The Bible as Science

PoliticalChic

Diamond Member
Joined
Oct 6, 2008
Messages
104,785
Reaction score
39,442
Points
2,260
Location
Brooklyn, NY
Or,....Science: A Witness Attesting To Biblical Accuracy
Science is the collection of correct knowledge. Whether it is 'correct' is determined via empirical data, and the scientific method.

The historical accuracy of the Bible is proven by the science of archaeology....and, the, astounding as it is, the modern views of cosmology, the study of the origin of the universe, also verifies the Bible.
I'll get to that....


First.....the reason this post is necessary: the political milieu.

1.To be an adherent to the various iterations of the Left....Communism, Fascism, Liberalism, Socialism, Progressivism, or Nazism....one must engage in a full court press against the Bible, and against religion.

Here's the view:
a. "Just because any religious idea, any idea of any god at all, any flirtation even with a god, is the most inexpressible foulness, particularly tolerantly (and often even favourably) accepted by the democratic bourgeoisie—for that very reason it is the most dangerous foulness, the most shameful “infection.” A million physical sins, dirty tricks, acts of violence and infections are much more easily discovered by the crowd, and therefore are much less dangerous, than the nubile, spiritual idea of god, dressed up in the most attractive “ideological” costumes."
Letter from Lenin to Maxim Gorky,
Written on November 13 or 14, 1913 Lenin 55. TO MAXIM GORKY

Here's the reason for the view:
b. "There is no God
This concept is an essential element of Marxism. As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism." If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses.
When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor.
The Schwarz Report | Essays

Most scientists believe in God.


2. One of the oblique attacks is by atheistic/Marxist academics....many are referred to as 'historians'....who make a career out of attacks on the historicity of the Bible. The subtext is that if events in the Bible can be cast as false, well....perhaps the less astute would agree with the Left that the rules for life must be as well.



Archaeology, though has often sunk that boat.
As in this case: King Belshazzar.

"Of all the books of the Bible, perhaps none has suffered so many attacks from the historical critical school as the Book of Daniel. Virtually every story in the book has been derided as a fanciful post-Exile invention."
The Belshazzar Problem

This, for example:
"Belshazzar the king made a great feast for a thousand of his nobles: and every one drank according to his age" (Dan. 5:1).

"And being now drunk he commanded that they should bring the vessels of gold and silver which Nebuchadnezzar his father had brought away out of the temple" (Dan. 5:2).

"That very night Belshazzar, king of the Babylonians, was slain. And Darius the Mede succeeded to the kingdom" (Dan. 5:31).



So....according to the Bible, Belshazzar was King of Babylonians, son of Nebuchadnezzar, and he was killed by the Persians.

a. "Since the 19th century, some historians such as Robert Dick Wilson and W. H. Stevenson have disputed Belshazzar's reign as a king."
Belshazzar - Wikipedia



So....short of calling 'GhostBusters,' who ya' gonna believe?
I'll answer that next.
 
Last edited:

NYcarbineer

Diamond Member
Joined
Mar 10, 2009
Messages
117,063
Reaction score
13,860
Points
2,210
Location
Finger Lakes, NY
Or,....Science: A Witness Attesting To Biblical Accuracy
Science is the collection of correct knowledge. Whether it is 'correct' is determined via empirical data, and the scientific method.

The historical accuracy of the Bible is proven by the science of archaeology....and, the, astounding as it is, the modern views of cosmology, the study of the origin of the universe, also verifies the Bible.
I'll get to that....


First.....the reason this post is necessary: the political milieu.

1.To be an adherent to the various iterations of the Left....Communism, Fascism, Liberalism, Socialism, Progressivism, or Nazism....one must engage in a full court press against the Bible, and against religion.

Here's the view:
a. "Just because any religious idea, any idea of any god at all, any flirtation even with a god, is the most inexpressible foulness, particularly tolerantly (and often even favourably) accepted by the democratic bourgeoisie—for that very reason it is the most dangerous foulness, the most shameful “infection.” A million physical sins, dirty tricks, acts of violence and infections are much more easily discovered by the crowd, and therefore are much less dangerous, than the nubile, spiritual idea of god, dressed up in the most attractive “ideological” costumes."
Letter from Lenin to Maxim Gorky,
Written on November 13 or 14, 1913 Lenin 55. TO MAXIM GORKY

Here's the reason for the view:
b. "There is no God
This concept is an essential element of Marxism. As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism." If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses.
When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor.
The Schwarz Report | Essays

Most scientists believe in God.


2. One of the oblique attacks is by atheistic/Marxist academics....many are referred to as 'historians'....who make a career out of attacks on the historicity of the Bible. The subtext is that if events in the Bible can be cast as false, well....perhaps the less astute would agree with the Left that the rules for life must be as well.



