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As a person who battled city governments in 3 cities advocating for programs and organizations in majority black communities, if all this money was given as you want to claim things would be better than they are. But what has happened is these organizations get the minimum and white women are considered minorities. And there are a lot of smaller cities and towns with black populations that don't have cdc's.That's not even counting the DOZENS of inner city development grants and minority owned business grants that have existed for DECADES now...
You are looking for excuses. Rich blacks have faced racism too.
However income eligibility can be a part of all this to ease the minds of butthurt whites who have benefitted from government programs that blacks paid into and did not reap the benefits of.
You are looking for excuses. Rich blacks have faced racism too.
Rich people of ANY color dont need reparations. They've navigated the system and USED IT to get there. Through talent and education and persistence.. Successful and rich are NOT the hallmarks of a systemically racist society..
However income eligibility can be a part of all this to ease the minds of butthurt whites who have benefitted from government programs that blacks paid into and did not reap the benefits of.
Why just butthurt whites?? You KNOW that govt checks come from the pockets of working BLACK people also --- dontcha? And Asians and Hispanics who ARGUABLY should not be liable AT ALL "for the bill"...
I think you hurt your own cause when you insist that reparations hurt just butt hurt whites...
And then that money IS NOT available for general health, infrastructure, schools, etc... It doesn't just grow on trees.. At some POINT -- we'll all be looking at a debtor nation that can't pay the MASSIVE INTEREST on the money we're borrowing like counterfeiters on crack...
When it comes to reparations to provide economic equality to black Americans, though, it seems clear that a rising tide does not lift all boats, at least not to an equal level. As I see it, reparations are partly an acknowledgement of wrongs, and partly an attempt to put blacks on an equal footing, economically. Unemployment for blacks was the lowest it had ever been prior to the Covid shutdowns, but it was still double that of white Americans. Although blacks have achieved a lot of gains in education, white Americans still on average have 10 times the wealth of black Americans. While grants and programs to alleviate poverty for all are a great idea, they will not take care of that stubborn problem of economic inequality. Only investment specifically in black communities can do that. Or so the economists say.My mind is not entirely made up on this because there are a number of severely disadvantaged groups in this country who would not be owed reparations yet are stuck in dangerous, run down communities with crap schools and limited options, along with black people. IMO, at this point, this should be something seperate from reparation.
Here's a couple of articles that kick around different ideas for what reparations might look like and how they might work. Just for general information.
Why we need reparations for Black Americans | Brookings
Rashawn Ray and Andre Perry outline the history of reparations in the United States, missed opportunities to redress the racial wealth gap, and specific details for a viable reparations package for Black Americans.www.brookings.edu
What Reparations for Slavery Might Look Like in 2019 (Published 2019)
The idea of economic amends for past injustices and persistent disparities is getting renewed attention. Here are some formulas for achieving the aim.www.nytimes.com
White women have benefitted most by these policies flacaltenn. I'm not trying to find out why WW2 GI bill issues should never have been reparations.As a person who battled city governments in 3 cities advocating for programs and organizations in majority black communities, if all this money was given as you want to claim things would be better than they are. But what has happened is these organizations get the minimum and white women are considered minorities. And there are a lot of smaller cities and towns with black populations that don't have cdc's.That's not even counting the DOZENS of inner city development grants and minority owned business grants that have existed for DECADES now...
Not all these grants and programs allowed ALL minority participation.. Literally, a dozen or more different programs SINCE "the Great Society"...
And women are black also.. They get extra bonus points for "minority intersectionality"....
But back to reparations, do you understand WHY the WW2 GI bill issues should have NEVER been considered reparations? Even if they did not work well...
Rich people of ANY color dont need reparations. They've navigated the system and USED IT to get there. Through talent and education and persistence.. Successful and rich are NOT the hallmarks of a systemically racist society..
The government pays reparations to native Americans annually. It is a pittance and it should be much, much more. That is if you can actually configure a price for what was done to them.I'll say this generally - I disagree with the claim that we've paid reparations to Native Americans, we haven't. The poverty rate for Native Americans is 24% compared to 22% for blacks. If reparations was supposed to help that, it failed miserably. We have not reparations for our treatment of Native Americans.
