The Clausewitz Failure

[Phoenall]

AS INTERNATIONAL LAWS CLEARLY STATE IT IS FOR THE JEWISH NATIONAL HOME.

Indeed, and that was not a land transfer it was citizenship in Palestine along with the other citizens.

WRONG you really need to re-learn English as the LoN clearly stated the land was to be transferred to the Jews as their National Home


The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and




Palestine at this time being what is now Jordan, Israel, west bank, gaza and parts of Syria, Egypt, Saudi and Lebanon.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination​

Indeed.
The French have self determination in France.
The British have self determination in Britain.
The Palestinians have self determination in Palestine.
The Jews have self determination in...ah...er...they are the colonial, foreign and alien domination.

WRONG the palestinian's being the Jews from when the Roman's named them until 1960 when arafat stole the name have self determination in 22% of palestine. The arab muslims now using the name having no legal claim to that 22% only have what Jordan will allow them to have. They have no defined territory, no functioning government and no self determination because they dont want the hassle



STOP SLIMING THE JEWS AND DENYING THEM THEIR RIGHTS TO THEIR NATIONAL HOME AND THEIR RIGHTS TO BE PROTECTED AND COVERED BY INTERNATIONAL LAWS. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS AS THE ARAB MUSLIMS BY THEIR VERY NAME SAYS THEY ARE A COLONIAL, FOREIGN AND ALIEN DOMINATION

Oh my, more Israeli talking points.

What Israeli talking points. My post is universally accepted as true and reality, it is lifted from non partisan historical records

Which, of course, have no link.

Origin of the Name Palestine

TRUTH ABOUT ARAFAT AND PALESTINIANS

Then I point to your recent C&P that said the same things

What were Native Americans called before it was America? Were they different people?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Arab prevented this themselves.

There is a reasonableness in the actual ability to implement process that were interrupted by the outbreak of hostilities.

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

There are many items in Resolution 181.

Can you provide a list of those that have not been implemented. Check out Chapter 3 paragraph 1.

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/7F0AF2BD897689B785256C330061D253

(COMMENT)

You cannot repatriate hostile parties that have pledge war.

Palestinian citizens residing in sovereignty of Israel, outside the City of Jerusalem, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citizenship, reside in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem shall, upon the recognition of independence Israel, become citizens of the State in which they are resident and enjoy full civil and political rights.
​

The Palestinians in Hostile contact, did not exchange recognition until the Oslo Accords. However, the Palestinians all have stated that Jihad and armed conflict is the only solution. It is as true today as it was in 1948. The right-of-return concept presupposes that the repatriation act does not endanger the stability and internal security of the Jewish state. That is not self evident.

Most Respectfully,
R

Of course you realize that all Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens. That means that they have the right to live in their place of residence and to not be stripped of their land.

BTW, Resolution 181 merely reiterates international law and applies with or without Resolution 181. The durable solution for refugees in Resolution 194 applies.

BULLSHIT

 

[Phoenall]

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

There are many items in Resolution 181.

Can you provide a list of those that have not been implemented. Check out Chapter 3 paragraph 1.

A/RES/181(II) of 29 November 1947

Can you so we can pick them apart and then show they have been implemented in as much as any resolution can be.

Still waiting for the arab muslims to implement 181, 194 and 242 ?

PLAN OF PARTITION WITH ECONOMIC UNION

PART I

Future constitution and government of Palestine


A. TERMINATION OF MANDATE, PARTITION AND INDEPENDENCE

3. Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in part III of this plan, shall come into existence in Palestine two months after the evacuation of the armed forces of the mandatory Power has been completed but in any case not later than 1 October 1948. The boundaries of the Arab State, the Jewish State, and the City of Jerusalem shall be as described in parts II and III below.

4. The period between the adoption by the General Assembly of its recommendation on the question of Palestine and the establishment of the independence of the Arab and Jewish States shall be a transitional period.

And who invaded and stole these lands negating only one tiny part of 181, after deny it in the first place

 

[P F Tinmore]

AS INTERNATIONAL LAWS CLEARLY STATE IT IS FOR THE JEWISH NATIONAL HOME.

Indeed, and that was not a land transfer it was citizenship in Palestine along with the other citizens.

