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The CIA conducted a coup in Iran in 1953

DudleySmith

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The impression that places such as Iran and North Korea hate the U.S. for no reason arises from ignorance of history.

The impression we should care what the scum who run those countries think arises from idiocy.
 

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The operation was initiated by the Brits who wanted to preserve their influence on Iranian oil sector. Mossadegh was considered to be leaning toward socialism and the Americans didn't want his influence to become stronger.

The operation was well organized and realized. Almost a textbook for a covert operations of this type.

They painted Mossadeeg as a Communist because the Brits wanted to continue paying 6 cents on the dollar in oil revenues.

They painte Mosadegh as a puppet socialist who would have relied on the Communists to form a government and would have been their butt boi, especially when they hit the streets with their stockpiles of arms and and' prurged all da evul imperialsts' from the country, using the usual mass murders commies so love. You of course are a big fan of that stuff, hence your silly lies and nonsense posts.
Iran nationalized their oil, which kicked the UK out.

Gaddafi did the same.

Was Gaddafi a puppet of the Kremlin as well?

Gadaffi Nationalized Libyan oil in 1970 under oil minister Abdullah Tariki who hated Americans and had been fired by Saudi Arabia. It was premature .. Libya wasn't ready and it all but destroyed Libya's oil production.

Not all countries are the same and the reasons for nationalization are not all the same.
 

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Well, there would have been no coup if the Iranians had simply pleased the British and the Americans and obeyed them.

The United States after World War II decided to become the world's big brother, suggesting what kind of government was best for various nations. If necessary, it would encourage coups, as in Iran, Chile, and Vietnam.

Why blame only the CIA?

At the turn of the century, Mexico had a democratically elected president named Francisco Madero. The army did not like him. It wanted to overthrow him. The American ambassador said it would be fine with him. So the army did. It also murdered the president. Why? Because he tried to escape. Yeah, right!

Do you think letting the Soviet and Red Chinese imperialists run around the globe setting up dictatorships would have been the better strategy?

Good question.

I have no answer.

But I do think it would have been just dandy to overthrow Fidel Castro.

I know that this is not in the conspiracy forum, but it seems awfully fishy that after all these years the United States has never succeeded in overthrowing the Castro brothers. Did they have powerful friends in the American Swamp?

Maybe the answer is the U.S isn't the Big Giant Oppressor all the conspiracy nuts and right wing ideologues rely on for much of their whining and bullshit theories? In any case, the American 'middle class' lost its ability to govern itself in the 1960's if not earlier, and it will never get that back. If the 'right wing' was so great and smart and wonderful and had such a successful record, we wouldn't have a shithead criminal like Biden and his predecessor Obama as Presidents.
. . . or Trump.

Trump was a political moderate; he was also not part of the GOP establishment. His votes didn't come solely from Party partisans. He is afluke of history. He will influence a few local elections, but the Democrats now have it all rigged, and the GOP is back to its old self, i.e. supporting big biz over American interests as always. We'll see if there is any light left in the coming mid-terms, but I personally doubt any big new trend develops.
May you be correct that Trumpism has no sand.
 

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Well, there would have been no coup if the Iranians had simply pleased the British and the Americans and obeyed them.

The United States after World War II decided to become the world's big brother, suggesting what kind of government was best for various nations. If necessary, it would encourage coups, as in Iran, Chile, and Vietnam.

Why blame only the CIA?

At the turn of the century, Mexico had a democratically elected president named Francisco Madero. The army did not like him. It wanted to overthrow him. The American ambassador said it would be fine with him. So the army did. It also murdered the president. Why? Because he tried to escape. Yeah, right!

Do you think letting the Soviet and Red Chinese imperialists run around the globe setting up dictatorships would have been the better strategy?

Good question.

I have no answer.

But I do think it would have been just dandy to overthrow Fidel Castro.

I know that this is not in the conspiracy forum, but it seems awfully fishy that after all these years the United States has never succeeded in overthrowing the Castro brothers. Did they have powerful friends in the American Swamp?

Maybe the answer is the U.S isn't the Big Giant Oppressor all the conspiracy nuts and right wing ideologues rely on for much of their whining and bullshit theories? In any case, the American 'middle class' lost its ability to govern itself in the 1960's if not earlier, and it will never get that back. If the 'right wing' was so great and smart and wonderful and had such a successful record, we wouldn't have a shithead criminal like Biden and his predecessor Obama as Presidents.

You forget there was NEVER a "right wing" majority in America.

I didn't 'forget' anything. There used to be a lot more moderates and conservatives than left wingers. Now both Parties are shills for corrupt criminals and America haters, and right wingers are almost as loony as left wingers are.
 

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Here is a famous quote from Truman after learning of the Frankenstein he had created with forming the CIA

“I never would have agreed to the formulation of the Central Intelligence Agency back in forty-seven, if I had known it would become the American Gestapo.”
~ Harry S. Truman
(1884-1972), 33rd US President

It was one of those rare events where a democrat not only understood the evils of their expanding government, he admitted to it publicly.
I remember someone telling me tha

How many people were taught this or knew this?

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I have known it for years, have a book on it.
yep same here just not the details as heard in the video,I did not know it until several years after getting out of high school though obviously the fact our corrupt school system does not teach real history.
 

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The operation was initiated by the Brits who wanted to preserve their influence on Iranian oil sector. Mossadegh was considered to be leaning toward socialism and the Americans didn't want his influence to become stronger.

The operation was well organized and realized. Almost a textbook for a covert operations of this type.
Yes, it was corporate driven.

They rule the world don't ya know

It is the same reason Obama took out Gaddafi.

Some things never change.

Obama didn't take out Gadaffi.. You know as much about Libya as you knew about Operation Ajax.
So Obama bombing the hell out of Libya had nothing to do with Gaddafi losing power.

