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With all the different stories and characters in the Book of Mormon, by the standards of many great books, it should have taken years to write. But, it only took 90 days. Check this out! Get a copy for yourself today!
 
A slightly less interesting work of fiction than the bible.
Um, 90 days with 162 different people, 42 in which were named. Have you actually read this? By the say, there have been tests done concerning the word patterns of the various authors of each separate book in the Book of Mormon. Here was won done back published back in 1980. https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=2026&context=byusq



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Originally Answered: How many different styles of writing are found in the Book of Mormon? Do any of those styles match that of Joseph Smith?
A number of scientific tests have been devised to examine the authenticity of the Book of Mormon. Two tests which deal with writing styles have produced some exciting yet largely ignored results which our critics cannot explain. A new computer assisted analysis technique referred to as "stylometry" or more commonly "wordprint" analysis was developed to identify an author's writing style much like a fingerprint or voiceprint is used to identify an individual. Although wordprint analyses identifying the usage rate of non-contextual words have produced the best authorship identification, total new word usage rates have also produced significant results and will be addressed.

Non-contextual words used in wordprint analysis are the filler words such as prepositions and conjunctions which are repeated subconsciously as a result of habit patterns developed in our early life. Although the conscious features of a given author's style might be imitated, the subconscious features cannot. Analysis indicates that an author's wordprint style remains consistent despite the passage of time, change of subject matter, or literary form. Most importantly, the value of a wordprint analysis is apparently retained where a literal translation has been made (Welch, Reexploring the Book of Mormon, pp. 221-226). Wordprint studies to determine authorship have included the examination of letters, biblical books, ancient Greek works, and more recently the technique was applied to the Book of Mormon. In a 1979 report, Wayne Larsen and Alvin Rencher showed that the Book of Mormon text contained more than 20 distinct wordprint styles which were internally consistent with the authors identified in the text.

https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=2026&context=byusq

Even more surprising to our critics was the fact that none of the Book of Mormon wordprint styles matched Joseph Smith's own style or that of any other suggested nineteenth-century author (See Book of Mormon Authorship, pp. 157-188). Despite the fact that Joseph Smith's own wordprint style is not found in the Book of Mormon, a consistently limited working vocabulary, similar to that of Joseph Smith's, is found throughout the book (See John L. Hilton's F.A.R.M.S. paper entitled Book of Mormon "Wordprint" Measurement using "Wraparound" Block Counting).

The rate at which new words are introduced throughout the Book of Mormon is consistently low while individual wordprint styles vary consistently throughout the book according to the textually identified author. The only reasonably acceptable explanation for these two statistically observable results is that "the Book of Mormon is a continuous literal translation of non-English writings by different original authors, expressed by a literal translator using a restricted English vocabulary" (Ibid.). In addition, the conclusion that Joseph Smith or any contemporary could have authored the Book of Mormon is scientifically indefensible in light of the findings mentioned above. When coupled with the internal writing patterns and Egyptian and Hebrew characteristics mentioned earlier, the only rational conclusion that can be reached is that the Book of Mormon was not the product of any nineteenth-century author's imagination. It can only be what Joseph Smith claimed it to be: a translation of an ancient record written by men familiar with both Hebrew and Egyptian language characteristics. Additional information on wordprints may be found at:

