The Air Force Gets it Right on Same-sex Marriage

[rightwinger]

Why is there even a certificate of appreciation for spouses? Refuse to sign it and say "there was nothing about this person I appreciate. " there you go.

Signing a certificate of appreciation is an admission that you support same sex marriage

And he doesn't have to do it. There is nothing official about a certificate of appreciation.

Now you are getting goofy

 

[Lysistrata]

Why is there even a certificate of appreciation for spouses? Refuse to sign it and say "there was nothing about this person I appreciate. " there you go.

Signing a certificate of appreciation is an admission that you support same sex marriage

And he doesn't have to do it. There is nothing official about a certificate of appreciation.

Then why didn't the stupid ***** sign it?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Why is there even a certificate of appreciation for spouses? Refuse to sign it and say "there was nothing about this person I appreciate. " there you go.

Signing a certificate of appreciation is an admission that you support same sex marriage

And he doesn't have to do it. There is nothing official about a certificate of appreciation.

Then why didn't the stupid ***** sign it?

He didn't have to. There is no law saying that he had to sign it. He could refuse to sign it because they were in a same sex relationship or he didn't like a haircut or he just felt like the spouse did nothing worth appreciating.

 

[BS Filter]

How do you figure the case isn't closed?
Cool. Why do hate the Constitution?

What a stupid comment. As I just said, the Bohannon case has provided a much- expanded opportunity for those in uniform to enjoy their Constitutional rights. How would this be hating the Constitution? Bohannon is just one guy. There are millions of people out there.

Why do you hate Christians?

Here we go again. How can you be this dumb? Some people calling themselves "Christians" have banded together to behave like assholes and try to cover it up with the brand name. They are trying to substitute a cheap knock-off for the Christian brand.

Oh yeah, the Christians are assholes because they take a stand and won't submit to your filthy perversion. Too bad. Suck it up, buttercup.

You suck it up, cutie. You don't seem to understand that this guy's views are no more important than those of any other person's, and the USAF has now put its operations under the Bohannon Rule: anyone who doesn't want to do something because it offends his or her beliefs, or who wishes to exercise any other of his or her rights guaranteed by the First Amendment now may not be subject to military discipline. It is now stuck with the precedent that was set in this case. This case has greatly expanded the rights of service members in a way that we never before thought possible.

You also don't seem to understand that "Christians" like him do not represent the entire Christian community.

P.S. nobody demanded that this guy have sex of any sort.

What a load of crap. Christians have the RIGHT to believe that marriage is a male and female. Get over it.

 

[BS Filter]

This is the way to handle these cases. If someone won't participate due to religious convictions, find someone who will. Live and let live.
Air Force clears colonel who refused to endorse same-sex spouse

shocking that the Air Force would protect their guy

the law doesn't allow that colonel to do that regardless of what the wacko bigot wants.

that's going to be a continued law suit. don't get too happy.

Who says there's going to be a lawsuit?

 

[BS Filter]

Why is there even a certificate of appreciation for spouses? Refuse to sign it and say "there was nothing about this person I appreciate. " there you go.

Signing a certificate of appreciation is an admission that you support same sex marriage

And he doesn't have to do it. There is nothing official about a certificate of appreciation.

Then why didn't the stupid ***** sign it?

Really makes you angry that the Christian wasn't forced to submit, huh.

 

[BS Filter]

He did defend the Constitution. Which part in the "free exercise thereof" are you having a problem with?

LOL

Separation of Church and State

He is representing the state

So you somehow think citizens lose their constitutional rights when they work for the state? Unbelievable stupidity.

Your position as an officer takes priority over your individual religious beliefs.

Says you. Obviously, you're wrong because he was allowed to freely exercise his beliefs.

your bigotry doesn't get enacted into law, nutcase.

Oh yeah, the entire Air Force is bigoted, huh. You Christophobic bigot.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

He is obligated to follow the law

I agree. Laws can be amended and changed. The way this was handled bother you?

We do not operate the laws according to the bible, remember separation of church and state, the Col should of been suspended and fired.

"should of"?

Pardon me, but your "dumbass" is showing!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

There won't be a lawsuit. No one is entitled to the good will of another. A voluntary vote of appreciation is voluntary.

It's like when someone gets a medal for heroism. The recommendation is not mandatory.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

He didn't discriminate against his subordinate BECAUSE OF HIS SEXUAL ORIENTATION. That is a dastardly lie. He discriminated because of his subordinate's open and notorious endorsement and practice of immoral sexual conduct (by being married to someone of the same gender).

Its the law, if he does not like it maybe he should move.

Which law would that be? Quote it.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No. That is definitely NOT all that matters. What matters EQUALLY is whether or not this airman and his husband received the honors due at this event.

The problem with you "Christian" types is that you think that you are the only ones who count and deserve special rules.

That said, to which sect/denomination does this guy belong? Not all Christians are into this sort of thing, and use of the generic term "Christian" makes it appear to the public that all adherents of the Christian faith would endorse this sort of behavior.

What I find most disturbing is that this guy was a commander and then general. Should we now worry that people placed in high-level vital military jobs will subordinate the conduct of their official duties to the dictates of whatever religion they happen to be? The idea that every service member has a Constitutional right to refuse to do something s/he doesn't want to do opens up a whole new can of worms.

And I remember the days that conscientious objects were jailed or forced to flee to Canadia, and this was back in the days when people were involuntarily conscripted. No one mollycoddled them.