Archaeology, though has often sunk that boat.
As in this case: King Belshazzar.

"Of all the books of the Bible, perhaps none has suffered so many attacks from the historical critical school as the Book of Daniel. Virtually every story in the book has been derided as a fanciful post-Exile invention."
The Belshazzar Problem

This, for example:
"Belshazzar the king made a great feast for a thousand of his nobles: and every one drank according to his age" (Dan. 5:1).

"And being now drunk he commanded that they should bring the vessels of gold and silver which Nebuchadnezzar his father had brought away out of the temple" (Dan. 5:2).

"That very night Belshazzar, king of the Babylonians, was slain. And Darius the Mede succeeded to the kingdom" (Dan. 5:31).



So....according to the Bible, Belshazzar was King of Babylonians, son of Nebuchadnezzar, and he was killed by the Persians.

a. "Since the 19th century, some historians such as Robert Dick Wilson and W. H. Stevenson have disputed Belshazzar's reign as a king."
Belshazzar - Wikipedia



So....short of calling 'GhostBusters,' who ya' gonna believe?
I'll answer that next.
No one is claiming that everything in the Bible in untrue. jeezus! pun intended.
 

NoNukes

Gold Member
Joined
Jul 29, 2010
Messages
14,110
Reaction score
1,938
Points
255
Location
At the computer
Or,....Science: A Witness Attesting To Biblical Accuracy
Science is the collection of correct knowledge. Whether it is 'correct' is determined via empirical data, and the scientific method.

The historical accuracy of the Bible is proven by the science of archaeology....and, the, astounding as it is, the modern views of cosmology, the study of the origin of the universe, also verifies the Bible.
I'll get to that....


First.....the reason this post is necessary: the political milieu.

1.To be an adherent to the various iterations of the Left....Communism, Fascism, Liberalism, Socialism, Progressivism, or Nazism....one must engage in a full court press against the Bible, and against religion.

Here's the view:
a. "Just because any religious idea, any idea of any god at all, any flirtation even with a god, is the most inexpressible foulness, particularly tolerantly (and often even favourably) accepted by the democratic bourgeoisie—for that very reason it is the most dangerous foulness, the most shameful “infection.” A million physical sins, dirty tricks, acts of violence and infections are much more easily discovered by the crowd, and therefore are much less dangerous, than the nubile, spiritual idea of god, dressed up in the most attractive “ideological” costumes."
Letter from Lenin to Maxim Gorky,
Written on November 13 or 14, 1913 Lenin 55. TO MAXIM GORKY

Here's the reason for the view:
b. "There is no God
This concept is an essential element of Marxism. As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism." If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses.
When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor.
The Schwarz Report | Essays

Most scientists believe in God.


2. One of the oblique attacks is by atheistic/Marxist academics....many are referred to as 'historians'....who make a career out of attacks on the historicity of the Bible. The subtext is that if events in the Bible can be cast as false, well....perhaps the less astute would agree with the Left that the rules for life must be as well.



Archaeology, though has often sunk that boat.
As in this case: King Belshazzar.

"Of all the books of the Bible, perhaps none has suffered so many attacks from the historical critical school as the Book of Daniel. Virtually every story in the book has been derided as a fanciful post-Exile invention."
The Belshazzar Problem

This, for example:
"Belshazzar the king made a great feast for a thousand of his nobles: and every one drank according to his age" (Dan. 5:1).

"And being now drunk he commanded that they should bring the vessels of gold and silver which Nebuchadnezzar his father had brought away out of the temple" (Dan. 5:2).

"That very night Belshazzar, king of the Babylonians, was slain. And Darius the Mede succeeded to the kingdom" (Dan. 5:31).



So....according to the Bible, Belshazzar was King of Babylonians, son of Nebuchadnezzar, and he was killed by the Persians.

a. "Since the 19th century, some historians such as Robert Dick Wilson and W. H. Stevenson have disputed Belshazzar's reign as a king."
Belshazzar - Wikipedia



So....short of calling 'GhostBusters,' who ya' gonna believe?
I'll answer that next.
No one is claiming that everything in the Bible in untrue. jeezus! pun intended.
That did not take you long. Well done.
 

NYcarbineer

Diamond Member
Joined
Mar 10, 2009
Messages
117,063
Reaction score
13,860
Points
2,210
Location
Finger Lakes, NY
The simple logic of Marx's atheism:

"Marx proclaims in no uncertain terms that "in the country of reason" the existence of God cannot have any meaning.

"Take paper money to a country in which this use of paper money is not known, and everyone will laugh at your subjective representation.

