The bill is just the first step

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW4IKM9hzS4]YouTube - Baby steps to single payer[/ame]
 
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Do you ever think for yourself or get any information from sources other than McCarthy?
 

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You bet its only the first step.

Get ready for REAL healthcare in the US to be ushered in along with cost decreases just like other countries benifit from.
 
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You bet its only the first step.

Get ready for REAL healthcare in the US to be ushered in along with cost decreases just like other countries benifit from.

Try living in a country with socialized medicine and find out for yourself how ridiculous that statement is.
 
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☭proletarian☭;2110400 said:
Do you ever think for yourself or get any information from sources other than McCarthy?

If you could bring yourself to watch the video, you will see clearly that it's fact, not an opinion of Beck's. He's got clips of Obama talking about this bill being a 'transition' to single payer. An Inconvenient Truth.
 

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Dear lying sack of shit.

No one has even brought up socialized medicine but you fool.

And BTW it is better than the system we now have. All countries who have socialized med score better than the US in care and cost.


Single payer is NOT socialized medicine.
 

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Pelosi herself has been widely reported as saying something to the effect of "now that this has been kicked in, there will be more to follow".

The intent all along was to let the Socialized Medicine Camel's nose into the tent.
 

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Dear lying sack of shit.

No one has even brought up socialized medicine but you fool.

And BTW it is better than the system we now have. All countries who have socialized med score better than the US in care and cost.


Single payer is NOT socialized medicine.


Dear Uncouth Idiot,

FOAD.

TYIAFYC

*helpfully*

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You bet its only the first step.

Get ready for Socialized healthcare in the US to be ushered in along with Service decreases and Tax Increases just like other countries suffer from it.


There, I fixed it your you.

You are just one huge dishonest piece of shit arent you.

You just cant stop yourself from being deceptive and changing what others say.

Its the only way you can convince your shriveled brain your failed ideas are not failing.
 

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You lost on the facts and now your mad.

What sane people do little mermaid is adapt their beliefs to facts instead of clinging to lies and creating new ones to continue to be wrong.
 

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Then you have just classified yourself as insane, which is surprisingly and uncharacteristically lucid of you.

But as the old saying goes, even a broken clock is correct twice a day.
 
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☭proletarian☭;2110400 said:
Do you ever think for yourself or get any information from sources other than McCarthy?

We since he is the one that is broadcasting the quotes I think it is useful to use him as a source.
 
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☭proletarian☭;2110400 said:
Do you ever think for yourself or get any information from sources other than McCarthy?

If you could bring yourself to watch the video, you will see clearly that it's fact, not an opinion of Beck's. He's got clips of Obama talking about this bill being a 'transition' to single payer. An Inconvenient Truth.
Many people want single payer.

Ask all the crazy old teabaggers if they want their medicare taken away.
 
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Five Reasons The CBO Figures Are Phony
By Ed Carson
Thu., March 18, '10 12:20 PM ET
Tags: CBO - Health Care - ObamaCare - Medicare - Taxes - Democrats
The Congressional Budget Office’s preliminary “score” says the health care overhaul will cost $940 billion over the first 10 years, saving $138 billion over that time. But the CBO must assess legislation as written, rather than whether it will actually be carried out. Or, as the Economist put it, “The CBO is required to pretend to believe many impossible things before breakfast.”
1. Medicare cuts
The Senate health care bill relied heavily on unprecedented cuts in Medicare spending increases. If implemented, this would have a huge impact on seniors’ care. But Congress has always balked at Medicare cuts. (See No. 3).
2. Delayed start
To make the budget math work, Democrats plan on delaying the start of subsidies and other costly provisions for several years. The true 10-year cost is far higher.

3. The “doc fix” is excluded
The Sustainable Growth Rate imposes automatic cuts in Medicare payment rates to doctors.
For several years, fearing a revolt by doctors — and seniors — Congress has suspended those cuts. The original draft of the House health care bill included a permanent “doc fix.” But that ballooned deficits, so Democrats dropped it, even though everyone knows Congress isn’t going to slash doctors’ rates. The CBO has estimated a “doc fix” would cost $247 billion over 10 years.
4. Student loans are included
Doctors’ payments are excluded from the health bill, but major student loan program changes are included? Yep. The reconciliation bill will end student loan subsidies to lenders. The CBO says this will save $19.4 billion over the first decade, accounting for virtually all of the $19.8 billion in deficit reduction from the health care reconciliation bill. Reconciliation bills must cut the deficit by at least $1 billion. So, without the non-health care items, the health care reconciliation bill would not pass muster.
5. It’s a CLASS act
In the Senate health bill, a new, voluntary long-term care insurance program called CLASS accounted for some $72 billion of the deficit reduction. The Community Living Assistance Services and Supports program is supposed to be deficit-neutral long-term. But Democrats are counting the upfront premium surplus in the short term and ignoring the significant operating deficits after 2029.
But wait, there’s more! Let’s assume that the cost savings materialize as planned. It still makes the long-term fiscal outlook worse. Why? Democrats are using up a lot of tax hikes, spending cuts and upfront payment just to get barely better than deficit-neutral. That leaves future lawmakers less scope to bring the nation’s finances into order.
On a related note, Democrats continue to maintain the health bill would extend Medicare’s solvency by several years. But they plan to use those as-yet-unrealized Medicare cost savings for a huge new entitlement and to reduce the overall deficit.
 
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he reconciliation bill will end student loan subsidies to lenders. The CBO says this will save $19.4 billion over the first decade, accounting for virtually all of the $19.8 billion in deficit reduction from the health care reconciliation bill. Reconciliation bills must cut the deficit by at least $1 billion

The HBO didn't claim what you said it did.
The Congressional Budget Office estimated that the updated package would cost $940 billion over the next decade without adding to the deficit.
The estimate shows the bill would save $138 billion over the first 10 years. It is estimated to expand health insurance coverage to 32 million more Americans -- or 1 million more people than the original Senate bill.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...add-to-them-according-to-cbo.html#post2110397
 
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Yeah ,well we all know how well government entitlement programs never ever grown outside of there rosy fiscal dimensions .
 

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