The catastrophic failure of progressive policy

[BasicHumanUnit]

 

[alang1216]

Wrong.

The founding fathers were very specific in their use of commas.

Wrong.

What "arms" meant, circa 1787​

I noted you didn't address any of my questions and instead focused on commas.

 

[alang1216]

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Rasmussen is hardly an unbiased source and I wonder if any of those asked even knew what socialism is?

 

[Burgermeister]

Progressive policy has been massively successful. It's goal is to destroy traditional American culture and values.

 

[alang1216]

Progressive policy has been massively successful. It's goal is to destroy traditional American culture and values.

Progressive policy is traditional American culture and values. America doesn't have slavery, civil rights are protected by law, women can vote, gays can marry, gov't social programs like SS and Medicare are very popular, etc.

 

[Markle]

Wrong.

What "arms" meant, circa 1787​

I noted you didn't address any of my questions and instead focused on commas.

Focusing on the commas focuses on the meaning of the Second Amendment.

As for the meaning of "arms".

arms​

/ (ɑːmz) /

---

pl n
weapons collectively See also small arms
military exploits prowess in arms
the official heraldic symbols of a family, state, etc, including a shield with distinctive devices, and often supports, a crest, or other insignia
bear arms

1. to carry weapons
2. to serve in the armed forces
3. to have a coat of arms
4. in arms or under arms armed and prepared for war
5. lay down one's arms to stop fighting; surrender present arms military
6. a position of salute in which the rifle is brought up to a position vertically in line with the body, muzzle uppermost and trigger guard to the fore
7. the command for this drill
8. take arms or take up arms to prepare to fight
9. to arms! arm yourselves!
10. up in arms indignant; prepared to protest strongly

 

[Concerned American]

Is there some reason you essentially repeat the same rant over and over again? Loon.

"Liberal" policy hasn't failed. Prior to social security more than half of the elderly lived below the poverty line.

Prior to OSHA, workplaces were unsafe.

Prior to Richard Nixon's EPA, your corporate scum could dump their toxins into our air and water with impunity.

Prior to wage and hour laws working people were forced into sweatshops for what were abusive and explorative wages.

Now shut up and post after you've learned something.

Thanks.

Richard Nixon was a liberal? Nice to know. Please follow your own advice in the next to last line of your post. Thanks.

 

[Concerned American]

America doesn't have slavery

No thanks to democrats. The originators of slavery, KKK, Jim Crow, lynchings et al.

 

[dudmuck]

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howbout a different take. Hopefully the bias between the two cancel out.

 

[alang1216]

No thanks to democrats.

Or Conservative Southerners.

 

[alang1216]

Focusing on the commas focuses on the meaning of the Second Amendment.

As for the meaning of "arms".

arms​

/ (ɑːmz) /

---

pl n
weapons collectively See also small arms
military exploits prowess in arms
the official heraldic symbols of a family, state, etc, including a shield with distinctive devices, and often supports, a crest, or other insignia
bear arms

1. to carry weapons
2. to serve in the armed forces
3. to have a coat of arms
4. in arms or under arms armed and prepared for war
5. lay down one's arms to stop fighting; surrender present arms military
6. a position of salute in which the rifle is brought up to a position vertically in line with the body, muzzle uppermost and trigger guard to the fore
7. the command for this drill
8. take arms or take up arms to prepare to fight
9. to arms! arm yourselves!
10. up in arms indignant; prepared to protest strongly

You forgot to list nuclear arms. The 2nd covers those too, right?

 

[Concerned American]

Or Conservative Southerners.

HaHaHa, nice try. Conservative southerners? You mean Dixiecrats!

 

[alang1216]

HaHaHa, nice try. Conservative southerners? You mean Dixiecrats!

Same difference. They were also White Christians, want to blame them too?

 

[Concerned American]

Same difference. They were also White Christians, want to blame them too?

No, They were DEMOCRATS. Thanks for the admission.

 

[P@triot]

What 'arms' are they referring to? Cannons? Silencers? Armor piercing bullets?

Yep. All of them and more. Do you not know what the word “arms” means?

Does a 'well regulated Militia' mean gun controls or gun registration?

Neither. A “well regulated militia” was the the why. It was the reason for the amendment. It is the prefatory clause and has such, has zero legal binding.

The truth is even the founding fathers differed in their understandings.

That’s not even remotely true. Not true at all. That’s just the propaganda of the disingenuous left who is super pissed off the U.S. Constitution prevents them from controlling everything and everyone.

When the US Constitution was ratified, there was total agreement on what it said (just as there is today by everyone educated and honest).

 

[P@triot]

Wrong.

What "arms" meant, circa 1787​

I noted you didn't address any of my questions and instead focused on commas.

Man, you really should have read that article before posting a link to it. Because it defeated your own argument

So where does all this historical research bring us? It seems fairly clear that the Founders and their informed contemporaries understood the term "arms" to be synonymous with what we call "weapons." They did not use that overarching meaning at all times, sometimes referring to particular types of weapons like small arms as simply "arms." But the Founders' generation were certainly willing to apply the term to more powerful and traditionally "military-only" weapons. This is evident in the writings that prove they thought it very important to have an armed populace capable of resisting foreign invasion and domestic tyranny alike.

Words have meaning. Pretending like the founders meant “muskets” when they wrote “arms” in a legally binding document is so disingenuous and unethical.

You know what it says. I know what it says. It’s time the left grew up and dropped the act.

 

[P@triot]

Progressive policy is traditional American culture and values.

So progressive policy supports traditional marriage? Because traditional marriage is traditional American culture and values.

Good, glad we agree that there is no place in society for gay marriage!

 

[P@triot]

You forgot to list nuclear arms. The 2nd covers those too, right?

It does. Not remind me again which company manufactures nuclear missiles and how much they sell for?

Oh yeah - not a single company in the US sells nuclear missiles. So I guess that desperate stretch isn’t a real concern for you after all, uh?

 

[dudmuck]

Rasmussen is hardly an unbiased source and I wonder if any of those asked even knew what socialism is?

 

[alang1216]

No, They were DEMOCRATS. Thanks for the admission.

Are you saying the Dixiecrats were not White, not Conservative, not Southern, and not Christian?

You are the poster child for CRT.