WRONG you really need to re-learn English as the LoN clearly stated the land was to be transferred to the Jews as their National Home


The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and




Palestine at this time being what is now Jordan, Israel, west bank, gaza and parts of Syria, Egypt, Saudi and Lebanon.

ART. 7.
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate​

You don't know your documents.

 

[Phoenall]

WRONG the palestinian's being the Jews from when the Roman's named them until 1960 when arafat stole the name have self determination in 22% of palestine. The arab muslims now using the name having no legal claim to that 22% only have what Jordan will allow them to have. They have no defined territory, no functioning government and no self determination because they dont want the hassle



STOP SLIMING THE JEWS AND DENYING THEM THEIR RIGHTS TO THEIR NATIONAL HOME AND THEIR RIGHTS TO BE PROTECTED AND COVERED BY INTERNATIONAL LAWS. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS AS THE ARAB MUSLIMS BY THEIR VERY NAME SAYS THEY ARE A COLONIAL, FOREIGN AND ALIEN DOMINATION

Oh my, more Israeli talking points.

What Israeli talking points. My post is universally accepted as true and reality, it is lifted from non partisan historical records

Which, of course, have no link.

Origin of the Name Palestine

TRUTH ABOUT ARAFAT AND PALESTINIANS

Then I point to your recent C&P that said the same things

What were Native Americans called before it was America? Were they different people?

What ever they called themselves, the term native American is what the colonial aggressive invaders from Europe call them today

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Arab prevented this themselves.

There is a reasonableness in the actual ability to implement process that were interrupted by the outbreak of hostilities.

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

There are many items in Resolution 181.

Can you provide a list of those that have not been implemented. Check out Chapter 3 paragraph 1.

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/7F0AF2BD897689B785256C330061D253

(COMMENT)

You cannot repatriate hostile parties that have pledge war.

Palestinian citizens residing in sovereignty of Israel, outside the City of Jerusalem, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citizenship, reside in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem shall, upon the recognition of independence Israel, become citizens of the State in which they are resident and enjoy full civil and political rights.
​

The Palestinians in Hostile contact, did not exchange recognition until the Oslo Accords. However, the Palestinians all have stated that Jihad and armed conflict is the only solution. It is as true today as it was in 1948. The right-of-return concept presupposes that the repatriation act does not endanger the stability and internal security of the Jewish state. That is not self evident.

Most Respectfully,
R

Of course you realize that all Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens. That means that they have the right to live in their place of residence and to not be stripped of their land.

BTW, Resolution 181 merely reiterates international law and applies with or without Resolution 181. The durable solution for refugees in Resolution 194 applies.

BULLSHIT

Link?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Oh my, more Israeli talking points.

What Israeli talking points. My post is universally accepted as true and reality, it is lifted from non partisan historical records

Which, of course, have no link.

Origin of the Name Palestine

TRUTH ABOUT ARAFAT AND PALESTINIANS

Then I point to your recent C&P that said the same things

What were Native Americans called before it was America? Were they different people?

What ever they called themselves, the term native American is what the colonial aggressive invaders from Europe call them today

Indeed, names are irrelevant.

 

[Phoenall]

AS INTERNATIONAL LAWS CLEARLY STATE IT IS FOR THE JEWISH NATIONAL HOME.

Indeed, and that was not a land transfer it was citizenship in Palestine along with the other citizens.

WRONG you really need to re-learn English as the LoN clearly stated the land was to be transferred to the Jews as their National Home


The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and




Palestine at this time being what is now Jordan, Israel, west bank, gaza and parts of Syria, Egypt, Saudi and Lebanon.

ART. 7.
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate​

You don't know your documents.

Do you understand what this means, as in why the Jews were given citizenship and not the arab muslims ? What was meant by palestinian citizenship AT THAT TIME

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Arab prevented this themselves.

There is a reasonableness in the actual ability to implement process that were interrupted by the outbreak of hostilities.

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

There are many items in Resolution 181.

Can you provide a list of those that have not been implemented. Check out Chapter 3 paragraph 1.

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/7F0AF2BD897689B785256C330061D253

(COMMENT)

You cannot repatriate hostile parties that have pledge war.

