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The Arizona Birther Bill

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OK this ain't about the birther bill as it is about new and exciting possibilities of state governments getting more control over the presidency. The constitution says that the state legislature may choose any manor of selection for the electors of the electorial college for the president on the United States. This is the legal justification for the Arizona birther bill because each state picks the method in which the electors are to be chosen. All states have chosen a democratic method of direct voting but what if each state started to put conditions on which they will release the electors such as being a natural born citizen, not signing unbalanced budgets into law, not going to war without consent of congress, etc, etc, etc, and more etc.

Every president and canidate will then have to meet these conditions that that state legislature picks in order get that state's electorial college votes. This will put a huge restraint on the president of the United States because if a state the size of California decided not to release the electors on the issue of the president signing an unbalanced budget then that president will always sign a balanced budget for fear of not getting the biggest state in the union electorial votes.
 

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OK this ain't about the birther bill as it is about new and exciting possibilities of state governments getting more control over the presidency. The constitution says that the state legislature may choose any manor of selection for the electors of the electorial college for the president on the United States. This is the legal justification for the Arizona birther bill because each state picks the method in which the electors are to be chosen. All states have chosen a democratic method of direct voting but what if each state started to put conditions on which they will release the electors such as being a natural born citizen, not signing unbalanced budgets into law, not going to war without consent of congress, etc, etc, etc, and more etc.

Every president and canidate will then have to meet these conditions that that state legislature picks in order get that state's electorial college votes. This will put a huge restraint on the president of the United States because if a state the size of California decided not to release the electors on the issue of the president signing an unbalanced budget then that president will always sign a balanced budget for fear of not getting the biggest state in the union electorial votes.

Ooooo! This will last about 2 seconds in a federal court.
 

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Yeah, just wait till 50 different states put 100 different conditions on their electoral votes. Before you know it, no one anywhere will be able to get elected president.
 

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OK this ain't about the birther bill as it is about new and exciting possibilities of state governments getting more control over the presidency. The constitution says that the state legislature may choose any manor of selection for the electors of the electorial college for the president on the United States. This is the legal justification for the Arizona birther bill because each state picks the method in which the electors are to be chosen. All states have chosen a democratic method of direct voting but what if each state started to put conditions on which they will release the electors such as being a natural born citizen, not signing unbalanced budgets into law, not going to war without consent of congress, etc, etc, etc, and more etc.

Every president and canidate will then have to meet these conditions that that state legislature picks in order get that state's electorial college votes. This will put a huge restraint on the president of the United States because if a state the size of California decided not to release the electors on the issue of the president signing an unbalanced budget then that president will always sign a balanced budget for fear of not getting the biggest state in the union electorial votes.



Arizona is also the last state to honor MLK's birthday as a holiday.

Gotta love this backwoods state.
 

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Congratulations! Your state just became irrelevant in Presidential elections. I mean seriously what are you going to do if they dont agree? Send the voters out for the candidate that lost your state and spit in the face of the majority of the people in your state...
 
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Congratulations! Your state just became irrelevant in Presidential elections. I mean seriously what are you going to do if they dont agree? Send the voters out for the candidate that lost your state and spit in the face of the majority of the people in your state...

I checked the constitution and the majority of voters in that state can yell at their legislatures to undo what they think is a unfair restriction on their canidate.
 
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Yeah, just wait till 50 different states put 100 different conditions on their electoral votes. Before you know it, no one anywhere will be able to get elected president.

Wouldn't that put a huge check on the presidency since they want those electorial votes. They have to jump through all these conditions established by the democratic process through the state's own legislature.
 
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OK this ain't about the birther bill as it is about new and exciting possibilities of state governments getting more control over the presidency. The constitution says that the state legislature may choose any manor of selection for the electors of the electorial college for the president on the United States. This is the legal justification for the Arizona birther bill because each state picks the method in which the electors are to be chosen. All states have chosen a democratic method of direct voting but what if each state started to put conditions on which they will release the electors such as being a natural born citizen, not signing unbalanced budgets into law, not going to war without consent of congress, etc, etc, etc, and more etc.

Every president and canidate will then have to meet these conditions that that state legislature picks in order get that state's electorial college votes. This will put a huge restraint on the president of the United States because if a state the size of California decided not to release the electors on the issue of the president signing an unbalanced budget then that president will always sign a balanced budget for fear of not getting the biggest state in the union electorial votes.



Arizona is also the last state to honor MLK's birthday as a holiday.

Gotta love this backwoods state.

You can always leave if you wish.
 
