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Oh boo hoo, Bibi and Israel are taking out the trash
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Terrorism isn't an idealogy, it's a tactic. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.cancer my ass.
Prime Minister Netanyahu's plan is to defeat terrorism. Giving Iran and Hamas free reign to create terror is not the way to long lasting peace.
Or they can keep fighting until the Jews get tired and go back to Europe, where they came from, which is what every other indigenous population did to European squatters.The key, IMHO, for a tremendous future for Palestinians is for them to renounce Terrorism forever and to surrender unconditionally to the Jews. Then they can move on.
In 1945 President Truman didn't seek a truce or ceasefire from Emperor Hirohito of the Empire of Japan. He sought and obtained capitulation. The Japanese might not have liked it at the time, but in the medium to long run, they've had a very successful run since the one sided peace was signed on the Missouri in Tokyo Bay. Now its time for the Pals to realize they have reached the end of the road.
Not really comparable, because we did give them their core countries back. Germany and Japan did not cease to be because they lost a war, and neither will Palestine.Otherwise known as a "Clauswitizian" Resolution to the conflict, not just a pause in it.
The Germans and the Japanese were forced to admit they lost, and to give up forever claims on certain lands.
Terrorism isn't an idealogy, it's a tactic. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Or they can keep fighting until the Jews get tired and go back to Europe, where they came from, which is what every other indigenous population did to European squatters.
Well, not exactly. You see, we DID make concessions to the Japanese to get peace after the Soviets got into the war, and it looked like they were going to take over East Asia the way they took over eastern Europe. It's why Hirohito wasn't charged as a war criminal.
Not really comparable, because we did give them their core countries back. Germany and Japan did not cease to be because they lost a war, and neither will Palestine.
But the relative calm of the last decade-and-a-half was built upon a series of illusions: that the Palestinians and their aspirations for freedom could be hidden behind concrete barriers and ignored; that any remaining resistance could be managed through a combination of technology and overwhelming firepower; that the world, and especially Sunni Arab states, had grown so tired of the Palestinian issue that it could be removed from the global agenda, and consequently, that Israeli governments could do as they pleased and suffer few consequences.
The attack on 7 October shattered all these presumptions. Hamas gunmen on motorbikes and the backs of pickup trucks sailed through the “smart” barrier that cost more than the entire GDP of Grenada. Caught off guard, Israel’s army appeared almost immobilised, unable to regain control of some towns and kibbutzim for more than 48 hours. Every aspect of Netanyahu’s project collapsed on the Saturday morning Israelis have taken to calling “the black shabbat”.
Successive Netanyahu governments did not make Israelis safer. Instead, they made them vulnerable to attacks such as the one Hamas carried out. Netanyahu did not chart a path for Israel out of its dependence on the United States. Instead, he left Israel as dependent on its US backer as it was during the only comparable disaster in Israel’s history, the 1973 Yom Kippur war. Netanyahu promised to streamline the state and make government more efficient. Instead, Israel’s bureaucracy has been hollowed out, its social services underfunded and unresponsive.
And yet, while Netanyahu’s vision for Israel has been utterly discredited, there is no clear successor poised to break with it. The iron tracks that Netanyahu laid may prove too hard to shift. The current crisis may very well mark the end of Netanyahu’s public career. But Israel may also be trapped in conditions of his making long after he is gone.
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The Netanyahu doctrine: how Israel’s longest-serving leader reshaped the country in his image
The long read: He first became prime minister in 1996, and has been pushing the country further right ever since. Most agree his political days are numbered – but the approach he established will prove very difficult to shiftwww.theguardian.com
There is no safe right leaning government.
But the opposition to Zionism is a even more fanatical death cult. So to pretend zionism is the entire problem -- but not the more fanatical death cult -- is to ignore half of reality.Interesting article.
The problem is that Netanyahu isn't the disease, he's just the rash it has broken out into.
The disease is Zionism, which has always been predicated on a lie.
That lie is "A land without a people for a people without a land." Except that land had people on it and they weren't pleased with being displaced.
I remember back in the 1980s, in UIC< every year we'd have the Jewish club, Hillel, would organize an Israeli Independence Day celebration, and every year, the Palestinians students would march around in a circle chanting, "Palestine is Arab Land". and "Reagan, Began you can't hide, we charge you with Genocide".
Here I am now, an old man, 40 years later, and they are still fighting, people who weren't even born yet when those demonstrations happened.
Kinda funny that the OP calls Bibi a "cancer" when by definition a cancer is a disease that constantly tries to attack and kill it's host.
Basically, the definition of Palestine and Hamas.
Or they can keep fighting until the Jews get tired and go back to Europe, where they came from, which is what every other indigenous population did to European squatters.
You know, both can be true.Kinda funny that the OP calls Bibi a "cancer" when by definition a cancer is a disease that constantly tries to attack and kill it's host.
Basically, the definition of Palestine and Hamas.
You know, both can be true.
Nobody is calling Israel a cancer. Just Netanyahu. Focus.But it's not, because Israel has NEVER attacked Palestine without provocation. That's not cancer. That's self defense.
Because religion ruins everything.Why not just cease Antisemitism?
No Jew has ever harmed me and I doubt you
Nobody is calling Israel a cancer. Just Netanyahu. Focus.
Because religion ruins everything.
And you are still dodging. Because you don't want to talk about Bibi. Which makes one wonder why you opened the thread at all.Netanyahu is the leader of Israel. The word "Israel" is used many times in the OP.
Focus.
There is no extreme government that is good for the general population, SO Hamas also fits the description.But the relative calm of the last decade-and-a-half was built upon a series of illusions: that the Palestinians and their aspirations for freedom could be hidden behind concrete barriers and ignored; that any remaining resistance could be managed through a combination of technology and overwhelming firepower; that the world, and especially Sunni Arab states, had grown so tired of the Palestinian issue that it could be removed from the global agenda, and consequently, that Israeli governments could do as they pleased and suffer few consequences.
The attack on 7 October shattered all these presumptions. Hamas gunmen on motorbikes and the backs of pickup trucks sailed through the “smart” barrier that cost more than the entire GDP of Grenada. Caught off guard, Israel’s army appeared almost immobilised, unable to regain control of some towns and kibbutzim for more than 48 hours. Every aspect of Netanyahu’s project collapsed on the Saturday morning Israelis have taken to calling “the black shabbat”.
Successive Netanyahu governments did not make Israelis safer. Instead, they made them vulnerable to attacks such as the one Hamas carried out. Netanyahu did not chart a path for Israel out of its dependence on the United States. Instead, he left Israel as dependent on its US backer as it was during the only comparable disaster in Israel’s history, the 1973 Yom Kippur war. Netanyahu promised to streamline the state and make government more efficient. Instead, Israel’s bureaucracy has been hollowed out, its social services underfunded and unresponsive.
And yet, while Netanyahu’s vision for Israel has been utterly discredited, there is no clear successor poised to break with it. The iron tracks that Netanyahu laid may prove too hard to shift. The current crisis may very well mark the end of Netanyahu’s public career. But Israel may also be trapped in conditions of his making long after he is gone.
![]()
The Netanyahu doctrine: how Israel’s longest-serving leader reshaped the country in his image
The long read: He first became prime minister in 1996, and has been pushing the country further right ever since. Most agree his political days are numbered – but the approach he established will prove very difficult to shiftwww.theguardian.com
There is no safe right leaning government.