The church in Laodicea, the churches of this age or the people of this age

[OneIsTheWord]

Greetings
if I may
Rev 3:14-22 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Paul is addressing God’s Majesty
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou were cold or hot.
God says I know you inside and out's and find little to my likings, you’re neither with Me all the time, and you’re neither against Me all the time, far better to be either with Me all the time or against Me all the time,”

Ezek 43:7-9 neither the people of Israel nor the pastors will ever again drag my holy name through the mud with their whoring and the on-god idols their Pastors set up at all the worship places. When they set up their worship places right alongside mine with only a thin wall between them.
They drag my holy name through the mud with their obscene and vile worship.
Is it any wonder that I destroy them in my anger?

So let them get rid of their whoring ways and the stinking no-god idols introduced by their pastors and I'll move in and live with them forever.
16Since you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I am going to spit you out of my mouth.

You’re neither with Me all the time, and you’re neither against Me all the time, far better to be either with Me all the time or against Me all the time,”

Matt 7:22-23 (KJV) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Lev 18:23-25 (KJV) Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
And the land is defiled: therefore, I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

Job 20:15 He hath swallowed down riches, and he shall vomit them up again: God shall cast them out of his belly.

17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

Neh. 9:29 And testified against them, that thou mightest bring them again unto thy law: yet they dealt proudly, and hearkened not unto thy commandments, but sinned against thy judgments, (which if a man does, he shall live in them and withdrew the shoulder, and hardened their neck, and would not hear.

1 John 2:16-17 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is of the world.
And the world passed away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

John 10: 11 - 16 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
But he that is a hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. 13The hireling fleeth, because he is a hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
As the Father knoweth me, even so, know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

A Hireling’ is a Person or Pastor, a hired shepherd, a mercenary, who tends the flock, the children of God for his own interest. When a hired shepherd sees the wolf coming, he flees, not caring about the sheep.

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

You brag, ‘I’m rich, I’ve got it made, I need nothing from anyone,’ oblivious that in fact, you’re a pitiful, blind beggar, threadbare and homeless.

Job 29:14-17 I put on righteousness, and it clothed me: my judgment was as a robe and a diadem.
I was eyes to the blind, and feet was I to the lame.
I was a father to the poor: and the cause which I knew not I searched out.
And I brake the jaws of the wicked and plucked the spoil out of his teeth.

Isaiah 61:10-11 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
You learned deep in your heart that God disciplines you in the same ways a father disciplines his child.

2 Sam 7:14-15 (KJV)I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
upon you. This is a process, when you are being chastised, which will lead you to confession, and then chasing to continue you’re cleansing. Read Job 5: 17
20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock: if any man hears my voice, and opens the door, I will come into him and will sup with him, and he with me.

1 Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

1 Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, establish, strengthen, settle you.

Heb 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Romans 12:11 I beseech you, therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. But it is a choice. God loves you; I know.
21 To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Rev 3:10-11 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man takes thy crown.

Mark 14:37-38 And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest not thou watch one hour?
38 Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.

1 Cor. 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.

 

[Clyde 154]

Pointing out the historical evidence that the book of Revelation self defines as being authoried by "JOHN".......not Paul. (Rev. 1:1, 4, 9; 22:8) Next.........the book of Revelation reveals exactly to whom the Book was directed......."the 7 churches in Asia" (Rev.1:4), with Laodicean being located in Asia. Next it must be considered that John declared these Revelations "would shortly take place." -- Rev. 1:1, 3; 22:10, 10)

Next the book of Revelation self professes to be a book of SYMBOLISM, not to be read literally but as "signified". Any attempt to translate these symbolic texts as not coming within the 1st or 2nd century are not dealing with reality. Like suggesting that the book predicts the book of Mormon. Is 1800 years SHORTLY?

Of course there are some of the text that uses sysmblism to address the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus Christ such as (Rev. 20:11 - 22:5). Yet if anyone suggests that the majority of the book is about the 2nd coming of the Lord......they clearly have not comprehended Rev. 1.

The purpose of the book of Revelation is also revealed in Rev. 1-3, to give HOPE to churches to whom the book was directed, not to some imagined future reader 2000 years removed from the book.. During the writing of this Book the church was under horible tribulation and persecution from ROME.

 

[OneIsTheWord]

Hebrews 5:12-14 (NKJV) For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

​

 

[surada]

Greetings
if I may
Rev 3:14-22 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Paul is addressing God’s Majesty
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou were cold or hot.
God says I know you inside and out's and find little to my likings, you’re neither with Me all the time, and you’re neither against Me all the time, far better to be either with Me all the time or against Me all the time,”

Ezek 43:7-9 neither the people of Israel nor the pastors will ever again drag my holy name through the mud with their whoring and the on-god idols their Pastors set up at all the worship places. When they set up their worship places right alongside mine with only a thin wall between them.
They drag my holy name through the mud with their obscene and vile worship.
Is it any wonder that I destroy them in my anger?