Rich people of ANY color dont need reparations. They've navigated the system and USED IT to get there. Through talent and education and persistence.. Successful and rich are NOT the hallmarks of a systemically racist society..
Rich people face racism flacaltenn. You do not define what encompasses systemic racism. But I would doubt that the 36,000 millionaires and billionaires in the black community would take a reparations check. So lets stop looking for ways to say no, and start understanding that this discussion is going to be about the damage racism has done that has been unfixed as well as the continuing damage.
The government pays reparations to native Americans annually. It is a pittance and it should be much, much more. That is if you can actually configure a price for what was done to them.I'll say this generally - I disagree with the claim that we've paid reparations to Native Americans, we haven't. The poverty rate for Native Americans is 24% compared to 22% for blacks. If reparations was supposed to help that, it failed miserably. We have not reparations for our treatment of Native Americans.
You are right.The government pays reparations to native Americans annually. It is a pittance and it should be much, much more. That is if you can actually configure a price for what was done to them.I'll say this generally - I disagree with the claim that we've paid reparations to Native Americans, we haven't. The poverty rate for Native Americans is 24% compared to 22% for blacks. If reparations was supposed to help that, it failed miserably. We have not reparations for our treatment of Native Americans.
It's not just.
When it comes to reparations to provide economic equality to black Americans, though, it seems clear that a rising tide does not lift all boats, at least not to an equal level. As I see it, reparations are partly an acknowledgement of wrongs, and partly an attempt to put blacks on an equal footing, economically. Unemployment for blacks was the lowest it had ever been prior to the Covid shutdowns, but it was still double that of white Americans. Although blacks have achieved a lot of gains in education, white Americans still on average have 10 times the wealth of black Americans. While grants and programs to alleviate poverty for all are a great idea, they will not take care of that stubborn problem of economic inequality. Only investment specifically in black communities can do that. Or so the economists say.My mind is not entirely made up on this because there are a number of severely disadvantaged groups in this country who would not be owed reparations yet are stuck in dangerous, run down communities with crap schools and limited options, along with black people. IMO, at this point, this should be something seperate from reparation.
Here's a couple of articles that kick around different ideas for what reparations might look like and how they might work. Just for general information.
Why we need reparations for Black Americans | Brookings
Rashawn Ray and Andre Perry outline the history of reparations in the United States, missed opportunities to redress the racial wealth gap, and specific details for a viable reparations package for Black Americans.
What Reparations for Slavery Might Look Like in 2019 (Published 2019)
The idea of economic amends for past injustices and persistent disparities is getting renewed attention. Here are some formulas for achieving the aim.
When it comes to reparations to provide economic equality to black Americans, though, it seems clear that a rising tide does not lift all boats, at least not to an equal level. As I see it, reparations are partly an acknowledgement of wrongs, and partly an attempt to put blacks on an equal footing, economically. Unemployment for blacks was the lowest it had ever been prior to the Covid shutdowns, but it was still double that of white Americans. Although blacks have achieved a lot of gains in education, white Americans still on average have 10 times the wealth of black Americans. While grants and programs to alleviate poverty for all are a great idea, they will not take care of that stubborn problem of economic inequality. Only investment specifically in black communities can do that. Or so the economists say.My mind is not entirely made up on this because there are a number of severely disadvantaged groups in this country who would not be owed reparations yet are stuck in dangerous, run down communities with crap schools and limited options, along with black people. IMO, at this point, this should be something seperate from reparation.
Here's a couple of articles that kick around different ideas for what reparations might look like and how they might work. Just for general information.
Why we need reparations for Black Americans | Brookings
Rashawn Ray and Andre Perry outline the history of reparations in the United States, missed opportunities to redress the racial wealth gap, and specific details for a viable reparations package for Black Americans.
What Reparations for Slavery Might Look Like in 2019 (Published 2019)
The idea of economic amends for past injustices and persistent disparities is getting renewed attention. Here are some formulas for achieving the aim.
White college graduates have over seven times more wealth than Black college graduates.
Making the American Dream an equitable reality demands the same U.S. government that denied wealth to Blacks restore that deferred wealth through reparations to their descendants in the form of individual cash payments in the amount that will close the Black-white racial wealth divide.