Go with your gods to a country in which other gods are worshipped, and you will be shown that you are the victim of fancies and abstractions. And rightly. Anyone who had brought a migrant god to the ancient Greeks, would have found the proof of the non-existence of this god, because it did not exist for the Greeks.

What is the case in a certain country for certain foreign gods, takes place for god in general in the country of reason: it is an area in which his existence ceases"

(K. Marx, Frammento dell'appendice della dissertazione dottorale, in A. Sabetti, Sulla fondazione del materialismo storico, Florence 1962, p. 415)."
 

NYcarbineer

Diamond Member
Joined
Mar 10, 2009
Messages
117,063
Reaction score
13,860
Points
2,210
Location
Finger Lakes, NY
Oh, and following on with some the content in the above post as it relates to the OP,

if the inclusion of factual material in parts of the Bible, even 'science', serves to validate the existence of the Biblical God,

wouldn't by that same reasoning mean that the vast volumes of great writings that came from the Greeks in their day validate and verfiy the existence of the Greek Gods? eh?
 
Last edited:

Jantje_Smit

Member of the Politburo
Joined
Oct 12, 2013
Messages
11,230
Reaction score
7,928
Points
2,055
Location
51°55′N 4°30′E
The historical accuracy of the Bible is proven by the science of archaeology....and, the, astounding as it is, the modern views of cosmology, the study of the origin of the universe, also verifies the Bible.
I'll get to that....
That should be good, I always loved the story of Noah's ark, have archeaologists finally found it?

:popcorn:
 

SassyIrishLass

Diamond Member
Joined
Mar 31, 2009
Messages
67,949
Reaction score
26,237
Points
2,250
The historical accuracy of the Bible is proven by the science of archaeology....and, the, astounding as it is, the modern views of cosmology, the study of the origin of the universe, also verifies the Bible.
I'll get to that....
That should be good, I always loved the story of Noah's ark, have archeaologists finally found it?

:popcorn:
Right next to those transitional fossils that would help the theory of evolution

:popcorn:
 

NYcarbineer

Diamond Member
Joined
Mar 10, 2009
Messages
117,063
Reaction score
13,860
Points
2,210
Location
Finger Lakes, NY
The historical accuracy of the Bible is proven by the science of archaeology....and, the, astounding as it is, the modern views of cosmology, the study of the origin of the universe, also verifies the Bible.
I'll get to that....
That should be good, I always loved the story of Noah's ark, have archeaologists finally found it?

:popcorn:
She's done this thread before. She claims the timeline of the Genesis creation matches the scientific timeline.
I remember this because I remember pointing out that Genesis says the God created the birds before he created the dinosaurs, lol.
I think she responded by calling me a bad name.
 

NYcarbineer

Diamond Member
Joined
Mar 10, 2009
Messages
117,063
Reaction score
13,860
Points
2,210
Location
Finger Lakes, NY
The historical accuracy of the Bible is proven by the science of archaeology....and, the, astounding as it is, the modern views of cosmology, the study of the origin of the universe, also verifies the Bible.
I'll get to that....
That should be good, I always loved the story of Noah's ark, have archeaologists finally found it?

:popcorn:
Right next to those transitional fossils that would help the theory of evolution

:popcorn:
It's hilarious how the creationists think because they find ONE 'hole' in the theory of evolution, they can justify tossing the whole thing in the trash,

but one, or a hundred, or a thousand holes in the Creation 'theory' are meaningless and of no relevance to its validity.
 

SassyIrishLass

Diamond Member
Joined
Mar 31, 2009
Messages
67,949
Reaction score
26,237
Points
2,250
The historical accuracy of the Bible is proven by the science of archaeology....and, the, astounding as it is, the modern views of cosmology, the study of the origin of the universe, also verifies the Bible.
I'll get to that....
That should be good, I always loved the story of Noah's ark, have archeaologists finally found it?

:popcorn:
Right next to those transitional fossils that would help the theory of evolution

:popcorn:
It's hilarious how the creationists think because they find ONE 'hole' in the theory of evolution, they can justify tossing the whole thing in the trash,

but one, or a hundred, or a thousand holes in the Creation 'theory' are meaningless and of no relevance to its validity.
It's called a theory for a good reason, dumb deer
 

Jantje_Smit

Member of the Politburo
Joined
Oct 12, 2013
Messages
11,230
Reaction score
7,928
Points
2,055
Location
51°55′N 4°30′E
She's done this thread before. She claims the timeline of the Genesis creation matches the scientific timeline.
I remember this because I remember pointing out that Genesis says the God created the birds before he created the dinosaurs, lol.
I think she responded by calling me a bad name.
I didn't know she was a bible nut, doesn't that conflict with the Ayn Rand idology?