So let them get rid of their whoring ways and the stinking no-god idols introduced by their pastors and I'll move in and live with them forever.
16Since you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I am going to spit you out of my mouth.

You’re neither with Me all the time, and you’re neither against Me all the time, far better to be either with Me all the time or against Me all the time,”

Matt 7:22-23 (KJV) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Lev 18:23-25 (KJV) Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
And the land is defiled: therefore, I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

Job 20:15 He hath swallowed down riches, and he shall vomit them up again: God shall cast them out of his belly.

17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

Neh. 9:29 And testified against them, that thou mightest bring them again unto thy law: yet they dealt proudly, and hearkened not unto thy commandments, but sinned against thy judgments, (which if a man does, he shall live in them and withdrew the shoulder, and hardened their neck, and would not hear.

1 John 2:16-17 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is of the world.
And the world passed away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

John 10: 11 - 16 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
But he that is a hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. 13The hireling fleeth, because he is a hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
As the Father knoweth me, even so, know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

A Hireling’ is a Person or Pastor, a hired shepherd, a mercenary, who tends the flock, the children of God for his own interest. When a hired shepherd sees the wolf coming, he flees, not caring about the sheep.

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

You brag, ‘I’m rich, I’ve got it made, I need nothing from anyone,’ oblivious that in fact, you’re a pitiful, blind beggar, threadbare and homeless.

Job 29:14-17 I put on righteousness, and it clothed me: my judgment was as a robe and a diadem.
I was eyes to the blind, and feet was I to the lame.
I was a father to the poor: and the cause which I knew not I searched out.
And I brake the jaws of the wicked and plucked the spoil out of his teeth.

Isaiah 61:10-11 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
You learned deep in your heart that God disciplines you in the same ways a father disciplines his child.

2 Sam 7:14-15 (KJV)I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
upon you. This is a process, when you are being chastised, which will lead you to confession, and then chasing to continue you’re cleansing. Read Job 5: 17
20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock: if any man hears my voice, and opens the door, I will come into him and will sup with him, and he with me.

1 Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

1 Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, establish, strengthen, settle you.

Heb 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Romans 12:11 I beseech you, therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. But it is a choice. God loves you; I know.
21 To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Rev 3:10-11 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man takes thy crown.

Mark 14:37-38 And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest not thou watch one hour?
38 Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.

1 Cor. 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.

Pretty obvious that it's about the first century.

 

[kjw47]

Pointing out the historical evidence that the book of Revelation self defines as being authoried by "JOHN".......not Paul. (Rev. 1:1, 4, 9; 22:8) Next.........the book of Revelation reveals exactly to whom the Book was directed......."the 7 churches in Asia" (Rev.1:4), with Laodicean being located in Asia. Next it must be considered that John declared these Revelations "would shortly take place." -- Rev. 1:1, 3; 22:10, 10)

Next the book of Revelation self professes to be a book of SYMBOLISM, not to be read literally but as "signified". Any attempt to translate these symbolic texts as not coming within the 1st or 2nd century are not dealing with reality. Like suggesting that the book predicts the book of Mormon. Is 1800 years SHORTLY?

Of course there are some of the text that uses sysmblism to address the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus Christ such as (Rev. 20:11 - 22:5). Yet if anyone suggests that the majority of the book is about the 2nd coming of the Lord......they clearly have not comprehended Rev. 1.

The purpose of the book of Revelation is also revealed in Rev. 1-3, to give HOPE to churches to whom the book was directed, not to some imagined future reader 2000 years removed from the book.. During the writing of this Book the church was under horible tribulation and persecution from ROME.

The whole world has been watching revelation unfold before their eyes. Its getting close to the end of this system. The beasts of revelation had to be in position for it to unfold.

 

[surada]

The whole world has been watching revelation unfold before their eyes. Its getting close to the end of this system. The beasts of revelation had to be in position for it to unfold.

John of Patmos was writing to the seven churches of the 1st century. Why do you think he was writing to people thousands of years into the future? Some 1st century history might help. It's important to understand the symbolism of their times.

 

[Clyde 154]

The whole world has been watching revelation unfold before their eyes. Its getting close to the end of this system. The beasts of revelation had to be in position for it to unfold.

The BEAST was and remains the Roman Empire......today its a wolf dressed in sheeps clothing, its representative is the false universal church that claims lineage from the Apostle Peter but was never established until centuries after the church that Christ built came into existence in the 1st century. The 1st pope was not commissioned until 5 centuries after Christ built His church. Rome used the chruch as a tool to rule the civilized world from the Vatican. The entire western world was controlled by a few self professed elite clergy located in Rome........

Anyone? Show me one passage, signified or literal in the Book of Revelation that even brings up the subject of the Anit-Christ. The term is non-existent in the book of Revelation. The anitchrist is not a person, but an antichristian doctrine that first appeared in the writings of John, as John clearly defines what the antichrist is, what it represents and when it first appeared. The term is addressed but a few times in the New Testament, all by John and describes the doctrine as any doctrine that denies that Jesus Christ was and is the Messiah of prophecy.