When it comes to reparations to provide economic equality to black Americans, though, it seems clear that a rising tide does not lift all boats, at least not to an equal level. As I see it, reparations are partly an acknowledgement of wrongs, and partly an attempt to put blacks on an equal footing, economically. Unemployment for blacks was the lowest it had ever been prior to the Covid shutdowns, but it was still double that of white Americans. Although blacks have achieved a lot of gains in education, white Americans still on average have 10 times the wealth of black Americans. While grants and programs to alleviate poverty for all are a great idea, they will not take care of that stubborn problem of economic inequality. Only investment specifically in black communities can do that. Or so the economists say.My mind is not entirely made up on this because there are a number of severely disadvantaged groups in this country who would not be owed reparations yet are stuck in dangerous, run down communities with crap schools and limited options, along with black people. IMO, at this point, this should be something seperate from reparation.
Here's a couple of articles that kick around different ideas for what reparations might look like and how they might work. Just for general information.
Why we need reparations for Black Americans | Brookings
Rashawn Ray and Andre Perry outline the history of reparations in the United States, missed opportunities to redress the racial wealth gap, and specific details for a viable reparations package for Black Americans.
What Reparations for Slavery Might Look Like in 2019 (Published 2019)
The idea of economic amends for past injustices and persistent disparities is getting renewed attention. Here are some formulas for achieving the aim.When it comes to reparations to provide economic equality to black Americans, though, it seems clear that a rising tide does not lift all boats, at least not to an equal level. As I see it, reparations are partly an acknowledgement of wrongs, and partly an attempt to put blacks on an equal footing, economically. Unemployment for blacks was the lowest it had ever been prior to the Covid shutdowns, but it was still double that of white Americans. Although blacks have achieved a lot of gains in education, white Americans still on average have 10 times the wealth of black Americans. While grants and programs to alleviate poverty for all are a great idea, they will not take care of that stubborn problem of economic inequality. Only investment specifically in black communities can do that. Or so the economists say.My mind is not entirely made up on this because there are a number of severely disadvantaged groups in this country who would not be owed reparations yet are stuck in dangerous, run down communities with crap schools and limited options, along with black people. IMO, at this point, this should be something seperate from reparation.
Here's a couple of articles that kick around different ideas for what reparations might look like and how they might work. Just for general information.
Why we need reparations for Black Americans | Brookings
Rashawn Ray and Andre Perry outline the history of reparations in the United States, missed opportunities to redress the racial wealth gap, and specific details for a viable reparations package for Black Americans.
What Reparations for Slavery Might Look Like in 2019 (Published 2019)
The idea of economic amends for past injustices and persistent disparities is getting renewed attention. Here are some formulas for achieving the aim.
Thanks.. From your 1st article we get statements like ---
White college graduates have over seven times more wealth than Black college graduates.
This isn't BECAUSE they can't hired because of racism.. It's because of the CAREERS they largely choose.. Black representation is SORELY lacking in ALL the engineering fields (as I once pointed out to Jessie Jackson in an Op-Ed challenging him to send me a trainload of recent black engineers to Silicon Valley and I'd get them all placed)... Also UNDER-represented in the hard sciences with the exception of Medical careers. Too many wasted college experiences taking black studies, political science. Not that they weren't interested in STEM careers, but many were damaged by inadequate K-12 prep to carry thru on a college degree...
Making the American Dream an equitable reality demands the same U.S. government that denied wealth to Blacks restore that deferred wealth through reparations to their descendants in the form of individual cash payments in the amount that will close the Black-white racial wealth divide.
This is not a solution.. Writing checks does not fix even the EXISTING inequities in education, health, and all the other problems of poor communities.. In fact, as I pointed out -- it DRAINS funds from being used to FIX these inequities... You can write them for the REMAINDER of a generation and the underlying causes of poverty are STILL THERE for blacks as well as whites. We're 60 years and $trillions in the Great Society and it hasn't worked for blacks OR whites.. And then after THAT generation -- you'll have the NEXT generation demanding the same thing.. What has the 60 years of "great society" programs improved???
Also irks me greatly that a lot of same people suggesting nebulous reparations are of the same political mind that tell long lines of poor black mothers that their kids dont have a CHOICE in their schools.. Also the same mind that wants to CONFISCATE EXISTING WEALTH and tax dead people and REDUCE the GAINS of that generation that they can hand to their kids..