Not that anyone ever accused her of being rational of course

:alcoholic:
 

NYcarbineer

Diamond Member
Joined
Mar 10, 2009
Messages
117,063
Reaction score
13,860
Points
2,210
Location
Finger Lakes, NY
She's done this thread before. She claims the timeline of the Genesis creation matches the scientific timeline.
I remember this because I remember pointing out that Genesis says the God created the birds before he created the dinosaurs, lol.
I think she responded by calling me a bad name.
I didn't know she was a bible nut, doesn't that conflict with the Ayn Rand idology?

Not that anyone ever accused her of being rational of course

:alcoholic:
It's the a la carte menu. The one where you don't have to eat your vegetables in order to get dessert.
 

NYcarbineer

Diamond Member
Joined
Mar 10, 2009
Messages
117,063
Reaction score
13,860
Points
2,210
Location
Finger Lakes, NY
The historical accuracy of the Bible is proven by the science of archaeology....and, the, astounding as it is, the modern views of cosmology, the study of the origin of the universe, also verifies the Bible.
I'll get to that....
That should be good, I always loved the story of Noah's ark, have archeaologists finally found it?

:popcorn:
Right next to those transitional fossils that would help the theory of evolution

:popcorn:
It's hilarious how the creationists think because they find ONE 'hole' in the theory of evolution, they can justify tossing the whole thing in the trash,

but one, or a hundred, or a thousand holes in the Creation 'theory' are meaningless and of no relevance to its validity.
It's called a theory for a good reason, dumb deer
Yes, evolution is called a theory and is the most widely accepted theory because it's the one that makes the most sense.

Google 'sense' if I've lost you with that.
 
OP
PoliticalChic

PoliticalChic

Diamond Member
Joined
Oct 6, 2008
Messages
104,785
Reaction score
39,442
Points
2,260
Location
Brooklyn, NY
....according to the Bible, Belshazzar was King of Babylonians, son of Nebuchadnezzar, and he was killed by the Persians.

a. "Since the 19th century, some historians such as Robert Dick Wilson and W. H. Stevenson have disputed Belshazzar's reign as a king."
Belshazzar - Wikipedia



3. As the reference to King Belshazzar was only found in the Bible...historians would not accept his existence. The belief was that King Nabonidus was the final king of Babylon and that he was not killed.




But...."In 1854, British Consul John Taylor was excavating an ancient ziggurat, or temple, located in the area of ancient Ur, an area ruled by Babylon, in what is now the Dhi Qar province of Iraq.

There, he discovered what became known as the Nabonidus Cylinders. On these cylindrical clay documents, King Nabonidus recorded the history of the ziggurat and made a request to his god:

“[A]s for Belshazzar, the eldest son, the offspring of my heart, the fear of thy great divinity cause thou to exist in his heart, and let not sin possess him, let him be satisfied with fullness of life.” The Bible: Legend or Literal?




"In 1979, an archaeological discovery was unearthed in northern Syria, that of a life-sized statue of a ruler of ancient Gozan. On its skirt were two inscriptions, one in Assyrian and the other in Aramaic—the language of the Belshazzar account in Daniel."
Belshazzar - Wikipedia





Belshazzar ......minor, you say? Perhaps...insignificant?

Agreed.....

But is certainly a case where archaeology, scientific evidence, verified a biblical account.
A good place to begin.....much more to follow.
 

Jantje_Smit

Member of the Politburo
Joined
Oct 12, 2013
Messages
11,230
Reaction score
7,928
Points
2,055
Location
51°55′N 4°30′E
It's called a theory for a good reason, dumb deer
As Stephen Hawking says, it's impossible to ever prove a scientific theory so there aren't really any scientific laws only theories that become more accepted as more evidence is found to support it

Religion doesn't require proof, just faith

:popcorn:
 

SassyIrishLass

Diamond Member
Joined
Mar 31, 2009
Messages
67,949
Reaction score
26,237
Points
2,250
It's called a theory for a good reason, dumb deer
As Stephen Hawking says, it's impossible to ever prove a scientific theory so there aren't really any scientific laws only theories that become more accepted as more evidence is found to support it

Religion doesn't require proof, just faith

:popcorn:
And I have tons of fatih...I've witnessed God at work. That's good enough for me

Hawkins is a little out in left field and should stick to science and stop theologizing
 

Mr Clean

Gold Member
Joined
Aug 23, 2009
Messages
16,554
Reaction score
4,515
Points
290
She's done this thread before. She claims the timeline of the Genesis creation matches the scientific timeline.
I remember this because I remember pointing out that Genesis says the God created the birds before he created the dinosaurs, lol.
I think she responded by calling me a bad name.
Talking snakes and all?
 

New Topics

Most reactions - Past 7 days

Forum List

Top