Read, be enlightened in a language that is not laced in symbolic text but LITERALISM. The word (antichrist) as translated means, "against Christ" or "false Christ, a substitute doctrine for Christianity". A passage from Mark (13:21-23) uses the same Greek word, Christ used it to describe those who pretend to be Christ.

1 John 2:18 demonstrates the term antichrist to mean a group of individuals, a false doctrine....not a single person. Also informing everyone that those type of doctrines already existed in the 1st century.

The anitchrist doctrine denies the deity and nature of Jesus Christ. (1 John 2:22-23)

The antichrist doctrine denies that Jesus even existed in the flesh (1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 7)

The anitchrist doctrine has been on earth since the 1st century. Its nothing new when anyone denies the truth presented by Jesus Christ or attempts to corrupt the truth by claiming New Revelations after the faith has once for all been delivered by the sainsts of the 1st century.

 

[kjw47]

John of Patmos was writing to the seven churches of the 1st century. Why do you think he was writing to people thousands of years into the future? Some 1st century history might help. It's important to understand the symbolism of their times.

The 7 headed beast is there now, the scarlet colored beast is there now. the 2 horned beast= final world power is there now.

 

[kjw47]

The BEAST was and remains the Roman Empire......today its a wolf dressed in sheeps clothing, its representative is the false universal church that claims lineage from the Apostle Peter but was never established until centuries after the church that Christ built came into existence in the 1st century. The 1st pope was not commissioned until 5 centuries after Christ built His church. Rome used the chruch as a tool to rule the civilized world from the Vatican. The entire western world was controlled by a few self professed elite clergy located in Rome........

Anyone? Show me one passage, signified or literal in the Book of Revelation that even brings up the subject of the Anit-Christ. The term is non-existent in the book of Revelation. The anitchrist is not a person, but an antichristian doctrine that first appeared in the writings of John, as John clearly defines what the antichrist is, what it represents and when it first appeared. The term is addressed but a few times in the New Testament, all by John and describes the doctrine as any doctrine that denies that Jesus Christ was and is the Messiah of prophecy.

Read, be enlightened in a language that is not laced in symbolic text but LITERALISM. The word (antichrist) as translated means, "against Christ" or "false Christ, a substitute doctrine for Christianity". A passage from Mark (13:21-23) uses the same Greek word, Christ used it to describe those who pretend to be Christ.

1 John 2:18 demonstrates the term antichrist to mean a group of individuals, a false doctrine....not a single person. Also informing everyone that those type of doctrines already existed in the 1st century.

The anitchrist doctrine denies the deity and nature of Jesus Christ. (1 John 2:22-23)

The antichrist doctrine denies that Jesus even existed in the flesh (1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 7)

The anitchrist doctrine has been on earth since the 1st century. Its nothing new when anyone denies the truth presented by Jesus Christ or attempts to corrupt the truth by claiming New Revelations after the faith has once for all been delivered by the sainsts of the 1st century.

the beast has 7 heads-Rome was #6-- the 7th is in place now= the 2 horned beast of Rev 13

 

[Clyde 154]

the beast has 7 heads-Rome was #6-- the 7th is in place now= the 2 horned beast of Rev 13

Indeed..........and what do you think is "symbolized" by the 7 heads? The beast with 7 heads is explained in (Rev. 17:3). The 7 heads represents the 7 kings or kingdoms conquered and controled by the Roman empire. The 7 heads reference mountains or high positions of power. The passage clearly points out that the 7 kingdoms/heads are controlled by a Women (Roman Empire, the great Harlet) sitting atop the 7 mountains. 5 of the heads or kingdoms have already fallen the 2 others will fall shortly (again........this passage declares the prophecy will come in a SHORT TIME........not 2000 years in the future).

When studying Revlation you simply can't make up suggestions and pretend your imagination comes from inspiration of God, when you have 39 Books of inspired writing from God in the Old Testament and 27 books of inspired writings in the New Testament to reference and compare the text to help understand what the symbolism means when compared to the LITERAL inspired works throughout the Holy Scriptures.

Example: Don't look to your mind to translate symbolism..........look to the actual inspired writings of God.

Example of translating Symbolism using the Holy Scriptures as a direct reference. The Beast rises from the sea in Revelation. When you search the scriptures to translate this symbolism we find in the Old Testament that a reference to the Sea represents a mass of peoples........like waves in the sea. (Ps. 65:7), Because the noise made by a great crowd or mob of peoples makes a noise like the ocean waves crashing on shore (Isa. 17:12), and wicked people are compared to angry sea waves (Isa. 57:20-21) Actually the sceen in Revelation is much like the passage in the Book of Daniel (7), thus........making such reference in comparison gives one a point to start in the attempt to comprehend the symbolism.

What I find amusing is the attempt by some to declare Revelation predicts this or that into some distant point in the future, they attempt to mold the actual scriptures around their man made doctrine and give literal meanings to a self professed book of SYMBOLS. Like attempting to declare in one breath that a thousand years symbolizes 1 day with the Lord...........(symblism) and then attempting to place a literal meaning to the next passage without skipping a breath. This is symbolic and this is literal........when the entire book is based upon symbolic text.

