The big mistake Americans made was thinking a business man can create jobs as president

[meaner gene]

Still no graph?

Impatient to get your ass handed to you?
(see preceeding post, where it shows the unemployment rate started going down in 2010, and 2011 had no effect on the constant decline.

 

[meaner gene]

The unemployment rate didn't drop like a rock till after January 2009 when the Republicans came in and got rid of 99 weeks of unemployment.

Republicans didn't get control until 2011, which was well after the unemployment rate started its constant downward rate from 2010 onward.

 

[Mac1958]

The unemployment rate didn't drop like a rock till after January 2009 when the Republicans came in and got rid of 99 weeks of unemployment.

Republicans didn't get control until 2011, which was well after the unemployment rate started its constant downward rate from 2010 onward.

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You're trying to communicate with people who, among their ranks, blame Obama for the Meltdown.

That is a level of willful ignorance that probably cannot be breached, regardless of the evidence you present.

 

[meaner gene]

The unemployment rate didn't drop like a rock till after January 2009 when the Republicans came in and got rid of 99 weeks of unemployment.

I warned you. Claiming the republicans came in (took control) of congress in January 2009.

Second that the unemployment rate dropped like a rock starting in January 2009, when it continued to climb for another 10 months.

If you want to demand graphs, please start with a post that the graphs don't completely destroy your claim

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The unemployment rate didn't drop like a rock till after January 2009 when the Republicans came in and got rid of 99 weeks of unemployment.

Republicans didn't get control until 2011, which was well after the unemployment rate started its constant downward rate from 2010 onward.

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You're trying to communicate with people who, among their ranks, blame Obama for the Meltdown.

That is a level of willful ignorance that probably cannot be breached, regardless of the evidence you present.

And Gene thinks the $3 billion wasted on Cash for clunkers in July 2009,
ended the recession by June 2009.

 

[meaner gene]

You're trying to communicate with people who, among their ranks, blame Obama for the Meltdown.

That is a level of willful ignorance that probably cannot be breached, regardless of the evidence you present.

I gave him two warnings that what he was saying was completely wrong. But he insisted on embarrassing himself.

It's not my fault.

 

[meaner gene]

And Gene thinks the $3 billion wasted on Cash for clunkers in July 2009,
ended the recession by June 2009.

As I posted that was from the National Bureau of Economic Research.

The official government agency that does that shit.

 

[Mac1958]

You're trying to communicate with people who, among their ranks, blame Obama for the Meltdown.

That is a level of willful ignorance that probably cannot be breached, regardless of the evidence you present.

I gave him two warnings that what he was saying was completely wrong. But he insisted on embarrassing himself.

It's not my fault.

Well, all they know is what they're taught by talk radio. That means at least half of reality is not even on their radar.

They've been taught to view any and all contrary information as "fake news", so in a way, they're like victims. Kind of.

 

[Mac1958]

Um so how? Seriously think about it. How? How does business experience translate into GOVERNMENT policy of economic growth? Sure, It sounds reasonable to say a business man knows how to create jobs for a nation, but their experience really only applies to a private business creating jobs. It doesn’t apply to knowledge in economics on a macro level. Trump himself barely even qualifies either way. Daddy gave him 10’s of millions of dollars in the 80’s with 80’s dollar inflation. Trump would be a Wal-Mart greeter today if it weren’t daddy.

Also, think of what big corporations actually do in America. The CEO and board have a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit. How, in part, do they do this? By minimizing as much investment into labor as possible.

They ask the question “well, we would prefer to pay the minimum wage, but we also want to make our job positions attractive enough so that people will still take them. How high do we need to make the wage to fulfill that basic need? Obviously we aren’t concerned whether or not someone can live off the wage. That’s their problem.”

None of that shit is wisdom meant for benefiting citizens on an egalitarian level.

Being a businessman doesn't guarantee that a person will be better at creating jobs, or that they won't.

It's more about leadership, pragmatism, understanding of macroeconomics and effective communication skills.

Trump lacks those qualities, obviously, but he did inherit a falling unemployment rate.

 

[Wyatt earp]

The unemployment rate didn't drop like a rock till after January 2009 when the Republicans came in and got rid of 99 weeks of unemployment.

Republicans didn't get control until 2011, which was well after the unemployment rate started its constant downward rate from 2010 onward.

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You're trying to communicate with people who, among their ranks, blame Obama for the Meltdown.

That is a level of willful ignorance that probably cannot be breached, regardless of the evidence you present.

Fuck you, when did I ever blame Obama for the melt down?


Obama slowed the recovery down with his threats of $15 bucks an hour minimum wage, Obama care...



I am arguing with idiots who can't tell me what did Obama do?

He was an anti business, anti jobs, anti fracking, anti drilling, anti pipeline president, the only one who saved him was Republican govenors and Janet yellen

 

[Mac1958]

The unemployment rate didn't drop like a rock till after January 2009 when the Republicans came in and got rid of 99 weeks of unemployment.

Republicans didn't get control until 2011, which was well after the unemployment rate started its constant downward rate from 2010 onward.

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You're trying to communicate with people who, among their ranks, blame Obama for the Meltdown.

That is a level of willful ignorance that probably cannot be breached, regardless of the evidence you present.