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OK this ain't about the birther bill as it is about new and exciting possibilities of state governments getting more control over the presidency. The constitution says that the state legislature may choose any manor of selection for the electors of the electorial college for the president on the United States. This is the legal justification for the Arizona birther bill because each state picks the method in which the electors are to be chosen. All states have chosen a democratic method of direct voting but what if each state started to put conditions on which they will release the electors such as being a natural born citizen, not signing unbalanced budgets into law, not going to war without consent of congress, etc, etc, etc, and more etc.

Every president and canidate will then have to meet these conditions that that state legislature picks in order get that state's electorial college votes. This will put a huge restraint on the president of the United States because if a state the size of California decided not to release the electors on the issue of the president signing an unbalanced budget then that president will always sign a balanced budget for fear of not getting the biggest state in the union electorial votes.

Ooooo! This will last about 2 seconds in a federal court.

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
 

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OK this ain't about the birther bill as it is about new and exciting possibilities of state governments getting more control over the presidency. The constitution says that the state legislature may choose any manor of selection for the electors of the electorial college for the president on the United States. This is the legal justification for the Arizona birther bill because each state picks the method in which the electors are to be chosen. All states have chosen a democratic method of direct voting but what if each state started to put conditions on which they will release the electors such as being a natural born citizen, not signing unbalanced budgets into law, not going to war without consent of congress, etc, etc, etc, and more etc.

Every president and canidate will then have to meet these conditions that that state legislature picks in order get that state's electorial college votes. This will put a huge restraint on the president of the United States because if a state the size of California decided not to release the electors on the issue of the president signing an unbalanced budget then that president will always sign a balanced budget for fear of not getting the biggest state in the union electorial votes.

Ooooo! This will last about 2 seconds in a federal court.

I would agree. I would think a requirement that adds a piece of paper to a file to ensure compliance with existing federal requirements would be quite different than applying any of the 'conditions' described in the OP.
 

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OK this ain't about the birther bill as it is about new and exciting possibilities of state governments getting more control over the presidency. The constitution says that the state legislature may choose any manor of selection for the electors of the electorial college for the president on the United States. This is the legal justification for the Arizona birther bill because each state picks the method in which the electors are to be chosen. All states have chosen a democratic method of direct voting but what if each state started to put conditions on which they will release the electors such as being a natural born citizen, not signing unbalanced budgets into law, not going to war without consent of congress, etc, etc, etc, and more etc.

Every president and canidate will then have to meet these conditions that that state legislature picks in order get that state's electorial college votes. This will put a huge restraint on the president of the United States because if a state the size of California decided not to release the electors on the issue of the president signing an unbalanced budget then that president will always sign a balanced budget for fear of not getting the biggest state in the union electorial votes.

You are a fucking idiot. I can't even bother to make a logical response, because it would be such a waste of my time.

A brick has more value than you. At least a brick can be used to build something.
 

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OK this ain't about the birther bill as it is about new and exciting possibilities of state governments getting more control over the presidency. The constitution says that the state legislature may choose any manor of selection for the electors of the electorial college for the president on the United States. This is the legal justification for the Arizona birther bill because each state picks the method in which the electors are to be chosen. All states have chosen a democratic method of direct voting but what if each state started to put conditions on which they will release the electors such as being a natural born citizen, not signing unbalanced budgets into law, not going to war without consent of congress, etc, etc, etc, and more etc.

Every president and canidate will then have to meet these conditions that that state legislature picks in order get that state's electorial college votes. This will put a huge restraint on the president of the United States because if a state the size of California decided not to release the electors on the issue of the president signing an unbalanced budget then that president will always sign a balanced budget for fear of not getting the biggest state in the union electorial votes.

Ooooo! This will last about 2 seconds in a federal court.

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The manner the legislature directs must be in compliance with both federal and state laws or subsequent elections decided by improperly installed electors might just be null and void.
 
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Ooooo! This will last about 2 seconds in a federal court.

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The manner the legislature directs must be in compliance with both federal and state laws or subsequent elections decided by improperly installed electors might just be null and void.

Did that say that? It just said that the electors are chosen in a mannor that the state directs. It does not mention anything else.
 
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OK this ain't about the birther bill as it is about new and exciting possibilities of state governments getting more control over the presidency. The constitution says that the state legislature may choose any manor of selection for the electors of the electorial college for the president on the United States. This is the legal justification for the Arizona birther bill because each state picks the method in which the electors are to be chosen. All states have chosen a democratic method of direct voting but what if each state started to put conditions on which they will release the electors such as being a natural born citizen, not signing unbalanced budgets into law, not going to war without consent of congress, etc, etc, etc, and more etc.

Every president and canidate will then have to meet these conditions that that state legislature picks in order get that state's electorial college votes. This will put a huge restraint on the president of the United States because if a state the size of California decided not to release the electors on the issue of the president signing an unbalanced budget then that president will always sign a balanced budget for fear of not getting the biggest state in the union electorial votes.

