the biggest problem with public schools is

[Woodznutz]

the public school students are out of control. the American students have no discipline. the difference between the American students and the Korean students is night and day.

Bullseye!

 

[Woodznutz]

Depends on the students and the school.

National test scores don't lie. Also, mental/emotional/drug problems, suicide figures among our youth don't lie either.

 

[Woodznutz]

^^^ Another asshole who knows NOTHING about education but constantly posts pretending to be an expert.

It doesn't take an expert to know that something isn't right.

 

[Woodznutz]

^^^ Another asshole who knows NOTHING about education but constantly posts pretending to be an expert.

Most people know a little something about everything.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Most people know a little something about everything.

Correct. Which is kind of infuriating to those of use that have made deep studies to become experts on:

• Local, State, Federal Politics
• International Affairs
• Military Procurement
• Design and Implementation of High Tech Weapons systems
• Economics
• Virology (Human AND - I might add - Bird and Cow)
• Cancer research
• Drug development, testing, and Deployment
• Manufacturing
• Supply Chain Management
• Shipping
• Tax Laws
• Prosecution of Fraud
• Computer system design and analysis
• Electric v. ICE v. Hydrogen Automobiles
• Green Energy (Including Hydro, Solar, Wind, and Nuclear)
• Fossil fuel production and utilization
• Constitutional Law
• The United States Code

If most of the board would just listen to the few of us that have invested the time to become experts at these things, then the world would be a happier place.

Just say'n.

WW

 

[Woodznutz]

Correct. Which is kind of infuriating to those of use that have made deep studies to become experts on:

• Local, State, Federal Politics
• International Affairs
• Military Procurement
• Design and Implementation of High Tech Weapons systems
• Economics
• Virology (Human AND - I might add - Bird and Cow)
• Cancer research
• Drug development, testing, and Deployment
• Manufacturing
• Supply Chain Management
• Shipping
• Tax Laws
• Prosecution of Fraud
• Computer system design and analysis
• Electric v. ICE v. Hydrogen Automobiles
• Green Energy (Including Hydro, Solar, Wind, and Nuclear)
• Fossil fuel production and utilization
• Constitutional Law
• The United States Code

If most of the board would just listen to the few of us that have invested the time to become experts at these things, then the world would be a happier place.

Just say'n.

WW

Among my many skills is trapping rabbits. Got another one
last night.

They nibble on the bark of our cotoneaster hedge over the winter and kill the canes. I release them miles away.

 

[initforme]

If the lack of discipline is not the problem, then why are parochial schools so much better in this regard? Night and day.

Here's your chance to become a teacher and help fix the problem. But first

1) ask to work for half the salary offered
2) ensure all kids are taught even the disruptive ones
3) be accepting of parents berating and blaming you. You need to be wanting of being threatened from time yo time.
4) ask for no protection if falsely accused.

That's the start.

 

[Woodznutz]

Here's your chance to become a teacher and help fix the problem. But first

1) ask to work for half the salary offered
2) ensure all kids are taught even the disruptive ones
3) be accepting of parents berating and blaming you. You need to be wanting of being threatened from time yo time.
4) ask for no protection if falsely accused.

That's the start.

The start is to place the responsibility for failure where it belongs; first with the parents, and then with the students. Once they are straightened out you can deal with the administration and the curriculum.

 

[todd down under]

the public school students are out of control. the American students have no discipline. the difference between the American students and the Korean students is night and day.

But Americans are better looking than Koreans.

 

[Captain Caveman]

One major problem with American schools is the teaching of myths, indoctrinating kids with crap like allegiance to a flag, land of the free, American dream etc..Start learning what's outside of the US and you will understand.

 

[Unkotare]

One major problem with American schools is the teaching of myths, indoctrinating kids with crap like allegiance to a flag, land of the free, American dream etc..Start learning what's outside of the US and you will understand.

What pretentious horseshit.

 

[BothWings]

BS. Some Americans voted a convicted felon for presiidency. The people who did that are the problem, not the public schools.

LMAO! As if we didn't see American schools deteriorate miserably over several presidencies to get where we are now!

 

[Flopper]

LMAO! As if we didn't see American schools deteriorate miserably over several presidencies to get where we are now!

The top five countries in education as measured by PISA test scores all have highly centralized educational system with central control of funding and curriculum.

The United States is now 18th in the world with one of the most decentralized educational systems.

 

[Flopper]

Truisms from the outside.

Problem #1 public school students are taught by government employees (and the schools are administered by government employees). This means that at most, 20% of them are competent and diligent. 20% are doing everything imaginable to avoid work, and the remaining 60% are just putting in time in anticipation of their early retirement. This is true for ALL government agencies. It is the nature of the animal, and the nature of those who are "called" to work there. With a few exceptions, tf they had any ambition, they would not be working for the government.