Example of the symbolism concerning the use of the langauge when using 1000 to indicate a period of time. Its not literalism its symbolism. A "1000 years" is used in the Bible to indicate a large complete set. Example ".........God will keep His mercy and covenant for a 1000 generations........" -- Deut. 7:9. Is Moses actually placing a time limit on Gods promises and oaths? Of course not, its symoblism to indicate that God is longsuffering and keeps His promise regardless of the length, God is always faithful to keep His word....God did not say that after a 1000 generations His covenant would end.........it simply represents a period of time.

(Ps. 50:10) is another example of using a 1000 years to make a promise. "For every beast of the forest is Mine, and the cattle of a THOUSAND HILLS." God is not saying there are just 1000 hills on earth is He? Of course not the 1000 simply represents a great number or complete set.........meaing ALL HILLS ON EARTH Belong to God.

Reality: Jesus has been sitting in reign of His Kingdom now for over 2000 years. When He comes back His reign will end after He judges the living and the dead. At this point the kingdom is given back to Father God (1 Cor. 15:24-26).......Jesus will not literally sit on a literal throne on earth for a literal 1000 years, He has been sitting on His throne now for 2x that length LITTERALY

 

[OneIsTheWord]

Greetings
who is the Woman that sits on seven Mountains, their seven heads

Revelation 17:1-13 (NKJV) Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication."
So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness.
And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Revelation 17:1 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.
And on her forehead, a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.
Note: The woman arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup on her hand

She arrayed precious stones

Revelation 17:7 But the angel said to me, "Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.
The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world when they see the beast that was and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 17:1 9 Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.
Revelation 17:10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.
The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.

Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.


Revelation 17:12 The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.
These are of one mind, and they will give their power daniel, and authority to the beast.
a hint Daniel 2:

 

[Clyde 154]

Greetings
who is the Woman that sits on seven Mountains, their seven heads

Revelation 17:1-13 (NKJV) Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication."
So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness.
And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Revelation 17:1 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.
And on her forehead, a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.
Note: The woman arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup on her hand

She arrayed precious stones

Revelation 17:7 But the angel said to me, "Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.
The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world when they see the beast that was and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 17:1 9 Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.
Revelation 17:10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.
The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.

Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.


Revelation 17:12 The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.
These are of one mind, and they will give their power daniel, and authority to the beast.
a hint Daniel 2:

You have failed to demonstrate how "your cults" attempt to translate symblism does away with the literal language in the Holy Scriptures that prove that Christ's 2nd coming will be to judge not rule. Who are we to accept as being truthful.........YOUR CULT, or the actual literal content of the Holy Scriptures that are all inspired by the same Holy Spirit of God. What? Are we to accept your ideology that has the Holy Spirit contradicting His own literal record found in the New Testment's other 26 books with your interpretation of the book of symbloms called Revelation?

Your cults problem? Your translation of the symbolism does not agree with the actual "literal" content of the Holy Scriptures and the inspired words of the Aposltes of Christ. Peter and Paul. What are they wrong and your cult truthful?

2 Peter and 1 Thess. prove your intepretation wrong.........or, the Holy Spirit has lied.

2 Peter 3:3-13. 2 thousand years ago Peter, under inspiration of God's Holy Spirit declared that in the last days (days that we have been living in since the day of Pentecost after the ascesion of Jesus -- Acts 2 as predicted by the prophet Joel)..............those last days would be filled with scoffers that said the Lord would not be coming a 2nd time, Peter declared that God had patience and longsuffering and used the symbolism of a 1000 years to declare that the Lord would keep His promise of His 2nd coming when God's longsuffering was over.

Peter then declared that the Day of Lord (the 2nd coming) would be like a thief in the night (no one would be expecting it.....the scoffers would be going about their daily rountines). Peter compared the 2nd coming with the destruction of the flood in the days of Noah......but instead of the world being consumed in water, at the 2nd coming the world would be destroyed in fire, with the elements both in heaven (the skies) and earth melting in fervent heat. The earth and the heavens would be destroyed with a "ROAR".

Peter goes on to ask, "Since the world will end this way.........what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live godly and righteous lifes and look forward to the day of the Lord, that day will bring about the destruction of the heavens (skies), we are looking forward to a new heaven and new earth........for the righteous.

Paul explains further in 1 Thess. 4, 5; 1 Cor. 15:51-53 Paul expects Jesus to bring with Him at His 2nd coming the righteous dead who have been in the paradise realm of Hades (the realm of the dead).........explaining how the blood of Christ will allow the righteous dead from previous generations to be judged and enter heaven at His 2nd coming. And the righteous still living will be caught up in the heavens, meeting Jesus in the AIR (skies) and be changed in the "twinkling of an eye" from physical bodies to spiritual bodies, while the unrighteous living and dead shall be judged to everlasting punishment. Paul makes it clear that Jesus will come down from Heaven and meet first the righteous that died in Christ, then all others, living and dead, the righteous and the unrighteous. Christ will not physically set foot on earth...........He will meet the faithful in the AIR.