  1. Book of Mormon Central, “Is It Possible That a Single Author Wrote the Book of Mormon? (2 Nephi 27:13),” KnoWhy 399 (January 16, 2018)
  2. Matthew Roper, Paul J. Fields, and G. Bruce Schaalje, “Stylometric Analyses of the Book of Mormon: A Short History,” Journal of the Book of Mormon and Other Restoration Scripture 21, no. 1 (2012): 28–45.
  3. Paul J. Fields, G. Bruce Schaalje, and Matthew Roper, “Examining a Misapplication of Nearest Shrunken Centroid Classification to Investigate Book of Mormon Authorship,” Mormon Studies Review 23, no. 1 (2011): 87–111.
  4. G. Bruce Schaalje, Paul J. Fields, Matthew Roper, Gregory L. Snow, “Extended Nearest Shrunken Centroid Classification: A New Method for Open-set Authorship Attribution of Texts of Varying Sizes,” Literary and Linguistic Computing 26, no. 1 (2011): 71–88.
  5. Bruce Schaalje, John L. Hilton, and John B. Archer, “Comparative Power of Three Author-Attribution Techniques for Differentiating Authors,” Journal of Book of Mormon Studies 6, no. 1 (1997): 47–63.
  6. John L. Hilton, “On Verifying Wordprint Studies: Book of Mormon Authorship,” BYU Studies Quarterly, 30, no. 3 (1990): 89–108; reprinted in Book of Mormon Authorship Revisited: The Evidence for Ancient Origins, ed. Noel B. Reynolds (Provo, UT: FARMS, 1997), 225–253.
  7. Wayne A. Larsen, Alvin C. Rencher, and Tim Layton, “Who Wrote the Book of Mormon? An Analysis of Wordprints,” BYU Studies 20, no. 3 (1980): 225–251; reprinted in Book of Mormon Authorship: New Light on Ancient Origins, ed. Noel B. Reynolds (Provo, UT: Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University, 1982), 157–188.


Here is a more recent one: Is It Possible That a Single Author Wrote the Book of Mormon

"This situation makes the results of the stylometric analysis all the more astounding. It is difficult to imagine that a frontier farmer, with limited formal education and no literary accomplishments whatsoever, could have created a work of fiction with such a diverse array of statistically distinct voices.

Moreover, previous stylometric studies have demonstrated that none of the 19th century writers usually suspected of authoring the Book of Mormon have writing samples that match any of its distinct styles. These writers include Sidney Rigdon, Solomon Spalding, W. W. Phelps, Oliver Cowdery, Parley P. Pratt, and Joseph Smith himself.15

Thus, in order for one of these candidates to be the true author of the Book of Mormon, he would have needed to write in such a way as to completely mask his own style while at the same time creating a diversity of voices that was beyond some of the most talented novelists of their day! This combination of achievements seems highly unlikely for any of them, and especially for Joseph Smith, who was the least educated and experienced of them all.16"
 
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It was written over many years what you mean is Joseph Smith translated it in 90 days.
Nope. If you study this more, you will find that he received the record in to translate on September 21st, 1827. The Book of Mormon was published in 1830. So, he had less than 3 years to translate, write it and publish it. But, because of the persecution, the book remained hidden by Joseph Smith and as others who were involved in writing it said, he only spent between 60 and 90 days translating and writing the book. People attempted to steal the plates. So, you really need to do some serious study before making uneducated comments. It would be best to make your comments in the form of serious questions of wanting to really know something.
 
the book of Mormon was written in ancient times on the tablets and Joseph Smith translated it and wrote it FROM those tablets, He didn't write the book of Mormon and saying he did is simply playing into the hands of unbelievers that claim it is a work of fiction.
 
I had a good friend who was a devout Mormon. About 30 years ago he gave me a bound copy of the Book of Mormon with my name in English inscribed in gold on the cover. There is also a wonderful handwritten inscription documenting his gift inside the cover. On his next birthday I gave him a bound copy of the TANAKH with his name in Hebrew inscribed in gold. I also wrote inside the cover in my own hand, in English so he could read it.
When he passed I attended the funeral, and afterwards was at his home with his family. His wife asked me to come with her into his office, where she returned my gift to him. She took it from his desktop, not the shelf. It has obvious signs of use, as well as several bookmarks.
When I got home I was putting it on my desk when I noticed something. My copy of the Book of Mormon also shows obvious signs of use, and has several bookmarks sticking out of it.
 