This is a reason we can’t have these religious accommodation laws

It goes beyond participation in a wedding
Beyond refusal to provide anything that can be used in that wedding

Now, we have an Airforce official refusing to acknowledge the contributions and accomplishments of a person just because they are in a same sex marriage

Well, that's one narrow minded way of looking at it. The Air Force chose to not to punish the American citizen who is a Christian. No one got their rights trampled on. No one was forced to do something they didn't believe in. Once again a few posters here proved my point. It's not about rights. It's about forcing the Christian to submit. Go to hell.

you mean due to judgement of others?

What is it about the First Amendment "free exercise thereof" that you don't understand?

Nothing, no one is making the Col engage in homosexual acts. His judgement will be his ruin.

Where was the harm to the individual?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

He didn't discriminate against his subordinate BECAUSE OF HIS SEXUAL ORIENTATION. That is a dastardly lie. He discriminated because of his subordinate's open and notorious endorsement and practice of immoral sexual conduct (by being married to someone of the same gender).

Its the law, if he does not like it maybe he should move.

Which law would that be? Quote it.

Of course there is no law that anyone has to sign this optional certificate.

 

[jillian]

LOL

Separation of Church and State

He is representing the state

So you somehow think citizens lose their constitutional rights when they work for the state? Unbelievable stupidity.

Your position as an officer takes priority over your individual religious beliefs.

Says you. Obviously, you're wrong because he was allowed to freely exercise his beliefs.

your bigotry doesn't get enacted into law, nutcase.

Oh yeah, the entire Air Force is bigoted, huh. You Christophobic bigot.

UNITED STATES v. WINDSOR

 

[jillian]

This is a reason we can’t have these religious accommodation laws

It goes beyond participation in a wedding
Beyond refusal to provide anything that can be used in that wedding

Now, we have an Airforce official refusing to acknowledge the contributions and accomplishments of a person just because they are in a same sex marriage

Well, that's one narrow minded way of looking at it. The Air Force chose to not to punish the American citizen who is a Christian. No one got their rights trampled on. No one was forced to do something they didn't believe in. Once again a few posters here proved my point. It's not about rights. It's about forcing the Christian to submit. Go to hell.

you mean due to judgement of others?

What is it about the First Amendment "free exercise thereof" that you don't understand?

Nothing, no one is making the Col engage in homosexual acts. His judgement will be his ruin.

Where was the harm to the individual?

UNITED STATES v. WINDSOR

 

[BS Filter]

Well, that's one narrow minded way of looking at it. The Air Force chose to not to punish the American citizen who is a Christian. No one got their rights trampled on. No one was forced to do something they didn't believe in. Once again a few posters here proved my point. It's not about rights. It's about forcing the Christian to submit. Go to hell.

you mean due to judgement of others?

What is it about the First Amendment "free exercise thereof" that you don't understand?

Nothing, no one is making the Col engage in homosexual acts. His judgement will be his ruin.

Where was the harm to the individual?

UNITED STATES v. WINDSOR

Nice, but absolutely means nothing. This case is closed. Christians won.

 

[Taz]

Airforce didn't get anything anything. They get their orders from the Commander-in-Orange. So just following orders.

 

[rightwinger]

LOL

Separation of Church and State

He is representing the state

So you somehow think citizens lose their constitutional rights when they work for the state? Unbelievable stupidity.

Your position as an officer takes priority over your individual religious beliefs.

Says you. Obviously, you're wrong because he was allowed to freely exercise his beliefs.

your bigotry doesn't get enacted into law, nutcase.

Oh yeah, the entire Air Force is bigoted, huh. You Christophobic bigot.

Not the entire Air Force, but there are strong Christian influences that shouldn’t be there

 

[rightwinger]

He didn't discriminate against his subordinate BECAUSE OF HIS SEXUAL ORIENTATION. That is a dastardly lie. He discriminated because of his subordinate's open and notorious endorsement and practice of immoral sexual conduct (by being married to someone of the same gender).

Its the law, if he does not like it maybe he should move.

Which law would that be? Quote it.

Of course there is no law that anyone has to sign this optional certificate.

Certificate of Appreciation act of 1993

“Regardless of race, sex, religion or sexual orientation”

 

[BS Filter]

So you somehow think citizens lose their constitutional rights when they work for the state? Unbelievable stupidity.

Your position as an officer takes priority over your individual religious beliefs.

Says you. Obviously, you're wrong because he was allowed to freely exercise his beliefs.

your bigotry doesn't get enacted into law, nutcase.

Oh yeah, the entire Air Force is bigoted, huh. You Christophobic bigot.

Not the entire Air Force, but there are strong Christian influences that shouldn’t be there

There were strong Christian influences in the army of General George Washington. There always have been strong Christian influences in our military. I guess you're just going to have to accept it.

 

[jillian]

Your position as an officer takes priority over your individual religious beliefs.

Says you. Obviously, you're wrong because he was allowed to freely exercise his beliefs.

your bigotry doesn't get enacted into law, nutcase.

Oh yeah, the entire Air Force is bigoted, huh. You Christophobic bigot.

Not the entire Air Force, but there are strong Christian influences that shouldn’t be there

There were strong Christian influences in the army of General George Washington. There always have been strong Christian influences in our military. I guess you're just going to have to accept it.

that was before the constitution, imbecile.

and there were also slaves then.

and religious zealots didn't get to abrogate the law

silly trump troll