Quantum Windbag
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Would you apply this to medical costs in the event of a biological terror attack?
If there were a biological terror attack money would be worthless.
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Would you apply this to medical costs in the event of a biological terror attack?
Imagine a world where we actually had a free market and people could get what they need.
Gas lines in New Jersey: The state needs more price gouging.
Perhaps a good place to start would be if we stopped defining "price gouging" as "charging more for something than I personally want to pay". God, I get so tired of the spoiled little babies in adult bodies who spend their whole lives whining that someone should make the world magically perfect and eternally convenient for them.
then why don't you stop?
If you don't want to buy gas from them...DON'T! If too many people are too chickenshit to buy from them, they won't come.
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whether or not i buy from them has no effect on how safe they are.
duh
You people have no clue how the free market works. If enough people felt gypsy gas sellers were too unsafe, and did not buy from them, the sellers would not be able to succeed. So gypsy sellers would have to make their operations safe enough for people to feel comfortable buying gas from them.
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The reason these laws exist is because after a disaster, regardless of size, consumers are stuck with enormous costs connected to survival and rebuilding, plus the loss of income from work. They can't afford to pay $7 per gallon (yeah, it's $7, not $6) for gas.
Anyone that takes advantage of someone that's suffering, that may even have lost a family member, deserves to die alone in the rain in a dark alley.
The reason these laws exist is because after a disaster, regardless of size, consumers are stuck with enormous costs connected to survival and rebuilding, plus the loss of income from work. They can't afford to pay $7 per gallon (yeah, it's $7, not $6) for gas.
Anyone that takes advantage of someone that's suffering, that may even have lost a family member, deserves to die alone in the rain in a dark alley.
That's why it's called a "disaster", honey: because it sucks.
There's no "taking advantage of" involved in adjusting prices to reflect the scarcity caused by a disaster. The only "taking advantage of" happening here is the poor, downtrodden little "victims" who "can't afford more expensive gas", and so have used the unscrupulous politicians who pander to them to legally rob the people selling gasoline.
i've seen you are a racist twat, and i understand your post is retarded like normal.So option 1 for you, then.
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no i said option 3. Law and order. I see you are one of those slimy people who are willing to take advantage of people in need.
I see you're one of those slimy people who thinks prices are pulled randomly out of people's asses, and education and intelligence are evil.
But then, I've seen that about you before.
I wanno know why the gas companies price gouged me .40/gal for the storm?
Was 3.09 went to 3.49 overnight with the storm.
I get no oil products from the NE.
Ok this isnt a free market problem.....
I know, it is a government regulation problem. In a free market there would be gas in New Jersey.
no, not really, but keep trying.
Have you asked yourself why they don't have generators? Or do you just assume you know the answer?
money and laziness?
In other words, no. You didn't ask, you don't know, and you don't care to know. Facts and research just mess up your worldview.
You say "law and order" to explain why you don't like the idea of someone buying gas from a gypsy seller. You clearly are using circular logic. You don't like it because it is illegal.
If it was legal, you would be in favor it, right? Because it is legal. Law and order, and all that good stuff.
So you are opposed to the illegal selling of gas because it is illegal!
Circular logic. QED.
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Price gouging - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
sums that up.In the United States, laws against price gouging have been held constitutional[3] as a valid exercise of the police power to preserve order during an emergency, and may be combined with anti-hoarding measures. Exceptions are prescribed for price increases that can be justified in terms of increased cost of supply, transportation or storage. Statutes generally give wide discretion not to prosecute: in 2004, Florida determined that one-third of complaints were unfounded, and a large fraction of the remainder were handled by consent decrees, rather than prosecution. Proponents of laws against price gouging assert that it can create an unrealistic psychological demand that can drive a non-replenishable item into extinction.[4] As of 2008, thirty-four states in the United States have enacted laws against price-gouging. Price-gouging is often defined in terms of three critieria listed below:[5]
Period of Emergency: The majority of laws apply only to price shifts during a time of disaster.
Necessary items: Most laws apply exclusively to items which are essential to survival.
Price ceilings: Laws limit the maximum price that can be charged for given goods.