Paul also states that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.

What about the symbolism of a New Heaven and a New Earth? Explained in Scripture.........the symbolism. (Rev. 21:1-8). Peter explains how the old passed away (2 Peter 3:7-13)........along with the passing of the old, the seas will no longer exist, this refers to the "crystal sea" that separated the people from God (Rev. 4:6,15:2), the people are no longer separated from the Lord.

The bride comes from from heaven and is called the New Jerusalem. It was mentioned in Rev. 3:12, Jerusalem was the capital of Biblical Israel, but the Old Jerusalem (the literal city, i.e, the Old Jerusalem was destroyed around 70 AD by the Roman Emprie) is replaced by the church...i.e., the Christ's church today (Gal. 4:25-26, Heb. 12:22), here there is no lasting city (Heb. 13:14), but the New Jerusalem will be different. The city is represented as a bride, pure, (Eph. 5:25-27)

Revelation 21:9-27 Symbolism of New Jerusalem

The New Jerusalem is founded upon the doctrine established by the Apostles of Christ, 12 foundation stones, corner stones (upon this rock I will build MY CHURCH -- Matt. 16) as explained by Paul (Eph 2:19-22)

The beauty of this New Jerusalem is difficult to comprehend (1 Cor. 2:9) compared to (Rev. 18:18).......the New City makes a strong contrast to the UGLY BEAUTY of the great Harlot. ROME.

Those inside the city....the New Jerusalem? A river of living water flows from the throne of God. This makes reference to the words of Jesus while living (John 4:10-11, 7:38). Linning the banks of the river of living water is the tree of life. This tree had been removed from the presence of humanity when he sinned (Genesis 2:9, 3:22). Thus.........the lost paradise of the Garden is restored to the righteous man of God in the New Jerusalem.

Also.......lifted too are the curses on man because of sin (death is overcome) (Genesis 3:14-19). God's face is no longer hidden from us (1 John 3:2) The New Jeruslaem is a kingdom without end........compared to the supposed 1000 yr. imagined reign.

 

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Indeed..........and what do you think is "symbolized" by the 7 heads? The beast with 7 heads is explained in (Rev. 17:3). The 7 heads represents the 7 kings or kingdoms conquered and controled by the Roman empire. The 7 heads reference mountains or high positions of power. The passage clearly points out that the 7 kingdoms/heads are controlled by a Women (Roman Empire, the great Harlet) sitting atop the 7 mountains. 5 of the heads or kingdoms have already fallen the 2 others will fall shortly (again........this passage declares the prophecy will come in a SHORT TIME........not 2000 years in the future).

When studying Revlation you simply can't make up suggestions and pretend your imagination comes from inspiration of God, when you have 39 Books of inspired writing from God in the Old Testament and 27 books of inspired writings in the New Testament to reference and compare the text to help understand what the symbolism means when compared to the LITERAL inspired works throughout the Holy Scriptures.

Example: Don't look to your mind to translate symbolism..........look to the actual inspired writings of God.

Example of translating Symbolism using the Holy Scriptures as a direct reference. The Beast rises from the sea in Revelation. When you search the scriptures to translate this symbolism we find in the Old Testament that a reference to the Sea represents a mass of peoples........like waves in the sea. (Ps. 65:7), Because the noise made by a great crowd or mob of peoples makes a noise like the ocean waves crashing on shore (Isa. 17:12), and wicked people are compared to angry sea waves (Isa. 57:20-21) Actually the sceen in Revelation is much like the passage in the Book of Daniel (7), thus........making such reference in comparison gives one a point to start in the attempt to comprehend the symbolism.

What I find amusing is the attempt by some to declare Revelation predicts this or that into some distant point in the future, they attempt to mold the actual scriptures around their man made doctrine and give literal meanings to a self professed book of SYMBOLS. Like attempting to declare in one breath that a thousand years symbolizes 1 day with the Lord...........(symblism) and then attempting to place a literal meaning to the next passage without skipping a breath. This is symbolic and this is literal........when the entire book is based upon symbolic text.

Example of the symbolism concerning the use of the langauge when using 1000 to indicate a period of time. Its not literalism its symbolism. A "1000 years" is used in the Bible to indicate a large complete set. Example ".........God will keep His mercy and covenant for a 1000 generations........" -- Deut. 7:9. Is Moses actually placing a time limit on Gods promises and oaths? Of course not, its symoblism to indicate that God is longsuffering and keeps His promise regardless of the length, God is always faithful to keep His word....God did not say that after a 1000 generations His covenant would end.........it simply represents a period of time.

(Ps. 50:10) is another example of using a 1000 years to make a promise. "For every beast of the forest is Mine, and the cattle of a THOUSAND HILLS." God is not saying there are just 1000 hills on earth is He? Of course not the 1000 simply represents a great number or complete set.........meaing ALL HILLS ON EARTH Belong to God.

