the biggest problem with public schools is

[Unkotare]

...t kids today will come up to you and curse you up one side and down the other and they can do nothing about it, or if they try, they will get sued and/or lose their job.
...

Not true.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Nope

Just you
Just parents

Nobody else

 

[DGS49]

Truisms from the outside.

Problem #1 public school students are taught by government employees (and the schools are administered by government employees). This means that at most, 20% of them are competent and diligent. 20% are doing everything imaginable to avoid work, and the remaining 60% are just putting in time in anticipation of their early retirement. This is true for ALL government agencies. It is the nature of the animal, and the nature of those who are "called" to work there. With a few exceptions, tf they had any ambition, they would not be working for the government.

Problem #2 is teachers' unions. They are anti-productive when it comes to education. They work to maximize teachers' compensation and benefits, protect the worst performers, and limit the amount of actual work that teachers do. Never forget that the teachers' unions sabotaged all of American public education during the pandemic, and were never called on it. The whole school system lost a year or two of education for no good reason, and it was the fault of the teachers' unions. They are just like every other labor union (NOT craft unions or professional unions). Unfortunately, unlike American businesses, we can't just shut them down and move them off shore.

Problem #3 is the ACLU and its fellow travelers, who have introduced, successfully, the concept that school students are "citizens with rights!" It is insidious.

Problem #4, of course, is the culture, which DOES NOT VALUE academic excellence. Some parents value academic excellence, and often they are able to manage their children's education in a way that elicits a "good education" from a system that manifestly is not designed to produce one, but these parents are in the minority overall. How "good" a school district is, is usually determined almost exclusively by the percentage of such parents who sire the students. Interscholastic sports are part of the problem. They keep some of the kids out of juvenile court, which is a good thing I suppose, but overall they are a massive distraction from the theoretical mission of the schools - educating kids.

Money - spending per pupil - has almost nothing to do with it. If a school district has too little money to provide adequate buildings, books, libraries, cafeterias, and so on, then that is a problem, but the examples are too numerous to mention of schools that are funded up the wazoo (D.C., Philadelphia, Chicago, Baltimore, etc.), and yet get "outcomes" that are positively dreadful. In those cases, it is the families and households that are the cause of the problem, and more money dumped in the schools is just a waste, demonstrating nothing more than politicians' having no idea what to do so spending OPM in the hope that voters won't notice that the money is wasted.

 

[Moonglow]

I have talked to a teacher and a school bus driver in those hell holes.

Both tell me that kids today will come up to you and curse you up one side and down the other and they can do nothing about it, or if they try, they will get sued and/or lose their job.

The school bus driver ended up quitting anyway and the teacher is in the midst of maybe teaching is a state run prison where they can actually stop students from treating you so badly.

Teaching discipline and basic self-control is perhaps the most important lesson we can teach children, but unfortunately, it is no longer allowed.

Not to worry, children can now tell you the half billion different pronoun genders now.

Yay.

It must be allowed since my kids did not act that way in school.

 

[Unkotare]

^^^ Another asshole who knows NOTHING about education but constantly posts pretending to be an expert.

 

[debbiedowner]

I have talked to a teacher and a school bus driver in those hell holes.

Both tell me that kids today will come up to you and curse you up one side and down the other and they can do nothing about it, or if they try, they will get sued and/or lose their job.

The school bus driver ended up quitting anyway and the teacher is in the midst of maybe teaching is a state run prison where they can actually stop students from treating you so badly.

Teaching discipline and basic self-control is perhaps the most important lesson we can teach children, but unfortunately, it is no longer allowed.

Not to worry, children can now tell you the half billion different pronoun genders now.

Yay.

So you're saying it was the teachers at public schools who did this? Nope, it was the parents. It all begins at home.

 

[Votto]

So you're saying it was the teachers at public schools who did this? Nope, it was the parents. It all begins at home.

No retard, I'm saying that teachers are powerless to employ any kind of discipline, which means these monsters will never learn respect for authority since they don' get it at home either from the democrat voting parents, until shot dead by the police.

It would have been nice to see them spanked in school instead.

But it's not just about the kids retard. Adults should not have to undergo that kind of verbal abuse either.

This has been a public service notice to all half-wits here at USMB.

 

[Votto]

These children have been raised in the DEI DNC death cult, or should we rename DEI DIE?

They will either be shot dead by police or wind up in jail

Thanks Dims!!

 

[Unkotare]

No retard, I'm saying that teachers are powerless to employ any kind of discipline,...