Good to know.

Why did he do it then and why did Gaddafi fall shortly afterwards?

There was no way to keep Gadaffi in power short of 100,000 occupation troops in Libya.

By the time NATO decided to bomb Gadaffi all the embassies had left. All seven oil companies had left.. even the Chinese railroad workers had left and refugees were pouring into Italy.. at least those that didn't drown trying to get there.

Don't try to reinvent Gadaffi.
 

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Here is a famous quote from Truman after learning of the Frankenstein he had created with forming the CIA

“I never would have agreed to the formulation of the Central Intelligence Agency back in forty-seven, if I had known it would become the American Gestapo.”
~ Harry S. Truman
(1884-1972), 33rd US President

It was one of those rare events where a democrat not only understood the evils of their expanding government, he admitted to it publicly.
I remember someone telling me tha

How many people were taught this or knew this?

Show of hands

I have known it for years, have a book on it.
yep same here just not the details as heard in the video,I did not know it until several years after getting out of high school though obviously the fact our corrupt school system does not teach real history.

You must have gone to a crappy school. Did it ever occur to you to read history on your own?
 

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I and most people read about it in the 1960's. We saved Iran from being turned into a Soviet puppets state under Mosadegh, which of course was a good thing. Most commies now like to pretend it was 'bad n stuff' and 'all about the money', but as usual they're mostly dumbass deviants and bedwetters parroting old Pravda rubbish hoping to sound like they're 'wise' or something.

LOLOL.. Mossadeeg wasn't a Communist and he wasn't under the influence of the Soviets. He wanted democracy in Iran. This was strictly about money. The Brits had converted their Navy from coal to diesel... and they wanted cheap oil. BP was always a crappy oil company.. They were paying the Shah 6 cents on the dollar when all the other oil producing companies were getting 50 cents.

You weren't in Iran or in the ME or in the oil business... so you are buying into bullshit.
 

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Mossad may have been a socialist, but he was not a communist, and he was committed to oil for Iran. The Brits and Americans could not their oil assets threatened, yes?
 

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Mossad may have been a socialist, but he was not a communist, and he was committed to oil for Iran. The Brits and Americans could not their oil assets threatened, yes?

The US government didn't have any oil companies in Iran.
 

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In any case, it seems that removing of Mossadegh was one of the reasons which led to the Islamic revolution there afterwards.

The Shah cemented his personal power and eliminated his political competitors. He built such political system which could have been changed only through some kind of forceful resistance.
 

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Knew it long ago. You might want to read up on the CIA. They’ve committed coups in several nations, murdered several heads of state including JFK. They were and still are desperately trying to start new wars. They also control nearly the entire MSM.

Allen Dulles was a fucking psychopath. Has his grandson who frequently posts here chimed in yet? He goes by the screen name Nazi.

Here is a great series of articles by Cynthia Chung if you want the truth.
A Damned Murder Inc: Kennedy’s Battle Against the Leviathan
 

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How many people were taught this or knew this?

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I and most people read about it in the 1960's. We saved Iran from being turned into a Soviet puppets state under Mosadegh, which of course was a good thing. Most commies now like to pretend it was 'bad n stuff' and 'all about the money', but as usual they're mostly dumbass deviants and bedwetters parroting old Pravda rubbish hoping to sound like they're 'wise' or something.

LOLOL.. Mossadeeg wasn't a Communist and he wasn't under the influence of the Soviets. He wanted democracy in Iran. This was strictly about money. The Brits had converted their Navy from coal to diesel... and they wanted cheap oil. BP was always a crappy oil company.. They were paying the Shah 6 cents on the dollar when all the other oil producing companies were getting 50 cents.

You weren't in Iran or in the ME or in the oil business... so you are buying into bullshit.

More stupid repetitive rubbish. You don't know shit about any of it, just spewing Pravda crap. AS for the prices, it was the Anglos and Americans drilling and operating the wells, the pipelines, the shipping, and refining, the Iranians merely sat there and got paid for doing nothing. Same all over the ME, so no need for anybody to run around whining. What their leaders did with the money is their problem. It's more than stupid to whine about 'control' and then whine when there is no control on how they spent their free money.
 

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In any case, it seems that removing of Mossadegh was one of the reasons which led to the Islamic revolution there afterwards.

The Shah cemented his personal power and eliminated his political competitors. He built such political system which could have been changed only through some kind of forceful resistance.

lol the Mullahs supported the Shah in the 1940's and the 1950's against the commies and their puppet boi. 29 years later they're all unhappy with the cut, is all, like most violent thug gangsters always are. You think they just wanted to share it with the peasants or something??? lol that's cute. Why are they spending so much on warheads and missiles when most of the country doesn't even have electricity outside the cities? And spending billions on their Hezbollah troops? Think that money they make off the hashish and heroin trade goes to feed The Children N Stuff? Cuz JOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSS!!!!! or something?
 

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In any case, it seems that removing of Mossadegh was one of the reasons which led to the Islamic revolution there afterwards.

The Shah cemented his personal power and eliminated his political competitors. He built such political system which could have been changed only through some kind of forceful resistance.


The Shah had his own Gestapo.. the SAVAK developed by Kermit Roosevelt and Schwartzkoff's father.
 

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The CIA has the advantage of a secret budget and a faked Hollywood persona. Timid little Harry Truman was kept in the dark about just about everything including the fledgling CIA when he was selected to become FDR's successor. JFK used the CIA illegally to recruit a freaking invasion army and then abandoned the endeavor at the Bay of Pigs. LBJ let the CIA run the Vietnam conflict. How did that work out? The agency we trusted for ...."Intelligence" failed us in so many ways that it's incredible that it still exists in an era when there are no secrets left.
 

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