Problem #2 is teachers' unions. They are anti-productive when it comes to education. They work to maximize teachers' compensation and benefits, protect the worst performers, and limit the amount of actual work that teachers do. Never forget that the teachers' unions sabotaged all of American public education during the pandemic, and were never called on it. The whole school system lost a year or two of education for no good reason, and it was the fault of the teachers' unions. They are just like every other labor union (NOT craft unions or professional unions). Unfortunately, unlike American businesses, we can't just shut them down and move them off shore.

Problem #3 is the ACLU and its fellow travelers, who have introduced, successfully, the concept that school students are "citizens with rights!" It is insidious.

Problem #4, of course, is the culture, which DOES NOT VALUE academic excellence. Some parents value academic excellence, and often they are able to manage their children's education in a way that elicits a "good education" from a system that manifestly is not designed to produce one, but these parents are in the minority overall. How "good" a school district is, is usually determined almost exclusively by the percentage of such parents who sire the students. Interscholastic sports are part of the problem. They keep some of the kids out of juvenile court, which is a good thing I suppose, but overall they are a massive distraction from the theoretical mission of the schools - educating kids.

Money - spending per pupil - has almost nothing to do with it. If a school district has too little money to provide adequate buildings, books, libraries, cafeterias, and so on, then that is a problem, but the examples are too numerous to mention of schools that are funded up the wazoo (D.C., Philadelphia, Chicago, Baltimore, etc.), and yet get "outcomes" that are positively dreadful. In those cases, it is the families and households that are the cause of the problem, and more money dumped in the schools is just a waste, demonstrating nothing more than politicians' having no idea what to do so spending OPM in the hope that voters won't notice that the money is wasted.

Yes, government employees teach students in public schools as they do in every country that leads the US in education. That is not the problem. For the last 50 years, conservatives have been working to decentralized public education putting control of the education in each community.

 

[Leo123]

Parents need to be involved and take responsibility for their kid's education. Public schools cannot be trusted out of hand anymore to let parents know about what schools are teaching children while in school.

 

[Rodimus]

But Americans are better looking than Koreans.

I would say it is a tie. there are good looking people in both countries.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

An acquaintance of mine is a retired high school teacher who doesn`t accept Evolution as fact. The students are the problem, but teachers like this guy aren`t? He thinks that Adam and Eve were real.

As long as he doesn't teach biology, who gives a flying f&^*!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Never let your kids see the inside of a public school.....End sermon.

Looking at the way you turned out, maybe your choice wasn't so great!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Truisms from the outside.

Problem #1 public school students are taught by government employees (and the schools are administered by government employees). This means that at most, 20% of them are competent and diligent. 20% are doing everything imaginable to avoid work, and the remaining 60% are just putting in time in anticipation of their early retirement. This is true for ALL government agencies. It is the nature of the animal, and the nature of those who are "called" to work there. With a few exceptions, tf they had any ambition, they would not be working for the government.

Problem #2 is teachers' unions. They are anti-productive when it comes to education. They work to maximize teachers' compensation and benefits, protect the worst performers, and limit the amount of actual work that teachers do. Never forget that the teachers' unions sabotaged all of American public education during the pandemic, and were never called on it. The whole school system lost a year or two of education for no good reason, and it was the fault of the teachers' unions. They are just like every other labor union (NOT craft unions or professional unions). Unfortunately, unlike American businesses, we can't just shut them down and move them off shore.

Problem #3 is the ACLU and its fellow travelers, who have introduced, successfully, the concept that school students are "citizens with rights!" It is insidious.

Problem #4, of course, is the culture, which DOES NOT VALUE academic excellence. Some parents value academic excellence, and often they are able to manage their children's education in a way that elicits a "good education" from a system that manifestly is not designed to produce one, but these parents are in the minority overall. How "good" a school district is, is usually determined almost exclusively by the percentage of such parents who sire the students. Interscholastic sports are part of the problem. They keep some of the kids out of juvenile court, which is a good thing I suppose, but overall they are a massive distraction from the theoretical mission of the schools - educating kids.

Money - spending per pupil - has almost nothing to do with it. If a school district has too little money to provide adequate buildings, books, libraries, cafeterias, and so on, then that is a problem, but the examples are too numerous to mention of schools that are funded up the wazoo (D.C., Philadelphia, Chicago, Baltimore, etc.), and yet get "outcomes" that are positively dreadful. In those cases, it is the families and households that are the cause of the problem, and more money dumped in the schools is just a waste, demonstrating nothing more than politicians' having no idea what to do so spending OPM in the hope that voters won't notice that the money is wasted.

Totally and completely clueless. Your other points are valid, but you missed the boat on the highlighted points.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If the lack of discipline is not the problem, then why are parochial schools so much better in this regard? Night and day.

So all of these school shootings recently in private schools are not a problem?