Reality: Jesus has been sitting in reign of His Kingdom now for over 2000 years. When He comes back His reign will end after He judges the living and the dead. At this point the kingdom is given back to Father God (1 Cor. 15:24-26).......Jesus will not literally sit on a literal throne on earth for a literal 1000 years, He has been sitting on His throne now for 2x that length LITTERALY

Yes the 7 heads represent the 7 world powers of all time. The 7th stands now. The 2 horned beast of Rev 13. Actually Jesus received his crown at Rev 6, Referred to as the presence( Matt 24:3-2Peter3:4)-- The ride of the white horse= righteous war= the war in heaven-Michael is named on that ride, Satan and his angels defeated and were cast to the earth.-Thus-peace was taken from the earth=ww1- After ww1 millions upon millions dies all over the earth from things mentioned of the other 3 riders. Proving Michael is Jesus. That is one ride-and Jesus is shown making that ride as well at Rev 19:11--its the same ride because at rev 6 it says- to complete his conquest--its not complete until the end of rev 20, when he hands the kingdom back to his God and Father and subjects himself-1Cor 15:24-28---forever.
The1000 year reign begins at Armageddon-- when he begins to makes all things back to perfection, it takes 1000 years. When he hands the kingdom back all things are as God wanted to begin with, earth made a Eden( paradise) and all mortals perfect.

 

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You have failed to demonstrate how "your cults" attempt to translate symblism does away with the literal language in the Holy Scriptures that prove that Christ's 2nd coming will be to judge not rule. Who are we to accept as being truthful.........YOUR CULT, or the actual literal content of the Holy Scriptures that are all inspired by the same Holy Spirit of God. What? Are we to accept your ideology that has the Holy Spirit contradicting His own literal record found in the New Testment's other 26 books with your interpretation of the book of symbloms called Revelation?

Your cults problem? Your translation of the symbolism does not agree with the actual "literal" content of the Holy Scriptures and the inspired words of the Aposltes of Christ. Peter and Paul. What are they wrong and your cult truthful?

2 Peter and 1 Thess. prove your intepretation wrong.........or, the Holy Spirit has lied.

2 Peter 3:3-13. 2 thousand years ago Peter, under inspiration of God's Holy Spirit declared that in the last days (days that we have been living in since the day of Pentecost after the ascesion of Jesus -- Acts 2 as predicted by the prophet Joel)..............those last days would be filled with scoffers that said the Lord would not be coming a 2nd time, Peter declared that God had patience and longsuffering and used the symbolism of a 1000 years to declare that the Lord would keep His promise of His 2nd coming when God's longsuffering was over.

Peter then declared that the Day of Lord (the 2nd coming) would be like a thief in the night (no one would be expecting it.....the scoffers would be going about their daily rountines). Peter compared the 2nd coming with the destruction of the flood in the days of Noah......but instead of the world being consumed in water, at the 2nd coming the world would be destroyed in fire, with the elements both in heaven (the skies) and earth melting in fervent heat. The earth and the heavens would be destroyed with a "ROAR".

Peter goes on to ask, "Since the world will end this way.........what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live godly and righteous lifes and look forward to the day of the Lord, that day will bring about the destruction of the heavens (skies), we are looking forward to a new heaven and new earth........for the righteous.

Paul explains further in 1 Thess. 4, 5; 1 Cor. 15:51-53 Paul expects Jesus to bring with Him at His 2nd coming the righteous dead who have been in the paradise realm of Hades (the realm of the dead).........explaining how the blood of Christ will allow the righteous dead from previous generations to be judged and enter heaven at His 2nd coming. And the righteous still living will be caught up in the heavens, meeting Jesus in the AIR (skies) and be changed in the "twinkling of an eye" from physical bodies to spiritual bodies, while the unrighteous living and dead shall be judged to everlasting punishment. Paul makes it clear that Jesus will come down from Heaven and meet first the righteous that died in Christ, then all others, living and dead, the righteous and the unrighteous. Christ will not physically set foot on earth...........He will meet the faithful in the AIR.

Paul also states that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.

What about the symbolism of a New Heaven and a New Earth? Explained in Scripture.........the symbolism. (Rev. 21:1-8). Peter explains how the old passed away (2 Peter 3:7-13)........along with the passing of the old, the seas will no longer exist, this refers to the "crystal sea" that separated the people from God (Rev. 4:6,15:2), the people are no longer separated from the Lord.

The bride comes from from heaven and is called the New Jerusalem. It was mentioned in Rev. 3:12, Jerusalem was the capital of Biblical Israel, but the Old Jerusalem (the literal city, i.e, the Old Jerusalem was destroyed around 70 AD by the Roman Emprie) is replaced by the church...i.e., the Christ's church today (Gal. 4:25-26, Heb. 12:22), here there is no lasting city (Heb. 13:14), but the New Jerusalem will be different. The city is represented as a bride, pure, (Eph. 5:25-27)

Revelation 21:9-27 Symbolism of New Jerusalem

The New Jerusalem is founded upon the doctrine established by the Apostles of Christ, 12 foundation stones, corner stones (upon this rock I will build MY CHURCH -- Matt. 16) as explained by Paul (Eph 2:19-22)

The beauty of this New Jerusalem is difficult to comprehend (1 Cor. 2:9) compared to (Rev. 18:18).......the New City makes a strong contrast to the UGLY BEAUTY of the great Harlot. ROME.