Imagine the impact TODAY of reinstating massive "death taxes" (or even REGULAR taxes) on the top 5% of BLACK wealthy.. Does that IMPROVE the white/black wealth gap?? MAYBE.. BUT it would hurt the black gains in a greater manner.. Because ACCUMULATING family wealth would be "off the table"...
Learn to understand that I don't miss anything you say. So when the day comes that government is not run by people let me know. Damages can be paid at any time and as the OP showed, the government missed several chances to get the job done.These are excuses flacaltenn. The government made the laws and you cannot excuse this with your attempt to try separating the government from the general public.This is an Invite Only thread. If your member name does not appear in the alert call list -- DO NOT POST HERE -- do not even use the rating buttons on posts in this thread.
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There are way too many misguided and ignorant notions about reparations. Reparations would be demanded from the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT for policies enacted by the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. The policies created by the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT were not done to exclude single individuals, nor did single individuals decide to implement the policies by themselves.
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History of reparations in the United States
Reparations—a system of redress for egregious injustices—are not foreign to the United States. Native Americans have received land and billions of dollars for various benefits and programs for being forcibly exiled from their native lands. For Japanese Americans, $1.5 billion was paid to those who were interned during World War II. Additionally, the United States, via the Marshall Plan, helped to ensure that Jews received reparations for the Holocaust, including making various investments over time. In 1952, West Germany agreed to pay 3.45 billion Deutsche Marks to Holocaust survivors.
Black Americans are the only group that has not received reparations for state-sanctioned racial discrimination, while slavery afforded some white families the ability to accrue tremendous wealth. And, we must note that American slavery was particularly brutal. About 15 percent of the enslaved shipped from Western Africa died during transport. The enslaved were regularly beaten and lynched for frivolous infractions. Slavery also disrupted families as one in three marriages were split up and one in five children were separated from their parents. The case for reparations can be made on economic, social, and moral grounds. The United States had multiple opportunities to atone for slavery—each a missed chance to make the American Dream a reality—but has yet to undertake significant action.
Missed policy opportunities to atone for slavery with reparations
40 Acres and a Mule
The first major opportunity that the United States had and where it should have atoned for slavery was right after the Civil War. Union leaders including General William Sherman concluded that each Black family should receive 40 acres. Sherman signed Field Order 15 and allocated 400,000 acres of confiscated Confederate land to Black families. Additionally, some families were to receive mules left over from the war, hence 40 acres and a mule.
Yet, after President Abraham Lincoln’s assassination, President Andrew Johnson reversed Field Order 15 and returned land back to former slave owners. Instead of giving Blacks the means to support themselves, the federal government empowered former enslavers. For example, in Washington D.C., slave owners were actually paid reparations for lost property—the formally enslaved. This practice was also common in nearby states. Many Black Americans with limited work options returned as sharecroppers to till the same land for the very slave owners to whom they were once enslaved. Slave owners not only made money off the chattel enslavement of Black Americans, but they then made money multiple times over off the land that the formerly enslaved had no choice but to work.
The New Deal
There’s never a bad time to do what’s morally right, but the United States has had prime opportunities to atone for slavery. In the 1930s, the United States was reeling from the 1929 stock market crash and was firmly engulfed in the Great Depression. The Franklin Roosevelt administration implemented a series of policies as part of his New Deal legislation, estimated to cost roughly $50 billion then, to catapult the country out of depression. Current estimates price the New Deal at about $50 trillion.
Two particular policies of the New Deal fell short in redressing American’s racial wrongs—the G.I. Bill and Social Security. Though white and Black Americans fought in WWII, Black veterans could not redeem their post-war benefits like their white peers. While the G.I. Bill was mandated federally, it was implemented locally. The presence of racial housing covenants and redlining among local municipalities prohibited Blacks from utilizing federal benefits. White soldiers were afforded the opportunity to build wealth by sending themselves and their children to college and by obtaining housing and small business grants.