Palestinian citizens residing in sovereignty of Israel, outside the City of Jerusalem, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citizenship, reside in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem shall, upon the recognition of independence Israel, become citizens of the State in which they are resident and enjoy full civil and political rights.
​

The Palestinians in Hostile contact, did not exchange recognition until the Oslo Accords. However, the Palestinians all have stated that Jihad and armed conflict is the only solution. It is as true today as it was in 1948. The right-of-return concept presupposes that the repatriation act does not endanger the stability and internal security of the Jewish state. That is not self evident.

Most Respectfully,
R

Of course you realize that all Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens. That means that they have the right to live in their place of residence and to not be stripped of their land.

BTW, Resolution 181 merely reiterates international law and applies with or without Resolution 181. The durable solution for refugees in Resolution 194 applies.

BULLSHIT

Link?

Read your cut and paste again

 

[Phoenall]

What Israeli talking points. My post is universally accepted as true and reality, it is lifted from non partisan historical records

Which, of course, have no link.

Origin of the Name Palestine

TRUTH ABOUT ARAFAT AND PALESTINIANS

Then I point to your recent C&P that said the same things

What were Native Americans called before it was America? Were they different people?

What ever they called themselves, the term native American is what the colonial aggressive invaders from Europe call them today

Indeed, names are irrelevant.

Then why are you making such a song and dance about them ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Arab prevented this themselves.

There is a reasonableness in the actual ability to implement process that were interrupted by the outbreak of hostilities.

There are many items in Resolution 181.

Can you provide a list of those that have not been implemented. Check out Chapter 3 paragraph 1.

A/RES/181(II) of 29 November 1947

(COMMENT)

You cannot repatriate hostile parties that have pledge war.

Palestinian citizens residing in sovereignty of Israel, outside the City of Jerusalem, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citizenship, reside in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem shall, upon the recognition of independence Israel, become citizens of the State in which they are resident and enjoy full civil and political rights.
​

The Palestinians in Hostile contact, did not exchange recognition until the Oslo Accords. However, the Palestinians all have stated that Jihad and armed conflict is the only solution. It is as true today as it was in 1948. The right-of-return concept presupposes that the repatriation act does not endanger the stability and internal security of the Jewish state. That is not self evident.

Most Respectfully,
R

Of course you realize that all Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens. That means that they have the right to live in their place of residence and to not be stripped of their land.

BTW, Resolution 181 merely reiterates international law and applies with or without Resolution 181. The durable solution for refugees in Resolution 194 applies.

BULLSHIT

Link?

Read your cut and paste again

What does that have to do with state succession, citizenship and refugees?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Jews were given citizenship and not the arab muslims ?

Who said?

Link?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

What are you saying? Please don't be cryptic.

Of course you realize that all Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens. That means that they have the right to live in their place of residence and to not be stripped of their land.

BTW, Resolution 181 merely reiterates international law and applies with or without Resolution 181. The durable solution for refugees in Resolution 194 applies.

(COMMENT)

First, that is a matter to be litigate --- or brought under the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States where they "settlement of their international disputes by negotiation, inquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements or other peaceful means of their choice:"

• They may NOT violate the existing international boundaries currently recognized of Israel as a means of solving international disputes,
• The Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) may NOT violate international lines of demarcation; pursuant to an international agreement,
• The HoAP may NOT deprives peoples referred to in the elaboration of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of their right to self-determination and freedom and independence.
• The HoAP must halt their involvement in organizing, instigating, assisting or participating in acts of civil strife or terrorist acts.
​

UN General Assembly Resolution 194(III) is a non-binding instrument. Who is a refugee is dependent on when the displacement occurred and what enforceable law you are using. It would be helpful for me to understand better if you would draw a timeline or list the date of the alleged displacement and the date the law went into force rather than throwing these unsubstantiated claims out here.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I've posted this several times, but I'll try again.

What does that have to do with state succession, citizenship and refugees?

(COMMENT)

The Law of State Succession does apply, but only generally. Like a person who dies with a "will" and person who dies without a "will."

The Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic stipulate by treaty how the territory was to be handled. In this case, the Palestinians have no claim. The Treaty clearly stipulates the the Allied Powers have full Rights and Title to the territory. Article 16, Treaty of Lausanne:

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighbourly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.
​

The Treaty Parties are the OttomanEmpire/Turkish Republic AND the Allied Powers. The Palestinians, the Arabs, or indigenous population was NOT bequeathed anything.

And it was the Allied Powers that decided the future of the territories.