Fuck you, when did I ever blame Obama for the melt down?


Obama slowed the recovery down with his threats of $15 bucks an hour minimum wage, Obama care...



I am arguing with idiots who can't tell me what did Obama do?

He was an anti business, anti jobs, anti fracking, anti drilling, anti pipeline president, the only one who saved him was Republican govenors and Janet yellen

Try to calm down.

 

[meaner gene]

I gave him two warnings that what he was saying was completely wrong. But he insisted on embarrassing himself.

It's not my fault.

Well, all they know is what they're taught by talk radio. That means at least half of reality is not even on their radar.

They've been taught to view any and all contrary information as "fake news", so in a way, they're like victims. Kind of.

This isn't the first time people get their facts wrong because they give a recollection of a carefully worded talking point they heard.

An example is when they say that 44% of people don't pay taxes.

The quote is actually that 44% of people don't pay federal income tax. Not taxes in total. Even the poorest of the poor pay a shitload of taxes, from sales tax, social security tax, gasoline tax, the list is endless. The governments great and small have their hands picking your pocket, but it's only federal income tax that almost half the people don't pay.

 

[Wyatt earp]

You're trying to communicate with people who, among their ranks, blame Obama for the Meltdown.

That is a level of willful ignorance that probably cannot be breached, regardless of the evidence you present.

I gave him two warnings that what he was saying was completely wrong. But he insisted on embarrassing himself.

It's not my fault.

Well, all they know is what they're taught by talk radio. That means at least half of reality is not even on their radar.

They've been taught to view any and all contrary information as "fake news", so in a way, they're like victims. Kind of.

Again fuck you

I am taught by living through it and researching asshole fake conservative

 

[Wyatt earp]

I gave him two warnings that what he was saying was completely wrong. But he insisted on embarrassing himself.

It's not my fault.

Well, all they know is what they're taught by talk radio. That means at least half of reality is not even on their radar.

They've been taught to view any and all contrary information as "fake news", so in a way, they're like victims. Kind of.

This isn't the first time people get their facts wrong because they give a recollection of a carefully worded talking point they heard.

An example is when they say that 44% of people don't pay taxes.

The quote is actually that 44% of people don't pay federal income tax. Not taxes in total. Even the poorest of the poor pay a shitload of taxes, from sales tax, social security tax, gasoline tax, the list is endless. The governments great and small have their hands picking your pocket, but it's only federal income tax that almost half the people don't pay.

Because I am arguing with an idiot, who changes the goal post and refuses to tell us what Obama did besides cash for clunkers and copying off Bush Jr.

 

[Mac1958]

You're trying to communicate with people who, among their ranks, blame Obama for the Meltdown.

That is a level of willful ignorance that probably cannot be breached, regardless of the evidence you present.

I gave him two warnings that what he was saying was completely wrong. But he insisted on embarrassing himself.

It's not my fault.

Well, all they know is what they're taught by talk radio. That means at least half of reality is not even on their radar.

They've been taught to view any and all contrary information as "fake news", so in a way, they're like victims. Kind of.

Again fuck you

I am taught by living through it and researching asshole fake conservative

What is this "fake conservative" stuff?

And I lived through it as CFP/Investment Advisor and have studied it for 10 years. You're out of your league here.

 

[meaner gene]

Being a businessman doesn't guarantee that a person will be better at creating jobs, or that they won't.

It's more about leadership, pragmatism, understanding of macroeconomics and effective communication skills.

Trump lacks those qualities, obviously, but he did inherit a falling unemployment rate.

Herbert Hoover was a successful businessman

He opened his own mining consulting business in 1908; by 1914, Hoover was financially secure, earning his wealth from high-salaried positions, his ownership of profitable Burmese silver mines, and royalties from writing the leading textbook on mining engineering.

That didn't work out well.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Again my graph, Obama stimulous kicked in 2009, the unemployment went up didn't shoot back down. Till the Republicans got both houses and got rid of the 99 weeks of unemployment

 

[Mac1958]

Being a businessman doesn't guarantee that a person will be better at creating jobs, or that they won't.

It's more about leadership, pragmatism, understanding of macroeconomics and effective communication skills.

Trump lacks those qualities, obviously, but he did inherit a falling unemployment rate.

Herbert Hoover was a successful businessman

He opened his own mining consulting business in 1908; by 1914, Hoover was financially secure, earning his wealth from high-salaried positions, his ownership of profitable Burmese silver mines, and royalties from writing the leading textbook on mining engineering.

That didn't work out well.

Two very different required skill sets. So it depends largely on the individual's personal abilities.

 

[meaner gene]

Again my graph, Obama stimulous kicked in 2009, the unemployment went up didn't shoot back down. Till the Republicans got both houses and got rid of the 99 weeks of unemployment

Once more with gusto. The unemployment started going down (steadily) in 2010.

The republicans didn't take control until a year later, where the rate that unemployment declined (slope of the graph) didn't change.

 

[meaner gene]

Two very different required skill sets. So it depends largely on the individual's personal abilities.

Hoovers view of the depression was similar to Trumps view of the pandemic. Both thought it would disappear on it's own after a few months. So they didn't do anything right away.