A prevalent concern surrounding price gouging is that it exploits consumers. Supporters of anti price gouging laws argue that it is morally wrong for sellers to take advantage of buyers vulnerability and increased demand. Buyers are not coerced to take part in this exchange and they voluntarily agree to pay the sellers asking price. In addition to these mandated laws, many businesses avoid increasing prices after a disaster in order to avoid consumer backlash and stigma.
Your argument against price gouging is that it is illegal, and you somehow think that settles it?
apparently, the same way everyone else is
frequently
That is how commerce works. Price discovery. You provide a product and I decide how much I am willing to pay for it.
When a bunch of people get hysterical months before a new game station comes out, and so the maker of that product jacks the price up, is that "taking advantage" of people? When the demand drops and you find the same toy in the bargain bin a year later, was the maker gouging their customers when it was a higher price?
No.
That's market forces at work. It's a beautiful thing.
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not an xbox
keep swinging
This message brought to you by the petroleum industry, proudly gouging and fixing for a hundred years.
whether or not i buy from them has no effect on how safe they are.
duh
You people have no clue how the free market works. If enough people felt gypsy gas sellers were too unsafe, and did not buy from them, the sellers would not be able to succeed. So gypsy sellers would have to make their operations safe enough for people to feel comfortable buying gas from them.
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and exactly how many would have to be harmed or killed before it was determined they were unsafe?
We have already been down this road with the regular gas retail industry, why try it again?
This message brought to you by the petroleum industry, proudly gouging and fixing for a hundred years.
Would you elaborate on this?
Our family has been involved in the petroleum industry for 90 of those 100 years and I consider that to be a seriously irresponsible allegation.
Gypsy gas stations?
LMAO.
SDo many potentioal problems with that concept I just do not know where to start.
Start anyway.
You would have to have economies of scale to succeed. That means the same trucks already in operation. You would not see some guy selling gas from five gallon cans out of the back of his pickup.
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Umm how many trucks have gas filling nozzles for autos on them and a way of measuring the gas for each sale?
the gas trucks I now of have great big hoses with maybe 3 inch fittings on the end. would fill up a Camry in maybe 3 sec if you could fit the hose to the fitting on the car.
I guess they would be self serve?
You have your head up your ass on this one. You might as well admit it.
My soloution is much simpler for future problems.
Have all gas stations fitted with a universal generator hookup. cost maybe $500 per station and the nat guard could bring in generators or the corporation owing the station. They would not be losing days worth of sales that way.
Start anyway.
You would have to have economies of scale to succeed. That means the same trucks already in operation. You would not see some guy selling gas from five gallon cans out of the back of his pickup.
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Umm how many trucks have gas filling nozzles for autos on them and a way of measuring the gas for each sale?
the gas trucks I now of have great big hoses with maybe 3 inch fittings on the end. would fill up a Camry in maybe 3 sec if you could fit the hose to the fitting on the car.
I guess they would be self serve?
You have your head up your ass on this one. You might as well admit it.
Where there's a will, there's a way. If the government allowed gypsy gas, someone would invent a fitting for a truck the next day. I would not be surprised if one already exists.
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The reason these laws exist is because after a disaster, regardless of size, consumers are stuck with enormous costs connected to survival and rebuilding, plus the loss of income from work. They can't afford to pay $7 per gallon (yeah, it's $7, not $6) for gas.
Anyone that takes advantage of someone that's suffering, that may even have lost a family member, deserves to die alone in the rain in a dark alley.
That's why it's called a "disaster", honey: because it sucks.
There's no "taking advantage of" involved in adjusting prices to reflect the scarcity caused by a disaster. The only "taking advantage of" happening here is the poor, downtrodden little "victims" who "can't afford more expensive gas", and so have used the unscrupulous politicians who pander to them to legally rob the people selling gasoline.
i hope you loose everything and have to beg on the streets...Then we will see how fast your tune changes.
I know, it is a government regulation problem. In a free market there would be gas in New Jersey.
huh?
There is gas in NJ. the problem is that that about 80% of the gas stations have tanks of gas but no electricity to pump it.
Tell me how a free market would change that?
Have you asked yourself why they don't have generators? Or do you just assume you know the answer?