Regarding Social Security, two key professions that would have improved equity in America were excluded from the legislation—domestic and farm workers. These omissions effectively excluded 60 percent of Blacks across the U.S. and 75 percent in southern states who worked in these occupations. Roosevelt bargained these exclusionary provisions in the legislation on the backs of Black veterans and workers in order to propel mostly white America out of the Great Depression.
There are other policies and practices that contributed to racial wealth gap. Government-sanctioned discrimination related to the 1862 Homestead Act, redlining, restrictive covenants, and convict leasing blocked Blacks from the ability to gain wealth at similar rates as whites. Separate from slavery, damages should be awarded to Black people who were harmed by these policies and practices.
Why we need reparations for Black Americans | Brookings
Rashawn Ray and Andre Perry outline the history of reparations in the United States, missed opportunities to redress the racial wealth gap, and specific details for a viable reparations package for Black Americans.
Pretty depressing picture of the past -- but accurate in facts.. Some of the assertions however, aren't that clear..
Trying to reparate while the dishonor and offenses ARE STILL ACCUMULATING just isn't practical.. At the time of New Deal -- it would be over 40 years before the FUNDAMENTAL govt issues with Civil Rights would begin to be resolved. So damages were ACCRUING faster than a one time payment during the New Deal would have fixed..
Similar logical failings on the GI bill housing issues. The war itself was an awakening of racial disparity and justice. But it took another decade or so for that to sink in because of all the post war trauma that had to be resolved. Main point on GI bill is that it should NEVER have been considered as reparations, because those payments were DUE AND PAYABLE at time of discharge for service and valor. Would NEVER be reparations beyond the service for which it was awarded.. Reparations would be in EXCESS of those benefits..
Housing covenants still linger today, but are now unenforceable. And in most of these cases, its ALL COMPLETELY GOVERNMENT failures to "do the right thing" not a collective debt from the general public who then and now -- have little REAL effect on political reform because of the priorities of politicians and parties...
You didn't read or did not understand any of the points I made about the TIMING of reparations with respect to the comments in the OP about the "new deal" or WW2 GI benefits...
You reply just repeats the OBVIOUS that I wrote to you.. That GOVERNMENT remained racist in America for 100 years AFTER the Civil War... You cannot "pay the bill for damages" while a HUNDRED YEARS of damages are STILL ACCRUING !!!!
And I told you that this government neglect of immorality is NOT the people's responsibility because the GOVERNMENT stopped being responsive to the people decades ago...
When it comes to reparations to provide economic equality to black Americans, though, it seems clear that a rising tide does not lift all boats, at least not to an equal level. As I see it, reparations are partly an acknowledgement of wrongs, and partly an attempt to put blacks on an equal footing, economically. Unemployment for blacks was the lowest it had ever been prior to the Covid shutdowns, but it was still double that of white Americans. Although blacks have achieved a lot of gains in education, white Americans still on average have 10 times the wealth of black Americans. While grants and programs to alleviate poverty for all are a great idea, they will not take care of that stubborn problem of economic inequality. Only investment specifically in black communities can do that. Or so the economists say.My mind is not entirely made up on this because there are a number of severely disadvantaged groups in this country who would not be owed reparations yet are stuck in dangerous, run down communities with crap schools and limited options, along with black people. IMO, at this point, this should be something seperate from reparation.
Here's a couple of articles that kick around different ideas for what reparations might look like and how they might work. Just for general information.
Why we need reparations for Black Americans | Brookings
Rashawn Ray and Andre Perry outline the history of reparations in the United States, missed opportunities to redress the racial wealth gap, and specific details for a viable reparations package for Black Americans.
What Reparations for Slavery Might Look Like in 2019 (Published 2019)
The idea of economic amends for past injustices and persistent disparities is getting renewed attention. Here are some formulas for achieving the aim.When it comes to reparations to provide economic equality to black Americans, though, it seems clear that a rising tide does not lift all boats, at least not to an equal level. As I see it, reparations are partly an acknowledgement of wrongs, and partly an attempt to put blacks on an equal footing, economically. Unemployment for blacks was the lowest it had ever been prior to the Covid shutdowns, but it was still double that of white Americans. Although blacks have achieved a lot of gains in education, white Americans still on average have 10 times the wealth of black Americans. While grants and programs to alleviate poverty for all are a great idea, they will not take care of that stubborn problem of economic inequality. Only investment specifically in black communities can do that. Or so the economists say.My mind is not entirely made up on this because there are a number of severely disadvantaged groups in this country who would not be owed reparations yet are stuck in dangerous, run down communities with crap schools and limited options, along with black people. IMO, at this point, this should be something seperate from reparation.
