the America Party founded by Musk

[g5000]

That is an unknown, but it will certainly hurt the GOP, that much is certain.

The irony here is that if Elon's party puts democrats back in power, the DNC will then probably spend hundreds of trillions of dollars fighting the air along with more and more free stuff, because we are Muricans and it's our right, thus further accelerating the demise of the Republic.

It's fun to watch Trump supporters whine about Democrat spending despite Donald Trump being responsible for nearly one third of the debt of all 47 presidents combined.

 

[g5000]

what happened to Ross Perot and Ron Paul?

Ross Perot gave the 1992 election to Bill Clinton.

Ron Paul's Libertarians have never received enough votes to be spoilers.

I did vote for the LP candidate in 2020, though, just because I felt those maniacs sounded more sane than either major party by this point.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Maxdeath, Blaster, Picaro, et. al. knows a bad moon is on the rise against MAGA.

 

[Votto]

Third parties only work after the collapse of one of the two other parties.

It is not the party that is the problem, it is the centralized power in the Swamp that breeds corruption.

To fix it, you need to return power to the states, otherwise, you are just putting lipstick on a pig.

 

[g5000]

Musk has the money for it, I think

He has enough money to be a spoiler, that's for sure.

There are a lot of people waiting for the right new party to come along. Independent voters vastly outnumber either major party. We make up 40 percent of voters.

There are very powerful people craving a new party who will put their considerable weight behind a viable new party.

I will wait to see Musk's platform before deciding to join up, as I am sure those who have a lot of weight will, too.

Musk is way too volatile to trust, though. I am not anywhere near optimistic this will get off the ground except to cause chaos.

That's what Musk is. A chaos agent who does not care who gets hurt.

 

[martybegan]

It is not the party that is the problem, it is the centralized power in the Swamp that breeds corruption.

To fix it, you need to return power to the states, otherwise, you are just putting lipstick on a pig.

Article V Convention time then.

The Feds won't give up power themselves.

 

[Votto]

Article V Convention time then.

The Feds won't give up power themselves.

The odds it being successful is very small, but the only alternative is fiscal implosion, or worse.

Why not try?

 

[g5000]

Here's a funny thing.

In the 19th century, there was a nativist party whose rhetoric was identical to the modern nativist rhetoric we hear from Donald Trump and the man pulling his strings, Stephen Miller, and Trump's followers.

When asked by outsiders what their party stood for, the nativists would say, "I know nothing" and thus became known as the Know Nothings, which is what I occasionally call Trump's followers.

The Know Nothings were opposed to the immigration of just about everyone but White Anglo-Saxon Protestants (WASPs).

They smeared the Irish, French, Germans, Italians, Mexicans, Chinese, Poles, everyone you could name. But they especially hated Catholics.

They accused these immigrants of bringing crime, being rapists, stealing elections, and so forth.

I have posted many of the editorial cartoons from that period on this forum to show how shockingly similar the rhetoric of the Know Nothings is to the Trump Party.

The Know Nothing party was created after the dissolution of the Whig Party. So major parties do crumble and new ones form from their ashes.

So here's the thing.

The official name of the Know Nothing party was...The American Party.

 

[g5000]

Article V Convention time then.

The Feds won't give up power themselves.

You know what will be at the top of the agenda at an Article V convention?

Repealing the Second Amendment.

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[g5000]

The American party will consist of Trump haters.

That's a lot of people.

More than enough to form a new party.

 

[martybegan]

You know what will be at the top of the agenda at an Article V convention?

Repealing the Second Amendment.

Be careful what you wish for.

You think they would get enough States to vote for that?

 

[g5000]

Karl Fetterman sounds German. Has he got German ancestors?

It's German Jew for "fat man".

 

[g5000]

The German word "fetter" translates to "shackle."

His ancestors must have been criminals.

Wrong.

 

[g5000]

You think they would get enough States to vote for that?

Absolutely.

It's about the number of delegates, not states.

It would be one hell of a fight, that's for sure. Like the one over slavery.

 

[Hector12]

I am in favor of it because it will take votes away from the Republican Party.

 

[g5000]

We've been around for hundreds of years and it has been a very long time since a third party was viable. Libertarians went from hoping for 10% of the vote to hoping for 2% of the vote. Ross Perot of the Reform Party received 20% of the vote when he ran for president and got a grand total of zero electoral votes.

Republicans and Democrats both have the deck stacked against third parties so that only one of the two of them can win. The only way to change that is to get both Republicans and Democrats to change the system that favors them. Good luck with that.

The only realistic option here is a coup of one of the two parties or both and replace them. Trump has very effectively engineered a coup of the Republican party and Progressives are attempting a coup of the Democrat party. In the end, we are still left with a two party system.

During the Era of Good Feelings, there was only one party.

 

[Zebra]

It's German Jew for "fat man".

yes, fetter Mann indeed means fat man in German
Jew or not Jew

 

[martybegan]

Absolutely.

It's about the number of delegates, not states.

It would be one hell of a fight, that's for sure. Like the one over slavery.

No, it's about the # of States. Each State only has one vote in an Article V convention, no matter how many delegates they send.

And while 2/3 of the States can propose an amendment in said convention, it still requires 3/4 of the State legislatures to approve it before it is an official amendment.

or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States,

 

[g5000]

The German word "fetter" translates to "shackle."

His ancestors must have been criminals.

No. The only German criminal in this picture is Donald Trump's grandfather. He evaded Germany's mandatory military service and was stripped of his citizenship and forced him to leave.

Now his grandson is a draft dodger who is trying to strip the citizenship of naturalized Americans.

Ironic, huh?

 

[dblack]

I am in favor of it because it will take votes away from the Republican Party.

Let's stay as short-sighted as we can manage.