this as well. This is a very false notion.

Yes they were. It was specified that the people would have citizenship in their respective states.

As the citizens of defined territories they would have the standard list of rights: self determination, independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity as affirmed by subsequent UN resolutions.

(COMMENT)

Prior to the post conflict period of 1967, the government of the territory to which the Mandate for Palestine applied was the British Mandatory. And all these Arab Palestinians became citizens of the Territory under the 1925 Palestine Citizenship law.

History of UK Administration:
22. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.
​

The opportunities, even in the early stage of the Mandate period, to participate inside the political process responsible for the development of self-governing institutions where rejected by the Arab Palestinians on numerous occasions. Over and over against, the Arab Palestinian was asked to participate; and each time the Arab Palestinian declined.

The Development of the Country, 1929-1936:
57. The need for economic development in Palestine was emphasised, in 1930, by the Permanent mandates Commission, by Sir John Hope-Simpson and by the Government of the mandatory Power. A Director of Development was appointed in the following year, and the Arab Executive and the Jewish Agency were each invited to nominate a representative to assist him in an advisory capacity. The Arab Executive declined to accept this invitation unless the Government would agree to their condition that development should not be based on the principles embodied in the Prime Minister’s letter to Dr. Weizmann.
​

The Arab Palestinians have absolutely no room to talk if the consistently declined to participate in the self-Governing process for more than 40 years. The Arab Palestinian demonstrated its faint interest in nation building in the beginning, and they still show how unproductive they are today,

Most Respectfully, R

Has nothing to do with my post.

Added to the Tinmore dance list.

Has nothing to do with my post™

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I've heard this as well. This is a very false notion.

Yes they were. It was specified that the people would have citizenship in their respective states.

As the citizens of defined territories they would have the standard list of rights: self determination, independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity as affirmed by subsequent UN resolutions.

(COMMENT)

Prior to the post conflict period of 1967, the government of the territory to which the Mandate for Palestine applied was the British Mandatory. And all these Arab Palestinians became citizens of the Territory under the 1925 Palestine Citizenship law.

History of UK Administration:
22. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.
​

The opportunities, even in the early stage of the Mandate period, to participate inside the political process responsible for the development of self-governing institutions where rejected by the Arab Palestinians on numerous occasions. Over and over against, the Arab Palestinian was asked to participate; and each time the Arab Palestinian declined.

The Development of the Country, 1929-1936:
57. The need for economic development in Palestine was emphasised, in 1930, by the Permanent mandates Commission, by Sir John Hope-Simpson and by the Government of the mandatory Power. A Director of Development was appointed in the following year, and the Arab Executive and the Jewish Agency were each invited to nominate a representative to assist him in an advisory capacity. The Arab Executive declined to accept this invitation unless the Government would agree to their condition that development should not be based on the principles embodied in the Prime Minister’s letter to Dr. Weizmann.
​

The Arab Palestinians have absolutely no room to talk if the consistently declined to participate in the self-Governing process for more than 40 years. The Arab Palestinian demonstrated its faint interest in nation building in the beginning, and they still show how unproductive they are today,

Most Respectfully, R

Has nothing to do with my post.

Cos you said so, when it shows that there were no defined territories other than Jordan for the arab muslims. When are you going to demand the arab muslims move to Jordan as demanded by your C&P ?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is another one of those distortions.

forceable interruption by a conspiratorial act of aggression on the part of the Arab League,

Attempting to enforce a rejected resolution was the first act of aggression.

(COMMENT)

Resolution 181(II) was never "enforced;" no part of it at any time. The parts that could be implemented were implemented. But the 1948 War of Independence was Israel defending against the Arab Forces crossing their respective frontiers in acts of aggression directed towards the Israeli newly declared territorial integrity, political independence and sovereignty.

No UN (Military) Command was involved in the 1948 Israeli War of Independence. No UNSC intervention of a military nature or direct action was considered. It was the Israelis against the entire Arab League Force; including Hostile Arab Palestinian irregular and asymmetric forces.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

acts of aggression directed towards the Israeli newly declared territorial integrity

Which was???

Israel always has to "defend itself" against the people it is attacking. They are still pimping that line.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Resolution 181(II) was never "enforced;" no part of it at any time. The parts that could be implemented were implemented.

