Zone1 The Best Evidence For The Resurrection

[Meriweather]

Surely your religion comforts you with the belief that whatever misfortunes this world inflicts upon you, you will enjoy an eternity free from such experiences and concerns?

That is not what I imagine the afterlife to be. Actually, I've seldom imagined the afterlife beyond being of the opinion that it will take care of itself. In the meantime, I focus on life in the here and now. Life here (for some of us) can be overwhelming at times. It can get in the way of who we want to be or become. This is why I have latched on to following The Way (Christianity). An Old Testament Bible verse also has held great meaning/direction for me: God saying, "Be perfect as I am perfect." Fortunately, with my great interest in Biblical etymology, I learned that 'perfect' has a different meaning than the one to which we are accustomed. It means complete. Ever find yourself thinking, "Well, that didn't go to my complete satisfaction!" ? Prayer, meditation, contemplation, The Way, can assist and direct one to the complete.

I remember someone saying you were projecting about something. Could it be you were also projecting your way of thinking onto me? It made me wonder if it is your beliefs (or non-beliefs) about Christianity/faith are what comfort you? i.e., a Thank goodness I don't believe in all of that! ? Therefore you were imagining my beliefs comfort me? The reality is my beliefs spur me into becoming the person I could be/want to be/was meant to be (before life got into the way). What good is comfort when one is building oneself?

Christianity (and Judaism from which Christianity is rooted) is about how to live life in the here and now. Yes, I know that some Christian denominations focus on the hereafter. My denomination is more about living life now, because now is where eternity begins.

 

[Hypatia415]

That is not what I imagine the afterlife to be. Actually, I've seldom imagined the afterlife beyond being of the opinion that it will take care of itself. In the meantime, I focus on life in the here and now. Life here (for some of us) can be overwhelming at times. It can get in the way of who we want to be or become. This is why I have latched on to following The Way (Christianity). An Old Testament Bible verse also has held great meaning/direction for me: God saying, "Be perfect as I am perfect." Fortunately, with my great interest in Biblical etymology, I learned that 'perfect' has a different meaning than the one to which we are accustomed. It means complete. Ever find yourself thinking, "Well, that didn't go to my complete satisfaction!" ? Prayer, meditation, contemplation, The Way, can assist and direct one to the complete.

I can only opine that whatever gets you through works for you.

I remember someone saying you were projecting about something. Could it be you were also projecting your way of thinking onto me?

No

It made me wonder if it is your beliefs (or non-beliefs) about Christianity/faith are what comfort you? i.e., a Thank goodness I don't believe in all of that! ?

I tend to the Epicurean view and as you doubtless know that is not about hedonism and over-indulgence.

Christianity (and Judaism from which Christianity is rooted) is about how to live life in the here and now. Yes, I know that some Christian denominations focus on the hereafter. My denomination is more about living life now, because now is where eternity begins.

Trying to do no harm and helping others is a moral objective that spans many ideologies and philosophies.

 

[BreezeWood]

God saying, "Be perfect as I am perfect." Fortunately, with my great interest in Biblical etymology, I learned that 'perfect' has a different meaning than the one to which we are accustomed. It means complete. Ever find yourself thinking, "Well, that didn't go to my complete satisfaction!" ? Prayer, meditation, contemplation, The Way, can assist and direct one to the complete.

perfect is indescribable and does not exist and is not heavenly - 4th century embellishment.

the heavenly goal for completeness is purity that is attainable and made available to a&e at their request for self determination, the religion of antiquity - the triumph of good vs evil - the manner to attain heavenly judgement when accomplished for admission to the everlasting.

the main 1st century reenactment from the beginning in contrast to judaism. to sin no more.

 

[BreezeWood]

I tend to the Epicurean

would that include an ability to free one's spirit past its physiology and reside however long in the everlasting, return to the heavens from whence life began.

 

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It is a charming story and the mainstay of numerous school nativity plays, but that is all it is.

Nope. The OT is man seeking God. The NT is God seeking man.

 

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I heard Jesus did return and was deported to Mexico

I heard Israel has forgotten God.

 

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God is made up but that doesnt men the concept is not real. Its not Jesus thats for damn sure. A Jew as a god with a Mexican name. Are you kidding me.

God is not made up. The Torah is man seeking God. The NT is God seeking man.

 

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On the contrary. You keep telling me that these gospels are historical records so please explain their contradictions.

There are none. Why don't you google it and see what the answer is?

Are you ever going to be able to explain when, why and how people began worshipping Jesus?

Are you ever going to be able to explain why the NT made a concerted effort to show the resurrection as an historical event if it wasn't?

 

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You claim that from the outset Jesus was worshipped as God

No. I claimed that when Jesus rise from the dead they began worshipping Jesus as God.

so why can you not address the questions I posed?

Because until you can provide an alternate explanation for how, when and why Jesus was first worshipped as God and why the NT makes a concerted effort to portray Jesus as God, I don't need to. My explanation is the only game in town.

The first Christians - who were Jews - witnessed the supernatural acts performed by Jesus - which included controlling matter, controlling nature, healing physical deformities, healing diseases, raising the dead and resurrecting himself from death - worshiped Jesus as God because they witnessed those miracles and began worshipping Jesus as God after he rose from the dead.

