What Is The Purpose Of The School System?

[Dogmaphobe]

. I preferred military training where they shoved it down yer throat

Ah, a Navy boy, I see.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Sit down, shut up, do as you're told. No talking, no thinking, obey unquestioningly. If you're not one of the golden few, you're always wrong and it's always your fault.



And what would you have done had one of them simply said, "No," to college? (Personally, if forced into college, I'd almost certainly have been dead in a month.)

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That's why I'd advise any young person to PLEASE go to trade school and get a good job.


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[Dogmaphobe]

The purpose of our schools is to grind down children's natural curiosity to the point they become completely unquestioning and then use conditioned response techniques to indoctrinate them into the official woke state religion.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

The purpose of our schools is to grind down children's natural curiosity to the point they become completely unquestioning and then use conditioned response techniques to indoctrinate them into the official woke state religion.

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Really well said. They've produced three generations of mentally useless people and not nearly enough room in which to store them, while we clean up the mess they've made.


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[initforme]

Sit down, shut up, do as you're told. No talking, no thinking, obey unquestioningly. If you're not one of the golden few, you're always wrong and it's always your fault.



And what would you have done had one of them simply said, "No," to college? (Personally, if forced into college, I'd almost certainly have been dead in a month.)

What other options are there? Start off working for a low wage for some slumeball owner? Nope. If I'm putting money aside there is no other viable choice.

 

[psikeyhackr]

The purpose of our schools is to grind down children's natural curiosity to the point they become completely unquestioning and then use conditioned response techniques to indoctrinate them into the official woke state religion.

My mother sent me to a Catholic school. Adults seemed to think it was better than public schools. The nitwit nuns NeVeR taught science.

I discovered science fiction in 4th grade. So I was reading material never suggested at school. My mother called it "Something CRAZY". I ignored her!

Now there is lots of SF free on the Internet.

The Cosmic Computer
The Cosmic Computer by H. Beam Piper
Damned If You Don't
Damned If You Don't by Randall Garrett
Badge of Infamy
Badge of Infamy by Lester Del Rey
Black Man's Burden
Black Man's Burden by Mack Reynolds
Space Prison

Space Prison by Tom Godwin

Free kindle book and epub digitized and proofread by volunteers.

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Omnilingual
Omnilingual by H. Beam Piper
Cat and Mouse

Cat and Mouse by Ralph Williams

Free kindle book and epub digitized and proofread by volunteers.

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Inside Earth by Poul Anderson

Inside Earth by Poul Anderson

Free kindle book and epub digitized and proofread by volunteers.

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Industrial Revolution by Poul Anderson

Industrial Revolution by Poul Anderson

Free kindle book and epub digitized and proofread by volunteers.

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Literary Intellectuals focus on mostly irrelevant trivia as far as I am concerned. Is it written in 1st person or 3rd person? Who cares?

In "A Fall of Moondust" Arthur C Clarke used Plato's Allegory of the Cave to explain infrared perception. The nuns had us spelling:

ANTIDISESTABLISHMENTARIANISM.

We used that a lot at IBM.
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[Woodznutz]

What other options are there? Start off working for a low wage for some slumeball owner? Nope. If I'm putting money aside there is no other viable choice.

Colleges need to be more selective. Too many fail to graduate.

 

[initforme]

Colleges need to be more selective. Too many fail to graduate.

Yep. But we need to teach kids at an early age that without studying one may start out making a pittance of 20 bucks per hour and thats a horrible life.

 

[Woodznutz]

Yep. But we need to teach kids at an early age that without studying one may start out making a pittance of 20 bucks per hour and thats a horrible life.

You can get rich on $20/hr.

 

[psikeyhackr]

Colleges need to be more selective. Too many fail to graduate.

Is Chemistry necessary for Electrical Engineering.
I intended to take a Gap Year but fixing stuff for Panasonic was more fun than school. I got to concentrate on electronics all day. The first two years of college were nearly useless.