Here's a couple of articles that kick around different ideas for what reparations might look like and how they might work. Just for general information.
Why we need reparations for Black Americans | Brookings
Rashawn Ray and Andre Perry outline the history of reparations in the United States, missed opportunities to redress the racial wealth gap, and specific details for a viable reparations package for Black Americans.
What Reparations for Slavery Might Look Like in 2019 (Published 2019)
The idea of economic amends for past injustices and persistent disparities is getting renewed attention. Here are some formulas for achieving the aim.
Thanks.. From your 1st article we get statements like ---
White college graduates have over seven times more wealth than Black college graduates.
This isn't BECAUSE they can't hired because of racism.. It's because of the CAREERS they largely choose.. Black representation is SORELY lacking in ALL the engineering fields (as I once pointed out to Jessie Jackson in an Op-Ed challenging him to send me a trainload of recent black engineers to Silicon Valley and I'd get them all placed)... Also UNDER-represented in the hard sciences with the exception of Medical careers. Too many wasted college experiences taking black studies, political science. Not that they weren't interested in STEM careers, but many were damaged by inadequate K-12 prep to carry thru on a college degree...
Making the American Dream an equitable reality demands the same U.S. government that denied wealth to Blacks restore that deferred wealth through reparations to their descendants in the form of individual cash payments in the amount that will close the Black-white racial wealth divide.
This is not a solution.. Writing checks does not fix even the EXISTING inequities in education, health, and all the other problems of poor communities.. In fact, as I pointed out -- it DRAINS funds from being used to FIX these inequities... You can write them for the REMAINDER of a generation and the underlying causes of poverty are STILL THERE for blacks as well as whites. We're 60 years and $trillions in the Great Society and it hasn't worked for blacks OR whites.. And then after THAT generation -- you'll have the NEXT generation demanding the same thing.. What has the 60 years of "great society" programs improved???
Also irks me greatly that a lot of same people suggesting nebulous reparations are of the same political mind that tell long lines of poor black mothers that their kids dont have a CHOICE in their schools.. Also the same mind that wants to CONFISCATE EXISTING WEALTH and tax dead people and REDUCE the GAINS of that generation that they can hand to their kids..
Imagine the impact TODAY of reinstating massive "death taxes" (or even REGULAR taxes) on the top 5% of BLACK wealthy.. Does that IMPROVE the white/black wealth gap?? MAYBE.. BUT it would hurt the black gains in a greater manner.. Because ACCUMULATING family wealth would be "off the table"...
I don't think that's a good argument - the "death taxes" only affected a very small percent of people - very small.
When it comes to reparations to provide economic equality to black Americans, though, it seems clear that a rising tide does not lift all boats, at least not to an equal level. As I see it, reparations are partly an acknowledgement of wrongs, and partly an attempt to put blacks on an equal footing, economically. Unemployment for blacks was the lowest it had ever been prior to the Covid shutdowns, but it was still double that of white Americans. Although blacks have achieved a lot of gains in education, white Americans still on average have 10 times the wealth of black Americans. While grants and programs to alleviate poverty for all are a great idea, they will not take care of that stubborn problem of economic inequality. Only investment specifically in black communities can do that. Or so the economists say.My mind is not entirely made up on this because there are a number of severely disadvantaged groups in this country who would not be owed reparations yet are stuck in dangerous, run down communities with crap schools and limited options, along with black people. IMO, at this point, this should be something seperate from reparation.
Here's a couple of articles that kick around different ideas for what reparations might look like and how they might work. Just for general information.
Why we need reparations for Black Americans | Brookings
Rashawn Ray and Andre Perry outline the history of reparations in the United States, missed opportunities to redress the racial wealth gap, and specific details for a viable reparations package for Black Americans.