I had a good friend who was a devout Mormon. About 30 years ago he gave me a bound copy of the Book of Mormon with my name in English inscribed in gold on the cover. There is also a wonderful handwritten inscription documenting his gift inside the cover. On his next birthday I gave him a bound copy of the TANAKH with his name in Hebrew inscribed in gold. I also wrote inside the cover in my own hand, in English so he could read it.
When he passed I attended the funeral, and afterwards was at his home with his family. His wife asked me to come with her into his office, where she returned my gift to him. She took it from his desktop, not the shelf. It has obvious signs of use, as well as several bookmarks.
When I got home I was putting it on my desk when I noticed something. My copy of the Book of Mormon also shows obvious signs of use, and has several bookmarks sticking out of it.
I'm a convert from Judaism. My father had several religious books of worship in his library. The Old and New Testament, The Book of Mormon, The Koran and others. He had no problem learning about other's faith. When I converted, he visited me at college, BYU, and asked many questions as did my brother come up too. Once they understood my journey to the LDS faith, they relaxed as they were fearful that I had been brainwashed. I find it sometimes amusing that it's so-called Christians that are fearful of learning about other people's faith, churches and religions. In fact, it's my opinion that those closeminded people will not recognize nor accept Jesus Christ when he returns. They won't recognize him.
 
Um, 90 days with 162 different people, 42 in which were named. Have you actually read this? By the say, there have been tests done concerning the word patterns of the various authors of each separate book in the Book of Mormon. Here was won done back published back in 1980. https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=2026&context=byusq



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Michael Hickenbotham
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Originally Answered: How many different styles of writing are found in the Book of Mormon? Do any of those styles match that of Joseph Smith?
A number of scientific tests have been devised to examine the authenticity of the Book of Mormon. Two tests which deal with writing styles have produced some exciting yet largely ignored results which our critics cannot explain. A new computer assisted analysis technique referred to as "stylometry" or more commonly "wordprint" analysis was developed to identify an author's writing style much like a fingerprint or voiceprint is used to identify an individual. Although wordprint analyses identifying the usage rate of non-contextual words have produced the best authorship identification, total new word usage rates have also produced significant results and will be addressed.

Non-contextual words used in wordprint analysis are the filler words such as prepositions and conjunctions which are repeated subconsciously as a result of habit patterns developed in our early life. Although the conscious features of a given author's style might be imitated, the subconscious features cannot. Analysis indicates that an author's wordprint style remains consistent despite the passage of time, change of subject matter, or literary form. Most importantly, the value of a wordprint analysis is apparently retained where a literal translation has been made (Welch, Reexploring the Book of Mormon, pp. 221-226). Wordprint studies to determine authorship have included the examination of letters, biblical books, ancient Greek works, and more recently the technique was applied to the Book of Mormon. In a 1979 report, Wayne Larsen and Alvin Rencher showed that the Book of Mormon text contained more than 20 distinct wordprint styles which were internally consistent with the authors identified in the text.

https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=2026&context=byusq

Even more surprising to our critics was the fact that none of the Book of Mormon wordprint styles matched Joseph Smith's own style or that of any other suggested nineteenth-century author (See Book of Mormon Authorship, pp. 157-188). Despite the fact that Joseph Smith's own wordprint style is not found in the Book of Mormon, a consistently limited working vocabulary, similar to that of Joseph Smith's, is found throughout the book (See John L. Hilton's F.A.R.M.S. paper entitled Book of Mormon "Wordprint" Measurement using "Wraparound" Block Counting).

The rate at which new words are introduced throughout the Book of Mormon is consistently low while individual wordprint styles vary consistently throughout the book according to the textually identified author. The only reasonably acceptable explanation for these two statistically observable results is that "the Book of Mormon is a continuous literal translation of non-English writings by different original authors, expressed by a literal translator using a restricted English vocabulary" (Ibid.). In addition, the conclusion that Joseph Smith or any contemporary could have authored the Book of Mormon is scientifically indefensible in light of the findings mentioned above. When coupled with the internal writing patterns and Egyptian and Hebrew characteristics mentioned earlier, the only rational conclusion that can be reached is that the Book of Mormon was not the product of any nineteenth-century author's imagination. It can only be what Joseph Smith claimed it to be: a translation of an ancient record written by men familiar with both Hebrew and Egyptian language characteristics. Additional information on wordprints may be found at:

  1. Book of Mormon Central, “Is It Possible That a Single Author Wrote the Book of Mormon? (2 Nephi 27:13),” KnoWhy 399 (January 16, 2018)
  2. Matthew Roper, Paul J. Fields, and G. Bruce Schaalje, “Stylometric Analyses of the Book of Mormon: A Short History,” Journal of the Book of Mormon and Other Restoration Scripture 21, no. 1 (2012): 28–45.
  3. Paul J. Fields, G. Bruce Schaalje, and Matthew Roper, “Examining a Misapplication of Nearest Shrunken Centroid Classification to Investigate Book of Mormon Authorship,” Mormon Studies Review 23, no. 1 (2011): 87–111.
  4. G. Bruce Schaalje, Paul J. Fields, Matthew Roper, Gregory L. Snow, “Extended Nearest Shrunken Centroid Classification: A New Method for Open-set Authorship Attribution of Texts of Varying Sizes,” Literary and Linguistic Computing 26, no. 1 (2011): 71–88.
  5. Bruce Schaalje, John L. Hilton, and John B. Archer, “Comparative Power of Three Author-Attribution Techniques for Differentiating Authors,” Journal of Book of Mormon Studies 6, no. 1 (1997): 47–63.
  6. John L. Hilton, “On Verifying Wordprint Studies: Book of Mormon Authorship,” BYU Studies Quarterly, 30, no. 3 (1990): 89–108; reprinted in Book of Mormon Authorship Revisited: The Evidence for Ancient Origins, ed. Noel B. Reynolds (Provo, UT: FARMS, 1997), 225–253.
  7. Wayne A. Larsen, Alvin C. Rencher, and Tim Layton, “Who Wrote the Book of Mormon? An Analysis of Wordprints,” BYU Studies 20, no. 3 (1980): 225–251; reprinted in Book of Mormon Authorship: New Light on Ancient Origins, ed. Noel B. Reynolds (Provo, UT: Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University, 1982), 157–188.


Here is a more recent one: Is It Possible That a Single Author Wrote the Book of Mormon

"This situation makes the results of the stylometric analysis all the more astounding. It is difficult to imagine that a frontier farmer, with limited formal education and no literary accomplishments whatsoever, could have created a work of fiction with such a diverse array of statistically distinct voices.

Moreover, previous stylometric studies have demonstrated that none of the 19th century writers usually suspected of authoring the Book of Mormon have writing samples that match any of its distinct styles. These writers include Sidney Rigdon, Solomon Spalding, W. W. Phelps, Oliver Cowdery, Parley P. Pratt, and Joseph Smith himself.15

Thus, in order for one of these candidates to be the true author of the Book of Mormon, he would have needed to write in such a way as to completely mask his own style while at the same time creating a diversity of voices that was beyond some of the most talented novelists of their day! This combination of achievements seems highly unlikely for any of them, and especially for Joseph Smith, who was the least educated and experienced of them all.16"
I've read whatever the public library has under the title.
 
That's nice, kid.
You are. You refuse to get all information from both sides of an issue. You are clearly a religious bigot. Read the information and then attempt to sound intelligent. I doubt you can do it.
 
You are. You refuse to get all information from both sides of an issue. You are clearly a religious bigot. Read the information and then attempt to sound intelligent. I doubt you can do it.
Antireligious. I am not religious in any way, shape, or form.
 
Antireligious. I am not religious in any way, shape, or form.
Even if you aren't, please explain how someone who could only spend 90 days out of 3 years writing a 500+ page book with 337 names including 188 unique names and 149 names that also appear in the Bible. There are 15 main books in the Book of Mormon that have been computer studied to find if Joseph Smith or a contemporary may have wrote or helped write it and found the writing patterns are not the same nor similar to anyone in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries. Joseph Smith had a 2nd grade level education when he began translation of the Plates. It took 12 years to write Harry Potter. So, please explain the 90 days.
 