Those inside the city....the New Jerusalem? A river of living water flows from the throne of God. This makes reference to the words of Jesus while living (John 4:10-11, 7:38). Linning the banks of the river of living water is the tree of life. This tree had been removed from the presence of humanity when he sinned (Genesis 2:9, 3:22). Thus.........the lost paradise of the Garden is restored to the righteous man of God in the New Jerusalem.

Also.......lifted too are the curses on man because of sin (death is overcome) (Genesis 3:14-19). God's face is no longer hidden from us (1 John 3:2) The New Jeruslaem is a kingdom without end........compared to the supposed 1000 yr. imagined reign.

greetings
try not to insult my intellect, I know much more than you, do not accuse my belief of a cult

this is what believe
The Anointing of the HolySpirit
1 John 5:7-9 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son.

In John 16:12-15, I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truths; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.

Then in 1 John 4:6, We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this, we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

In John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus the Christ.

Note
That which is born of the flesh is flesh. John 3:6

This is He who came by water and blood--Jesus Christ; not only by water but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness because the Spirit is truth. 1 John 5:6

And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one. 1 John 5:8
But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out. John 19:34; See Zech 12: 10.

John 7:38 (NKJV) ​

He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water."​

John 7:38 (KJV) He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.​

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Titus 3:5 (KJV)

If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son.

This is who came by the water and blood. Y’shua the Mashiyach; not by the water only, but by water and blood

And the Spirit testifies; because the Spirit is truth (note this is Divine Law)
Verse 7 is nonexistent is the Eastern Peshitta
And these are three witnesses, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three are in union.
If we receive the testimony of men, how much greater is the testimony of Elohim
Aramaic NT 6 – 9

John 3:1 - 21 1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: ​

The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. ​

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. ​

Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? ​

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. ​

To be born of water and of the spirit means to be born of the Holy Spirit. (Water), by the action of God the Holy Spirit. John 3:8,​

The Water of Life

​

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

John 4:10-15; 7:38 10Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst, but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
What manner of saying is this that he said, Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come?
On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Song of Solomon 4: A garden enclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.
Thy plants are an orchard of pomegranates, with pleasant fruits; camphire, with spikenard,
Spikenard and saffron; calamus and cinnamon, with all trees of frankincense; myrrh and aloes, with all the chief spices:
A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.

Ezekiel 47: 9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.

Daniel 12: 7: 5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river. And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and a half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Zechariah 14: And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Revelation 7: 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honor, and power, and might be unto our God forever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.


Psalm 8:2 (NKJV) Out of the mouth of babes and nursing infants You have ordained strength, Because of Your enemies, That You may silence the enemy and the avenger.

 

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greetings
try not to insult my intellect, I know much more than you, do not accuse my belief of a cult

this is what believe
The Anointing of the HolySpirit
1 John 5:7-9 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son.

In John 16:12-15, I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truths; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.

Then in 1 John 4:6, We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this, we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

In John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus the Christ.

Note
That which is born of the flesh is flesh. John 3:6

This is He who came by water and blood--Jesus Christ; not only by water but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness because the Spirit is truth. 1 John 5:6

And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one. 1 John 5:8
But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out. John 19:34; See Zech 12: 10.

John 7:38 (NKJV) ​

He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water."​

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John 7:38 (KJV) He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.​

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Titus 3:5 (KJV)

If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son.

This is who came by the water and blood. Y’shua the Mashiyach; not by the water only, but by water and blood

And the Spirit testifies; because the Spirit is truth (note this is Divine Law)
Verse 7 is nonexistent is the Eastern Peshitta
And these are three witnesses, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three are in union.
If we receive the testimony of men, how much greater is the testimony of Elohim
Aramaic NT 6 – 9

John 3:1 - 21 1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: ​

The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. ​

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. ​

Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? ​

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. ​

To be born of water and of the spirit means to be born of the Holy Spirit. (Water), by the action of God the Holy Spirit. John 3:8,​

The Water of Life
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John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

John 4:10-15; 7:38 10Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst, but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
What manner of saying is this that he said, Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come?
On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Song of Solomon 4: A garden enclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.
Thy plants are an orchard of pomegranates, with pleasant fruits; camphire, with spikenard,
Spikenard and saffron; calamus and cinnamon, with all trees of frankincense; myrrh and aloes, with all the chief spices:
A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.

Ezekiel 47: 9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.

Daniel 12: 7: 5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river. And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and a half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Zechariah 14: And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Revelation 7: 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honor, and power, and might be unto our God forever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.