What Reparations for Slavery Might Look Like in 2019 (Published 2019)
The idea of economic amends for past injustices and persistent disparities is getting renewed attention. Here are some formulas for achieving the aim.When it comes to reparations to provide economic equality to black Americans, though, it seems clear that a rising tide does not lift all boats, at least not to an equal level. As I see it, reparations are partly an acknowledgement of wrongs, and partly an attempt to put blacks on an equal footing, economically. Unemployment for blacks was the lowest it had ever been prior to the Covid shutdowns, but it was still double that of white Americans. Although blacks have achieved a lot of gains in education, white Americans still on average have 10 times the wealth of black Americans. While grants and programs to alleviate poverty for all are a great idea, they will not take care of that stubborn problem of economic inequality. Only investment specifically in black communities can do that. Or so the economists say.My mind is not entirely made up on this because there are a number of severely disadvantaged groups in this country who would not be owed reparations yet are stuck in dangerous, run down communities with crap schools and limited options, along with black people. IMO, at this point, this should be something seperate from reparation.
Here's a couple of articles that kick around different ideas for what reparations might look like and how they might work. Just for general information.
Why we need reparations for Black Americans | Brookings
Rashawn Ray and Andre Perry outline the history of reparations in the United States, missed opportunities to redress the racial wealth gap, and specific details for a viable reparations package for Black Americans.
What Reparations for Slavery Might Look Like in 2019 (Published 2019)
The idea of economic amends for past injustices and persistent disparities is getting renewed attention. Here are some formulas for achieving the aim.
Thanks.. From your 1st article we get statements like ---
White college graduates have over seven times more wealth than Black college graduates.
This isn't BECAUSE they can't hired because of racism.. It's because of the CAREERS they largely choose.. Black representation is SORELY lacking in ALL the engineering fields (as I once pointed out to Jessie Jackson in an Op-Ed challenging him to send me a trainload of recent black engineers to Silicon Valley and I'd get them all placed)... Also UNDER-represented in the hard sciences with the exception of Medical careers. Too many wasted college experiences taking black studies, political science. Not that they weren't interested in STEM careers, but many were damaged by inadequate K-12 prep to carry thru on a college degree...
Making the American Dream an equitable reality demands the same U.S. government that denied wealth to Blacks restore that deferred wealth through reparations to their descendants in the form of individual cash payments in the amount that will close the Black-white racial wealth divide.
This is not a solution.. Writing checks does not fix even the EXISTING inequities in education, health, and all the other problems of poor communities.. In fact, as I pointed out -- it DRAINS funds from being used to FIX these inequities... You can write them for the REMAINDER of a generation and the underlying causes of poverty are STILL THERE for blacks as well as whites. We're 60 years and $trillions in the Great Society and it hasn't worked for blacks OR whites.. And then after THAT generation -- you'll have the NEXT generation demanding the same thing.. What has the 60 years of "great society" programs improved???
Also irks me greatly that a lot of same people suggesting nebulous reparations are of the same political mind that tell long lines of poor black mothers that their kids dont have a CHOICE in their schools.. Also the same mind that wants to CONFISCATE EXISTING WEALTH and tax dead people and REDUCE the GAINS of that generation that they can hand to their kids..
Imagine the impact TODAY of reinstating massive "death taxes" (or even REGULAR taxes) on the top 5% of BLACK wealthy.. Does that IMPROVE the white/black wealth gap?? MAYBE.. BUT it would hurt the black gains in a greater manner.. Because ACCUMULATING family wealth would be "off the table"...
I don't think that's a good argument - the "death taxes" only affected a very small percent of people - very small.
It's very small until you listen to the fact that it contains an EXTRAORDINARY PERCENT of what CAUSES "the wealth gap".. You cant be after the 1% as the cause of all economic injustice and at the same time -- saying it DOES NOT matter because "its a small percent of people"...
The government pays reparations to native Americans annually. It is a pittance and it should be much, much more. That is if you can actually configure a price for what was done to them.I'll say this generally - I disagree with the claim that we've paid reparations to Native Americans, we haven't. The poverty rate for Native Americans is 24% compared to 22% for blacks. If reparations was supposed to help that, it failed miserably. We have not reparations for our treatment of Native Americans.