I try to read a chapter a day and then the missionaries call and we usually read another chapter and we have a vidoe call every Saturday, I am bed bound and don't attend church,
 
Um, 90 days with 162 different people, 42 in which were named. Have you actually read this? By the say, there have been tests done concerning the word patterns of the various authors of each separate book in the Book of Mormon. Here was won done back published back in 1980. https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=2026&context=byusq



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Michael Hickenbotham
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Member of the Church of Jesus Christ for over 65 years4y
Originally Answered: How many different styles of writing are found in the Book of Mormon? Do any of those styles match that of Joseph Smith?
A number of scientific tests have been devised to examine the authenticity of the Book of Mormon. Two tests which deal with writing styles have produced some exciting yet largely ignored results which our critics cannot explain. A new computer assisted analysis technique referred to as "stylometry" or more commonly "wordprint" analysis was developed to identify an author's writing style much like a fingerprint or voiceprint is used to identify an individual. Although wordprint analyses identifying the usage rate of non-contextual words have produced the best authorship identification, total new word usage rates have also produced significant results and will be addressed.

Non-contextual words used in wordprint analysis are the filler words such as prepositions and conjunctions which are repeated subconsciously as a result of habit patterns developed in our early life. Although the conscious features of a given author's style might be imitated, the subconscious features cannot. Analysis indicates that an author's wordprint style remains consistent despite the passage of time, change of subject matter, or literary form. Most importantly, the value of a wordprint analysis is apparently retained where a literal translation has been made (Welch, Reexploring the Book of Mormon, pp. 221-226). Wordprint studies to determine authorship have included the examination of letters, biblical books, ancient Greek works, and more recently the technique was applied to the Book of Mormon. In a 1979 report, Wayne Larsen and Alvin Rencher showed that the Book of Mormon text contained more than 20 distinct wordprint styles which were internally consistent with the authors identified in the text.

https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=2026&context=byusq

Even more surprising to our critics was the fact that none of the Book of Mormon wordprint styles matched Joseph Smith's own style or that of any other suggested nineteenth-century author (See Book of Mormon Authorship, pp. 157-188). Despite the fact that Joseph Smith's own wordprint style is not found in the Book of Mormon, a consistently limited working vocabulary, similar to that of Joseph Smith's, is found throughout the book (See John L. Hilton's F.A.R.M.S. paper entitled Book of Mormon "Wordprint" Measurement using "Wraparound" Block Counting).

The rate at which new words are introduced throughout the Book of Mormon is consistently low while individual wordprint styles vary consistently throughout the book according to the textually identified author. The only reasonably acceptable explanation for these two statistically observable results is that "the Book of Mormon is a continuous literal translation of non-English writings by different original authors, expressed by a literal translator using a restricted English vocabulary" (Ibid.). In addition, the conclusion that Joseph Smith or any contemporary could have authored the Book of Mormon is scientifically indefensible in light of the findings mentioned above. When coupled with the internal writing patterns and Egyptian and Hebrew characteristics mentioned earlier, the only rational conclusion that can be reached is that the Book of Mormon was not the product of any nineteenth-century author's imagination. It can only be what Joseph Smith claimed it to be: a translation of an ancient record written by men familiar with both Hebrew and Egyptian language characteristics. Additional information on wordprints may be found at:

  1. Book of Mormon Central, “Is It Possible That a Single Author Wrote the Book of Mormon? (2 Nephi 27:13),” KnoWhy 399 (January 16, 2018)
  2. Matthew Roper, Paul J. Fields, and G. Bruce Schaalje, “Stylometric Analyses of the Book of Mormon: A Short History,” Journal of the Book of Mormon and Other Restoration Scripture 21, no. 1 (2012): 28–45.
  3. Paul J. Fields, G. Bruce Schaalje, and Matthew Roper, “Examining a Misapplication of Nearest Shrunken Centroid Classification to Investigate Book of Mormon Authorship,” Mormon Studies Review 23, no. 1 (2011): 87–111.
  4. G. Bruce Schaalje, Paul J. Fields, Matthew Roper, Gregory L. Snow, “Extended Nearest Shrunken Centroid Classification: A New Method for Open-set Authorship Attribution of Texts of Varying Sizes,” Literary and Linguistic Computing 26, no. 1 (2011): 71–88.
  5. Bruce Schaalje, John L. Hilton, and John B. Archer, “Comparative Power of Three Author-Attribution Techniques for Differentiating Authors,” Journal of Book of Mormon Studies 6, no. 1 (1997): 47–63.
  6. John L. Hilton, “On Verifying Wordprint Studies: Book of Mormon Authorship,” BYU Studies Quarterly, 30, no. 3 (1990): 89–108; reprinted in Book of Mormon Authorship Revisited: The Evidence for Ancient Origins, ed. Noel B. Reynolds (Provo, UT: FARMS, 1997), 225–253.
  7. Wayne A. Larsen, Alvin C. Rencher, and Tim Layton, “Who Wrote the Book of Mormon? An Analysis of Wordprints,” BYU Studies 20, no. 3 (1980): 225–251; reprinted in Book of Mormon Authorship: New Light on Ancient Origins, ed. Noel B. Reynolds (Provo, UT: Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University, 1982), 157–188.


Here is a more recent one: Is It Possible That a Single Author Wrote the Book of Mormon

"This situation makes the results of the stylometric analysis all the more astounding. It is difficult to imagine that a frontier farmer, with limited formal education and no literary accomplishments whatsoever, could have created a work of fiction with such a diverse array of statistically distinct voices.

Moreover, previous stylometric studies have demonstrated that none of the 19th century writers usually suspected of authoring the Book of Mormon have writing samples that match any of its distinct styles. These writers include Sidney Rigdon, Solomon Spalding, W. W. Phelps, Oliver Cowdery, Parley P. Pratt, and Joseph Smith himself.15

Thus, in order for one of these candidates to be the true author of the Book of Mormon, he would have needed to write in such a way as to completely mask his own style while at the same time creating a diversity of voices that was beyond some of the most talented novelists of their day! This combination of achievements seems highly unlikely for any of them, and especially for Joseph Smith, who was the least educated and experienced of them all.16"
It's hard to really say how long it Joseph to translate the BoM.
He got the plates Sept. 22 1827 Emma was his scribe until Harris showed up in april 1828
Harris lost the 116 pages. Things are merky til Oliver Cowdery showed up in april 1829
translation seamed to end by june 1829
The 90 day stuff, I'm just not so sure of when viewed how long joseph actually had possession
 
Maybe all religion is bunk. Much of what is recorded for "the Faithful" is murky and dubious, so did Christ walk on the water? Who knows? It is not provable one way or another.

LDS doesn't have the luxury of being so old that the relevant facts cannot be ascertained with certainty.

Joe Smith was a charlatan. He had no more ability to translate "reformed Egyptian" than I can translate farsi. This was proven by the Book of Abraham fiasco, with which anyone with an interest is familiar. The history of the BoM is provably false, now that we have the ability to check peoples' DNA. And we know that there were no horses, cattle, oxen, or other similar animals in pre-Columbian Americas, as mentioned in the BoM. Indeed, none of the indigenous people had even invented the wheel until the Europeans came along, so mention of "chariots" is simply preposterous.

I personally believe that faith is a matter of choice, so if one chooses to follow the silliness of the Book of Mormon I have no objections to that, but please, don't try to convert me. I have the ability to think logically and investigate facts.
 
It's hard to really say how long it Joseph to translate the BoM.
He got the plates Sept. 22 1827 Emma was his scribe until Harris showed up in april 1828
Harris lost the 116 pages. Things are merky til Oliver Cowdery showed up in april 1829
translation seamed to end by june 1829
The 90 day stuff, I'm just not so sure of when viewed how long joseph actually had possession
I believe Emma and others who were with Joseph have confirmed this. Anywhere between 60 and 90 days because he was constantly being sought for by his enemies.
 
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