Psalm 8:2 (NKJV) Out of the mouth of babes and nursing infants You have ordained strength, Because of Your enemies, That You may silence the enemy and the avenger.

Jesus is Gods appointed king. He will rule for 1000 years after (Rev 20:6)-Armageddon along with his bride=The little flock( Luke 12:32)=144,000 Rev 14:3)-To be kings and priests alongside Jesus on thrones as well. Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)
The great multitude of other sheep which no man can number-remain on earth forever-Matt 5:5, Psalm 37:29, Prov 2:21-22, Matt 24:22--They stand before the throne( Gods kingdom rule) on earth.

 

[surada]

Greetings
who is the Woman that sits on seven Mountains, their seven heads

Revelation 17:1-13 (NKJV) Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication."
So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness.
And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Revelation 17:1 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.
And on her forehead, a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.
Note: The woman arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup on her hand

She arrayed precious stones

Revelation 17:7 But the angel said to me, "Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.
The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world when they see the beast that was and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 17:1 9 Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.
Revelation 17:10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.
The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.

Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.


Revelation 17:12 The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.
These are of one mind, and they will give their power daniel, and authority to the beast.
a hint Daniel 2:

Jerusalem sits on seven hills. Rome wasn't involved with Babylon at all.

 

[Clyde 154]

Yes the 7 heads represent the 7 world powers of all time. The 7th stands now. The 2 horned beast of Rev 13. Actually Jesus received his crown at Rev 6, Referred to as the presence( Matt 24:3-2Peter3:4)-- The ride of the white horse= righteous war= the war in heaven-Michael is named on that ride, Satan and his angels defeated and were cast to the earth.-Thus-peace was taken from the earth=ww1- After ww1 millions upon millions dies all over the earth from things mentioned of the other 3 riders. Proving Michael is Jesus. That is one ride-and Jesus is shown making that ride as well at Rev 19:11--its the same ride because at rev 6 it says- to complete his conquest--its not complete until the end of rev 20, when he hands the kingdom back to his God and Father and subjects himself-1Cor 15:24-28---forever.
The1000 year reign begins at Armageddon-- when he begins to makes all things back to perfection, it takes 1000 years. When he hands the kingdom back all things are as God wanted to begin with, earth made a Eden( paradise) and all mortals perfect.

Yeah.........you know more than the inspired John who recorded the book of Revelation after an angel sent by Jesus sent the prophecy to John. (Rev. 1) You know more than the actual record found in the book that explains just who and what the 7 heads represents? LMAO. The 7 heads are explained within the BOOK itself (Rev. 17:3)

Instead of reading from your Cults own writings based upon a man made personal opinion to mold around a false doctrine.............actually read the scriptures as they are recorded. Again.......you take a prophecy that is clearly stated to take PLACE in a SHORT TIME........and declare it means Powers from ALL TIME?

Shortly: in the NEAR FUTURE.

 

[surada]

Yeah.........you know more than the inspired John who recorded the book of Revelation after an angel sent by Jesus sent the prophecy to John. (Rev. 1) You know more than the actual record found in the book that explains just who and what the 7 heads represents? LMAO. The 7 heads are explained within the BOOK itself (Rev. 17:3)

Instead of reading from your Cults own writings based upon a man made personal opinion to mold around a false doctrine.............actually read the scriptures as they are recorded. Again.......you take a prophecy that is clearly stated to take PLACE in a SHORT TIME........and declare it means Powers from ALL TIME?

Shortly: in the NEAR FUTURE.

Babylon is the mother of harlots.

 

[Clyde 154]

Babylon is the mother of harlots.

Yes.........in a "literal" sense from the Old Testment, but when you apply that information to a book of symbolism (Revelation) and that author explains the whore in question is represented by the Roman Empire, specifically the city of Rome, just as Babylon was represented as a whore/harlot, then its the Roman Empire that is the Harlot in John's signified prophecy. The Book is a book of that is "signified".

"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and SIGNIFIED by his angel unto his servant John." -- Rev. 1:1 You can't literally apply Babylon into a prophecy that is addressing events to shortly take place. Look to history actual........it was Rome and its Empire that was causing great tribulations and persecutions upon the young church of Christ, not Babylon....this persecution went on for a generation or 2 until Rome converted to Christianity. Which helped fulfill the prophecy and promise to Abraham when God informed him that his seed (Jesus) would be the gateway to the enemies of Abraham's lineage.

 

[surada]

Yes.........in a "literal" sense from the Old Testment, but when you apply that information to a book of symbolism (Revelation) and that author explains the whore in question is represented by the Roman Empire, then its the Roman Empire that is the Harlot in John's signified prophecy. The Book is a book of that is "signified".

"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and SIGNIFIED by his angel unto his servant John." -- Rev. 1:1

Nope. Rome never had anything to do with Babylon. The whore of Babylon is Israel. Look how often the prophets chastised Israel for whoring after false gods.

Martin Luther claimed Rome was the whore of Babylon after he fell out with the Catholic Church.