We should have a K-12 National Recommended Reading List

100 books for kindergarten
200 for 1st grade
300 for 2nd grade
etc.
9100 books K-12

I started reading Science Fiction in 4th grade and decided to go to college for engineering in 7th grade. School was barely interesting. Should have taken an accounting course in high school but I don't even know if they had one back then.

School is misinformation to maintain a power structure of ignorance.

The Tyranny of Words by Stuart Chase

The Screwing of the Average Man by David Hapgood

The Waste Makers by Vance Packard

We will watch the Planned Obsolescence Economy crash over the next few decades. How many high school graduates can explain what Net Worth is?

 

[Woodznutz]

Is Chemistry necessary for Electrical Engineering.
I intended to take a Gap Year but fixing stuff for Panasonic was more fun than school. I got to concentrate on electronics all day. The first two years of college were nearly useless.

We should have a K-12 National Recommended Reading List

100 books for kindergarten
200 for 1st grade
300 for 2nd grade
etc.
9100 books K-12

I started reading Science Fiction in 4th grade and decided to go to college for engineering in 7th grade. School was barely interesting. Should have taken an accounting course in high school but I don't even know if they had one back then.

School is misinformation to maintain a power structure of ignorance.

The Tyranny of Words by Stuart Chase

The Screwing of the Average Man by David Hapgood

The Waste Makers by Vance Packard

We will watch the Planned Obsolescence Economy crash over the next few decades. How many high school graduates can explain what Net Worth is?

Reading is the door to everything. However, if our kids' noses are in too many books they might not see what's going on around them. This is a teacher's job as well, to reveal to the kids what's going on around them, even in the very classroom. School, especially the lower grades, is too often an alternate universe, like Sesame Street.

 

[BackAgain]

Is this a trick question?

One: the purpose of the education system is theoretically to provide students with an education.

Two: based on how that “system” operates, however, it could be argued that the “purpose” of the system is instead designed to indoctrinate students.

Some professional educators seem to conflate those two things.

 

[psikeyhackr]

Reading is the door to everything. However, if our kids' noses are in too many books they might not see what's going on around them. This is a teacher's job as well, to reveal to the kids what's going on around them, even in the very classroom. School, especially the lower grades, is too often an alternate universe, like Sesame Street.

This was my first science fiction book.
I read it when I was 8 and the Original Star Trek was still a few years away.

Star Surgeon by Alan Edward Nourse

Star Surgeon by Alan Edward Nourse

Free kindle book and epub digitized and proofread by volunteers.

gutenberg.org

Nourse was a doctor. He wrote about a heart transplant in that book 9 years before one made worldwide news

That is how I learned that the Sun was a star and that all of the stars were suns. Shocked the hell out of me. Changed my perspective of reality. No mention of that in school.

This aired on PBS in 1988. I saw it back then.

Harvard seasons private universe


Harvard graduates could not explain summer and winter! I laughed my ass off. But I was never taught that in school. Read enough science fiction and sooner or later you will run across "Orbital Mechanics". I didn't just read SF. When I ran into words or concepts I didn't know I looked them up. My mother had the World Book encyclopedia right outside my bedroom door.

But the thing is, what JOB requires knowing the cause of summer and winter? A snow plow driver in Toronto doesn't need to know Why winter happens.

That is why we need Selected Books. Not all books are equally informative. Lots of people would have to be involved.

I would not know a good Chemistry book for high school.


Teach Yourself Electricity and Electronics by Stan Gibilisco

 

[psikeyhackr]

Is this a trick question?

One: the purpose of the education system is theoretically to provide students with an education.

Two: based on how that “system” operates, however, it could be argued that the “purpose” of the system is instead designed to indoctrinate students.

Some professional educators seem to conflate those two things.

Some Morons in Authority get to decide what "Education" is. That is why I suggest a reading list.

Science Fiction helped me ignore and tolerate the clowns who claimed to be teachers, but learn lots of stuff anyway.