You are a fucking idiot. I can't even bother to make a logical response, because it would be such a waste of my time.

A brick has more value than you. At least a brick can be used to build something.

:lol:

I once studied a chimpanzee who could not figure out how to unlock a door. After it realized it was not smart enough to think of something it went into a similar tirade as yourself. Interesting how lower primates and 'liberals' think sometimes.
 

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I once studied a chimpanzee who could not figure out how to unlock a door. After it realized it was not smart enough to think of something it went into a similar tirade as yourself. Interesting how lower primates and 'liberals' think sometimes.

Trying to have a conversation with you is impossible since that would actually require some sort of intelligence on your part.

To add to this, you're a fucking whackjob. Just a couple weeks ago you went all drama attention whore on this board and said you were going to off yourself because of this HC bill being passed.

YOU are what is wrong with America today. YOU and people like you owe my generation and those after mine a apology for fucking up this country.
 

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Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The manner the legislature directs must be in compliance with both federal and state laws or subsequent elections decided by improperly installed electors might just be null and void.

Did that say that? It just said that the electors are chosen in a mannor that the state directs. It does not mention anything else.

Yes you said as much in your OP, which you quoted in the post i responded to.

Here is what you said;
"OK this ain't about the birther bill as it is about new and exciting possibilities of state governments getting more control over the presidency. The constitution says that the state legislature may choose any manor of selection for the electors of the electorial college for the president on the United States. This is the legal justification for the Arizona birther bill because each state picks the method in which the electors are to be chosen. All states have chosen a democratic method of direct voting but what if each state started to put conditions on which they will release the electors such as being a natural born citizen, not signing unbalanced budgets into law, not going to war without consent of congress, etc, etc, etc, and more etc.

Every president and canidate will then have to meet these conditions that that state legislature picks in order get that state's electorial college votes.
This will put a huge restraint on the president of the United States because if a state the size of California decided not to release the electors on the issue of the president signing an unbalanced budget then that president will always sign a balanced budget for fear of not getting the biggest state in the union electorial votes."



and there you have it. Yes, you did say that.
 

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Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The manner the legislature directs must be in compliance with both federal and state laws or subsequent elections decided by improperly installed electors might just be null and void.

Did that say that? It just said that the electors are chosen in a mannor that the state directs. It does not mention anything else.

which means they send electors proportionately by party, via the popular vote or they send all electors in the support of the winner only...winner takes all....the state can choose this....that's what i had thought?
 

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this is retarded, fails. states should obstruct their constituent's democratic will to strong-arm random policy conditions? and this is new and exciting?

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I once studied a chimpanzee who could not figure out how to unlock a door. After it realized it was not smart enough to think of something it went into a similar tirade as yourself. Interesting how lower primates and 'liberals' think sometimes.

Trying to have a conversation with you is impossible since that would actually require some sort of intelligence on your part.

To add to this, you're a fucking whackjob. Just a couple weeks ago you went all drama attention whore on this board and said you were going to off yourself because of this HC bill being passed.

YOU are what is wrong with America today. YOU and people like you owe my generation and those after mine a apology for fucking up this country.

That is ton of hubris to demand and apology from someone else for not other reason than disagreeing with you. Can't actually win an argument so you got to scream that you deserve an apology. Should I apologize for your stupidity? You should get one from your parents for passing those genes onto you.
 
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The manner the legislature directs must be in compliance with both federal and state laws or subsequent elections decided by improperly installed electors might just be null and void.

Did that say that? It just said that the electors are chosen in a mannor that the state directs. It does not mention anything else.

Yes you said as much in your OP, which you quoted in the post i responded to.

Here is what you said;
"OK this ain't about the birther bill as it is about new and exciting possibilities of state governments getting more control over the presidency. The constitution says that the state legislature may choose any manor of selection for the electors of the electorial college for the president on the United States. This is the legal justification for the Arizona birther bill because each state picks the method in which the electors are to be chosen. All states have chosen a democratic method of direct voting but what if each state started to put conditions on which they will release the electors such as being a natural born citizen, not signing unbalanced budgets into law, not going to war without consent of congress, etc, etc, etc, and more etc.

Every president and canidate will then have to meet these conditions that that state legislature picks in order get that state's electorial college votes.
This will put a huge restraint on the president of the United States because if a state the size of California decided not to release the electors on the issue of the president signing an unbalanced budget then that president will always sign a balanced budget for fear of not getting the biggest state in the union electorial votes."



and there you have it. Yes, you did say that.

I know I said that but you said that they have to be in compliance with federal law which is not true. It has to be in compliance with the constitution and the constitution gives each state a wide latitude about how they are to choose electors.
 

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