I thought that Brookings article sounded familiar.....lolWhen it comes to reparations to provide economic equality to black Americans, though, it seems clear that a rising tide does not lift all boats, at least not to an equal level. As I see it, reparations are partly an acknowledgement of wrongs, and partly an attempt to put blacks on an equal footing, economically. Unemployment for blacks was the lowest it had ever been prior to the Covid shutdowns, but it was still double that of white Americans. Although blacks have achieved a lot of gains in education, white Americans still on average have 10 times the wealth of black Americans. While grants and programs to alleviate poverty for all are a great idea, they will not take care of that stubborn problem of economic inequality. Only investment specifically in black communities can do that. Or so the economists say.My mind is not entirely made up on this because there are a number of severely disadvantaged groups in this country who would not be owed reparations yet are stuck in dangerous, run down communities with crap schools and limited options, along with black people. IMO, at this point, this should be something seperate from reparation.
Here's a couple of articles that kick around different ideas for what reparations might look like and how they might work. Just for general information.
Why we need reparations for Black Americans | Brookings
Rashawn Ray and Andre Perry outline the history of reparations in the United States, missed opportunities to redress the racial wealth gap, and specific details for a viable reparations package for Black Americans.
What Reparations for Slavery Might Look Like in 2019 (Published 2019)
The idea of economic amends for past injustices and persistent disparities is getting renewed attention. Here are some formulas for achieving the aim.
Good articles! I recognize one from what IM2 quoted from. I have to think about this.
Okay. So you're saying we can't afford it. And even if we could, the government would screw it up. That's part of why the reparations (actually it was called a "Settlement," not reparations), to the Maine tribes worked fairly well. The government had nothing to do with it except handing over the money (except very broad stipulations that a certain amount of the money would be spent on purchasing land). The tribes, who had all the information and knew what needed to be done, took the cash and used it.The government pays reparations to native Americans annually. It is a pittance and it should be much, much more. That is if you can actually configure a price for what was done to them.I'll say this generally - I disagree with the claim that we've paid reparations to Native Americans, we haven't. The poverty rate for Native Americans is 24% compared to 22% for blacks. If reparations was supposed to help that, it failed miserably. We have not reparations for our treatment of Native Americans.
Even WORSE -- the US govt has RAIDED the "Indian Trust Fund".. Which was THEIR MONEY from resources mined and harvested from Indian LANDS !!!! It's GONE.. That's what they were "PAYING" the Indians from.. Their OWN money.. Now we have to have China finance debt to pay the Indians back... ALL OF US -- you included... Because the US Govt MISMANAGED the "trust fund" as they have with the Soc Sec Trust Fund..
That would be part of the answer but individual japanese got checks and there was no problem. So what I am trying to to say is that a portion of the money should be paid to individuals to provide an economic stimulus to black businesses and to allow purchases of property in order to equalize individual wealth. This idea of reparations started nearly 60 years ago. Most other blacks I know have a plan for what they would use the money for. Personally I'd go back to work either starting a Advertising /PR firm or start a public radio or TV station in my hometown depending on the amount of the check..Okay. So you're saying we can't afford it. And even if we could, the government would screw it up. That's part of why the reparations (actually it was called a "Settlement," not reparations), to the Maine tribes worked fairly well. The government had nothing to do with it except handing over the money (except very broad stipulations that a certain amount of the money would be spent on purchasing land). The tribes, who had all the information and knew what needed to be done, took the cash and used it.The government pays reparations to native Americans annually. It is a pittance and it should be much, much more. That is if you can actually configure a price for what was done to them.I'll say this generally - I disagree with the claim that we've paid reparations to Native Americans, we haven't. The poverty rate for Native Americans is 24% compared to 22% for blacks. If reparations was supposed to help that, it failed miserably. We have not reparations for our treatment of Native Americans.
Even WORSE -- the US govt has RAIDED the "Indian Trust Fund".. Which was THEIR MONEY from resources mined and harvested from Indian LANDS !!!! It's GONE.. That's what they were "PAYING" the Indians from.. Their OWN money.. Now we have to have China finance debt to pay the Indians back... ALL OF US -- you included... Because the US Govt MISMANAGED the "trust fund" as they have with the Soc Sec Trust Fund..
That's why I thought some of the organizations already working to better the black community would have a better more effective handle on what would do the most good than individuals checks.