1. Non-Christian historians recorded that the first Christians worshiped Jesus as God because he performed supernatural feats.
2. 24,000 written manuscripts documented the supernatural feats Jesus performed and the first Christians witnessed.
3. The Babylonian Talmud confirms Jewish religious leaders put Jesus to death for sorcery and for leading Israel into apostasy as described in the gospels.
4. There are no opposing accounts that document that Jesus did not perform any supernatural acts.
5. There are no opposing accounts that argue Jesus wasn't put to death for performing sorcery and inciting Israel to apostasy.
6. There are no opposing accounts which document Jesus wasn't resurrected.
7. There are no opposing accounts that the first Christians didn't witness Jesus performing supernatural acts.
8. There are no opposing accounts that document the first Christians didn't worship Jesus as God.
9. There are no accounts that the miracles performed by Jesus were symbolic.
10. The empty tomb.
11. There are no accounts the tomb wasn't empty.
12. There are no accounts of his body being found.
13. But the most important evidence is the dramatic change in behavior of the apostles who were hiding in fear as their leader was put to death by the superpower of the day. The change in their behavior cannot be overstated. They went from cowering in fear to boldly proclaiming Jesus is Lord despite being persecuted, beaten, imprisoned and ultimately put to death for it.
14. Then there is the physical description of the risen Christ which deviated significantly from the prevailing Jewish belief of the day. If this was a conspiracy why wouldn't they just describe the risen Christ in a way that was generally accepted by Jews?
15. Then there is Paul's dissertation on the gravity of believing Jesus is Lord which shows he had nothing to gain and everything to lose and he still chose to worship Jesus as Lord.
16. There is no credible explanation that explains why the Gospels were intentionally written to present the resurrection of Christ as an historical event if indeed they are lies.
17. There is no credible explanation that explains why the apostles began worshipping Jesus as God if indeed the gospels are lies.
18. There is no credible evidence that the apostles weren't the first Christians to worship Jesus as God and were the founders of Christianity.
19. There is no credible evidence that Christianity didn't begin immediately after Jesus rose from the dead.
20. There is no credible evidence that the resurrection of Christ wasn't the catalyst for the start of Christianity.

 

[BreezeWood]

No. I claimed that when Jesus rise from the dead they began worshipping Jesus as God.

again, there is no verification for your claim which in itself negates any reason to worship jesus as a god they themself repeatedly have denied.

 

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again, there is no verification for your claim which in itself negates any reason to worship jesus as a god they themself repeatedly have denied.

You mean other than Paul's epistles, the gospels and the churches that sprang up.

But most importantly... there is no other explanation for how, when and why people began worship[ing Jesus as God or why the NT makes a concerted effort to portray it as an historical event.

 

[Meriweather]

I can only opine that whatever gets you through works for you.

I have no idea what you mean by this. Everyone gets through each minute whether or not we do anything at all.

 

[BreezeWood]

You mean other than Paul's epistles, the gospels and the churches that sprang up.

But most importantly... there is no other explanation for how, when and why people began worship[ing Jesus as God or why the NT makes a concerted effort to portray it as an historical event.

again, there is no verification for your claim which in itself negates any reason to worship jesus as a god they themself repeatedly have denied.

provide a single physical artifact from that time depicting jesus resurrecting from the dead a sculpture, clay relief, mosaic et al - there are none.

that event never occurred only its mirage is used to convince people for whatever reason they need a crutch to believe in something and that being more their makebelieve, deceptive 4th century bible than jesus.

 

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provide a single physical artifact from that time depicting jesus resurrecting from the dead a sculpture, clay relief, mosaic et al - there are none.

that event never occurred only its mirage is used to convince people for whatever reason they need a crutch to believe in something and that being more their makebelieve, deceptive 4th century bible than jesus.

You literally have no explanation for anything. I don't plan on arguing against myself.

 

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I have no idea what you mean by this. Everyone gets through each minute whether or not we do anything at all.

To me it comes down to whether or not one's worldview allows them to make sacrifices without complaint; whether they see sacrifices as an imposition or a gift; whether they go through life bitching and moaning about every little thing. I think a lot of people suffer through life. But yes, everyone gets through each minute whether or not we do anything at all. The question is whether they suffer through it or are at peace.

 

[BreezeWood]

You literally have no explanation for anything. I don't plan on arguing against myself.

you'll be losing that one as well ...

 

[Hypatia415]

would that include an ability to free one's spirit past its physiology and reside however long in the everlasting, return to the heavens from whence life began.

No.

 

[Hypatia415]

Nope. The OT is man seeking God. The NT is God seeking man.

What has that to do with what is likely a midrash?

 

[Hypatia415]

There are none.

There are many.

However, your above remark indicates you are entirely unable to assess these texts dispassionately and critically and therefore any further exchanges between us are a waste of our respective time.

 

[Hypatia415]

I have no idea what you mean by this. Everyone gets through each minute whether or not we do anything at all.

My apologies if you found what I wrote difficult to comprehend.