Isaac Asimov scored 160 on the Idiot Quotient test he was given in the army. How many grammar school teachers do you think can do that?

 

[Woodznutz]

Is this a trick question?

One: the purpose of the education system is theoretically to provide students with an education.

Two: based on how that “system” operates, however, it could be argued that the “purpose” of the system is instead designed to indoctrinate students.

Some professional educators seem to conflate those two things.

I remember my 5th grade teacher, who would go off every now and then about her 12-year-old son and their troubled relationship, sometimes for a half an hour before she came back to earth.

 

[Woodznutz]

This was my first science fiction book.
I read it when I was 8 and the Original Star Trek was still a few years away.

Star Surgeon by Alan Edward Nourse

Star Surgeon by Alan Edward Nourse

Free kindle book and epub digitized and proofread by volunteers.

gutenberg.org

Nourse was a doctor. He wrote about a heart transplant in that book 9 years before one made worldwide news

That is how I learned that the Sun was a star and that all of the stars were suns. Shocked the hell out of me. Changed my perspective of reality. No mention of that in school.

This aired on PBS in 1988. I saw it back then.

Harvard seasons private universe


Harvard graduates could not explain summer and winter! I laughed my ass off. But I was never taught that in school. Read enough science fiction and sooner or later you will run across "Orbital Mechanics". I didn't just read SF. When I ran into words or concepts I didn't know I looked them up. My mother had the World Book encyclopedia right outside my bedroom door.

But the thing is, what JOB requires knowing the cause of summer and winter? A snow plow driver in Toronto doesn't need to know Why winter happens.

That is why we need Selected Books. Not all books are equally informative. Lots of people would have to be involved.

I would not know a good Chemistry book for high school.


Teach Yourself Electricity and Electronics by Stan Gibilisco

I have played banjo, guitar, and bass at various times since I was a teenager. I don't know scales, or how to read music. Back then if you obtained a "learn to play..." book the first thing it wanted to teach was the "rudiments of music", which was complete Greek to me. Thankful, we could learn chords and tablature (and online tutorials) and skip all the discouraging stuff. I have thoroughly enjoyed being a 'novice' musician all these years.

 

[psikeyhackr]

I have played banjo, guitar, and bass at various times since I was a teenager. I don't know scales, or how to read music. Back then if you obtained a "learn to play..." book the first thing it wanted to teach was the "rudiments of music", which was complete Greek to me. Thankful, we could learn chords and tablature (and online tutorials) and skip all the discouraging stuff. I have thoroughly enjoyed being a 'novice' musician all these years.

I am somewhat bemused by not seeing lots of talk and advertising about music education with tablets.

These things have more processing power than 1980s mainframes that cost millions. These screens can display notes while playing it thru speakers.

Most kids could know how to read music if they had the slightest desire.

Most of the so-called science fiction these days contains no science.

 

[initforme]

You can get rich on $20/hr.

Lmao yes you sure can. Lol lol

 

[Woodznutz]

Lmao yes you sure can. Lol lol

$20/hr. is an excellent place to start.

Live at home or share rent with others, live cheap and save up for trade school, college, real estate or a business. By the time you have enough you will be mature enough to take education and your future seriously. You will also have abundant work experience. Plus, if you are a valuable employee, you will likely rise in the company, earning more pay and benefits.

 

[Jarlaxle]

What other options are there? Start off working for a low wage for some slumeball owner? Nope. If I'm putting money aside there is no other viable choice.

Nonresponsive. Again: what would you have done had one of them simply said, "No," to college?

I have played banjo, guitar, and bass at various times since I was a teenager. I don't know scales, or how to read music. Back then if you obtained a "learn to play..." book the first thing it wanted to teach was the "rudiments of music", which was complete Greek to me. Thankful, we could learn chords and tablature (and online tutorials) and skip all the discouraging stuff. I have thoroughly enjoyed being a 'novice' musician all these years.

Another "novice" musician who couldn't read music was guitar master Glen Campbell.