"[T]he Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people,"
​

The Arab Palestinians are attempting to lay claim on territory that was not their sovereign territory, and was not theirs to govern. When territory was offered to them, they rejected it and decided to open hostilities. While adjacent parties to the conflict have established "peace", the Hostile Arab Palestinians have opted to press violence (armed struggle) as the means of settling the dispute. The Arab Palestinians have not declared that they make a "solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition." This has remained true since 1948.

MIDDLE EAST --- HAMAS leader Khaled Mashaal on Sunday night phoned the family of the terrorist who murdered two Israelis at Ammunition Hill in Jerusalem and praised their son’s actions.
ARUTZ SHEVA Israeli National News by Elad Benari, 10/10/16

TEL AVIV – Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas praised a Jordanian terrorist who attempted to stab Israeli Border Police officers in Jerusalem on Friday as “a martyr who watered the pure earth of Palestine with his blood.”
BREITBART by DEBORAH DANAN 21 Sep 2016

PARIS --- The HAMAS terror organization praised three Islamic terrorists responsible for murdering 17 people in France in three separate terror attacks.
United with Israel By Staff 12 June 2015
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At the current time, there is no popular or political intention by the Arab Palestinian to live peacefully under the Declaration of Principles.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

First, that is a matter to be litigate --- or brought under the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States where they "settlement of their international disputes by negotiation, inquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements or other peaceful means of their choice:"

Of course none of that will happen as long as the criminal class trumps international law with power politics.

That is why there is BDS to change those dynamics.

 

[P F Tinmore]

First, that is a matter to be litigate --- or brought under the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States where they "settlement of their international disputes by negotiation, inquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements or other peaceful means of their choice:"

Of course none of that will happen as long as the criminal class trumps international law with power politics.

That is why there is BDS to change those dynamics.

The Treaty Parties are the OttomanEmpire/Turkish Republic AND the Allied Powers. The Palestinians, the Arabs, or indigenous population was NOT bequeathed anything.

Yes they were. It was specified that the people would have citizenship in their respective states.

As the citizens of defined territories they would have the standard list of rights: self determination, independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity as affirmed by subsequent UN resolutions.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The solution to the peace process for a two-state partition is now and has been within the reach of the Arab Palestinians for more than a decade.

First, that is a matter to be litigate --- or brought under the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States where they "settlement of their international disputes by negotiation, inquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements or other peaceful means of their choice:"

Of course none of that will happen as long as the criminal class trumps international law with power politics.

That is why there is BDS to change those dynamics.

(COMMENT)

The BDS Movement is an external popular objection to a series of complaints beginning with the Balfour Declaration.

The foundation behind the complaints is quite simple. The Arab Palestinian believes that they were cheated out of a territorial emirate. They believed that they we inline for the control (succession) as the Ottoman/Turks transitioned from an Empire having relinquished sovereignty, title and rights to a vast expanse of the Middle East. They believe the Treaty of Lausanne does not render the rights and title, of the Ottoman territory in question, to the Allied Powers. Once this false notion is dispelled, the entire argument unravels.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Arab prevented this themselves.

There is a reasonableness in the actual ability to implement process that were interrupted by the outbreak of hostilities.

(COMMENT)

You cannot repatriate hostile parties that have pledge war.

Palestinian citizens residing in sovereignty of Israel, outside the City of Jerusalem, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citizenship, reside in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem shall, upon the recognition of independence Israel, become citizens of the State in which they are resident and enjoy full civil and political rights.
​

The Palestinians in Hostile contact, did not exchange recognition until the Oslo Accords. However, the Palestinians all have stated that Jihad and armed conflict is the only solution. It is as true today as it was in 1948. The right-of-return concept presupposes that the repatriation act does not endanger the stability and internal security of the Jewish state. That is not self evident.

Most Respectfully,
R

Of course you realize that all Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens. That means that they have the right to live in their place of residence and to not be stripped of their land.

BTW, Resolution 181 merely reiterates international law and applies with or without Resolution 181. The durable solution for refugees in Resolution 194 applies.

BULLSHIT

Link?

Read your cut and paste again

What does that have to do with state succession, citizenship and refugees?

As much as many of your posts have to do with reality

 

[Phoenall]

Jews were given citizenship and not the arab muslims ?

Who said?

Link?

The one you posted that said just that, or did you speed read it and miss out all the facts