Wrong.

 

[DGS49]

If the lack of discipline is not the problem, then why are parochial schools so much better in this regard? Night and day.

 

[WorldWatcher]

If the lack of discipline is not the problem, then why are parochial schools so much better in this regard? Night and day.

#1 Parent invovlement,

#2 They can kick out problem students.

WW

 

[debbiedowner]

No retard, I'm saying that teachers are powerless to employ any kind of discipline, which means these monsters will never learn respect for authority since they don' get it at home either from the democrat voting parents, until shot dead by the police.

It would have been nice to see them spanked in school instead.

But it's not just about the kids retard. Adults should not have to undergo that kind of verbal abuse either.

This has been a public service notice to all half-wits here at USMB.

Well, retard I guess you should have said what you meant. I guess as fucking dumb as you are you think everyone can read you're mind, what little there is of it.

 

[hondo 50]

everything

 

[SweetSue92]

Truisms from the outside.

Problem #1 public school students are taught by government employees (and the schools are administered by government employees). This means that at most, 20% of them are competent and diligent. 20% are doing everything imaginable to avoid work, and the remaining 60% are just putting in time in anticipation of their early retirement. This is true for ALL government agencies. It is the nature of the animal, and the nature of those who are "called" to work there. With a few exceptions, tf they had any ambition, they would not be working for the government.

Problem #2 is teachers' unions. They are anti-productive when it comes to education. They work to maximize teachers' compensation and benefits, protect the worst performers, and limit the amount of actual work that teachers do. Never forget that the teachers' unions sabotaged all of American public education during the pandemic, and were never called on it. The whole school system lost a year or two of education for no good reason, and it was the fault of the teachers' unions. They are just like every other labor union (NOT craft unions or professional unions). Unfortunately, unlike American businesses, we can't just shut them down and move them off shore.

Problem #3 is the ACLU and its fellow travelers, who have introduced, successfully, the concept that school students are "citizens with rights!" It is insidious.

Problem #4, of course, is the culture, which DOES NOT VALUE academic excellence. Some parents value academic excellence, and often they are able to manage their children's education in a way that elicits a "good education" from a system that manifestly is not designed to produce one, but these parents are in the minority overall. How "good" a school district is, is usually determined almost exclusively by the percentage of such parents who sire the students. Interscholastic sports are part of the problem. They keep some of the kids out of juvenile court, which is a good thing I suppose, but overall they are a massive distraction from the theoretical mission of the schools - educating kids.

Money - spending per pupil - has almost nothing to do with it. If a school district has too little money to provide adequate buildings, books, libraries, cafeterias, and so on, then that is a problem, but the examples are too numerous to mention of schools that are funded up the wazoo (D.C., Philadelphia, Chicago, Baltimore, etc.), and yet get "outcomes" that are positively dreadful. In those cases, it is the families and households that are the cause of the problem, and more money dumped in the schools is just a waste, demonstrating nothing more than politicians' having no idea what to do so spending OPM in the hope that voters won't notice that the money is wasted.

Three days in my job. Three put together, you wouldn't last.

I teach 150 elementary children a DAY and have for 30+ years.

 

[Manonthestreet]

 

[Manonthestreet]

BS. Some Americans voted a convicted felon for presiidency. The people who did that are the problem, not the public schools.

 

[Flopper]

the public school students are out of control. the American students have no discipline. the difference between the American students and the Korean students is night and day.

I would agree with that but discipline begins at home. If parent refuse to discipline their kids, discipline at school is not likely to turn them around.

 

[frigidweirdo]

the public school students are out of control. the American students have no discipline. the difference between the American students and the Korean students is night and day.

And this is all about US society, and US government.

The US wants freedom, more freedom than might be healthy.

Kids have "rights" and they know it. Parents don't have responsibilities for their kids.

It's a choice and the US has chosen its path

 

[frigidweirdo]

I would agree with that but discipline begins at home. If parent refuse to discipline their kids, discipline at school is not likely to turn them around.

And the problem that comes with generations of people who have lost hope with their lives... and this comes from things like slavery and segregation and black people being put in bad schools and not given opportunities. The impact of the 1950s and before is still here.

But even in the modern era, nothing effective is being put in place to change this, because the rich are in charge and they just want to get richer.

 

[Mac-7]

BS. Some Americans voted a convicted felon for presiidency. The people who did that are the problem, not the public schools.

Convicted by partisan libs in a kangaroo court

“Look-Over-Thereism wont save the lib public education system from blame

Its a failure