What and by whom?

 

[Hollie]

acts of aggression directed towards the Israeli newly declared territorial integrity

Which was???

Israel always has to "defend itself" against the people it is attacking. They are still pimping that line.

Indeed, It was the Arab league armies (note the plural tense of armies), that were the aggressors in 1948. Similarly, arabs were the aggressors in later wars directed against Israel. Indeed, Israel certainly did "defend itself", successfully, against those Arab assaults with the arabs suffering humiliating losses.

Allah seems to have played a cruel joke on the arabs-Moslems.

 

[P F Tinmore]

acts of aggression directed towards the Israeli newly declared territorial integrity

Which was???

Israel always has to "defend itself" against the people it is attacking. They are still pimping that line.

Indeed, It was the Arab league armies (note the plural tense of armies), that were the aggressors in 1948. Similarly, arabs were the aggressors in later wars directed against Israel. Indeed, Israel certainly did "defend itself", successfully, against those Arab assaults with the arabs suffering humiliating losses.

Allah seems to have played a cruel joke on the arabs-Moslems.

Nobody attacked Israel.

 

[Hollie]

acts of aggression directed towards the Israeli newly declared territorial integrity

Which was???

Israel always has to "defend itself" against the people it is attacking. They are still pimping that line.

Indeed, It was the Arab league armies (note the plural tense of armies), that were the aggressors in 1948. Similarly, arabs were the aggressors in later wars directed against Israel. Indeed, Israel certainly did "defend itself", successfully, against those Arab assaults with the arabs suffering humiliating losses.

Allah seems to have played a cruel joke on the arabs-Moslems.

Nobody attacked Israel.

You've fallen down and bumped you head again, right?

 

[P F Tinmore]

First, that is a matter to be litigate --- or brought under the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States where they "settlement of their international disputes by negotiation, inquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements or other peaceful means of their choice:"

Of course none of that will happen as long as the criminal class trumps international law with power politics.

That is why there is BDS to change those dynamics.

The Treaty Parties are the OttomanEmpire/Turkish Republic AND the Allied Powers. The Palestinians, the Arabs, or indigenous population was NOT bequeathed anything.

Yes they were. It was specified that the people would have citizenship in their respective states.

As the citizens of defined territories they would have the standard list of rights: self determination, independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity as affirmed by subsequent UN resolutions.

And there was no state of palestine was there. The area known as palestine had no defined borders. And none of those concepts were in force at the time meaning that they can not be applied retroactively. You might get away with that on the other boards you infest, but you wont on here.



By the way if you read the terms of the surrender treaties they do say The Ottomans and their allies, and the mufti along with the palestinians were counted in that group

More unsubstantiated Israel talking points.

 

[Phoenall]

acts of aggression directed towards the Israeli newly declared territorial integrity

Which was???

Israel always has to "defend itself" against the people it is attacking. They are still pimping that line.

When was the last time Israel "attacked" the arab muslims, without it being in responce to the arab muslim attacks on Israel ?

When you are under constant attack by terrorists you are constantly defending yourself like Israel is. Any other nation would be allowed to wipe out the arab muslims causing the violence, so why cant Israel ?

 

[Phoenall]

Resolution 181(II) was never "enforced;" no part of it at any time. The parts that could be implemented were implemented.

What and by whom?

The Jews and the UN of course, it was not part of 181 that the arab's had to agree for it to take place.

 

[Phoenall]

acts of aggression directed towards the Israeli newly declared territorial integrity

Which was???

Israel always has to "defend itself" against the people it is attacking. They are still pimping that line.

Indeed, It was the Arab league armies (note the plural tense of armies), that were the aggressors in 1948. Similarly, arabs were the aggressors in later wars directed against Israel. Indeed, Israel certainly did "defend itself", successfully, against those Arab assaults with the arabs suffering humiliating losses.

Allah seems to have played a cruel joke on the arabs-Moslems.

Nobody attacked Israel.

LIAR the records show that the arab league invaded mandate of palestine lands and attacked the Jews living there. Then on May 15 1948 they changed from attacking Jews to attacking israel, this has never ceased since this date