The 2nd Amendment doesn't prohibit regulation...

[martybegan]

Shall not be infringed.....

a well-regulated militia, dum dum

The States get the right to a Militia, the People get the RKBA.

Commas mean things.

that isn't how it was written and isn't how it was intented. and every judge until scalia knew that.

but we can pretend.

It was the intent, you just won't admit it.

Prior to the Civil War the US Army was tiny, and the nation relied on the State Militias, which were guaranteed to the States as part of the Constitution.

Some Militias had armories with stored arms, others relied on the People to bring their own weapons.

It doesn't change the fact that the PEOPLE keep the RKBA, not the State. If it was intended solely for the States to have militias and set them up as they saw fit, the framers wouldn't have left THE PEOPLE the right they gave them.

 

[emilynghiem]

In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.

The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Please point out the parts of the 2nd Amendment that mention anything resembling regulation. It does not say anything about the rights of the Militia its states undeniably that the rights of the people shall not be infringed.

If people like yourself want to change the 2nd then call for a Convention it would be great to see it never make it out of the Senate because you gun grabbers will never get 2/3 of them voting to take away people's rights

Dear ThunderKiss1965
Better to have a Constitutional Convention where we call for a truce and agreement
1. that both sides have equal right to their own beliefs
and neither should abuse govt to impose one belief over another
laws should be written neutrally and/or by agreement where nobody's beliefs
are violated but each person or party has equal right to their own

2. agreeing to interpret right of the people as the right
of law abiding citizens. If you are going to have regulations
on guns, then do this by district or by city where all residents
agree to the policy such as by requiring the same Constitutional
oath and training for all citizens of that region as required for training
police and military, including screening for mental illness, criminal
abuse addiction or disorder, or other disability and a signed written
agreement of each citizen to take full legal and financial responsibility
for all violations, any crimes and abuses and complaints that each
citizen agrees to resolve cooperatively in compliance with laws and authority.
Including paying all costs to taxpayers of any prosecution or incarceration
if convicted of premediated crimes especially abusing weapons to violate laws or rights of others. Anyone unfit to take financial responsibility as a citizen shouild be required
to have a legal guardian cosign and pay their costs, or else declare legal incompetence and seek counseling to address disorders or disabilities preventing compliance and viability.

If regions agree on a policy, then if they reduce their crime rate they should get
a tax break and invest their resources into local jobs education schools (including medical education and internships to provide health care, elderly and day care services per district) and businesses, instead of paying for crime prisons etc that waste taxpayer money.

Let people choose democratically the solutions they want to support.
Not all school or electoral districts will operate the same way.

Let the residents work out agreed policies, they pay for themselves,
and reward citizens for investing in local solutions and develop their own programs
instead of relying on govt and wasting billions on problems not being solved or cured.

3. with requirements for citizenship, also include deportation for people who refuse to get help and comply with authorities but continue to commit crimes that cost other people. There are many immigrants on the waiting list applying to live and work in the US as productive law abiding citizens. So put int o the citizenship agreement the policy of trading citizenship and allowing others to take your place if you don't want to work for an honest living and respect the laws and cooperate with authority to prevent crimes.

Let's have a Constitutional convention on those points.

Agree to stop pushing political beliefs through govt at the expense
of equal constitutional rights and beliefs of others.

Agree to hold all citizens responsible for compliance with laws and authorities
or else agree to counseling therapy rehab and treatment in case of a disability or disorder preventing legal competence and compliance, agree to deportation and trading citizenship with an immigrant on the waiting list in case of repeat violations and refusal to comply with laws and authority to correct prevent or pay for crimes/violations/abuses, or require a legal guardian to sign for legal and financial responsibility under these same terms, where if the incompetent party commits crimes and refuses to cooperate, the legal guardian is required to report and comply with and pay for corrections, or they both face deportation and an immigrant family can register to take their place for the length of the penalty or for life in case of a capital offense.

If citizens do not agree on a districtwide policy then set up alternatives to separate policies by neighborhood or school district, where the commitment to respect diverse religious or political beliefs is protected for all people without discrimination by creed.

Either agree on a policy, or agree to separate funding and jurisdiction
by party or by civil or church group or council district. But stop imposing on each other and/or abusing govt party or media to do so which is conspiring to violate equal civil rights

 

[NYcarbineer]

Shall not be infringed.....

freedom of the press shall not be abridged...is it therefore unconstitutional to make laws against, or laws regulating, the publishing of obscene material?

And which state does that?

Every state that has laws against child pornography for starters.

Those extend from laws against raping and abusing children, which are crimes, and any recording or photograph of such is a product of that crime.

So is shooting someone.

Face it. If you argue guns can't be regulated because the 2nd amendment doesn't explicitly provide for that government prerogative,

then you have to apply that to the first amendment's freedom of speech and freedom of the press rights.

By not doing so, at that point your argument falls apart.

 

[wihosa]

In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.

The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

The problem is gun grabbers hide banning inside of regulation, and make laws that are not designed to make sure a law abiding citizen is getting the firearm, but to make the process so time consuming and expensive that people either don't try or just give up. In NYC it takes 3-6 months and $600 or so in fees just to get a revolver to keep in your own home or apartment. That is not regulation, that is infringement.

And as usually is done, you misread the 2nd amendment. The 1st part guarantees the States the rights to keep their own armed forces. It's the 2nd part, that has ZERO to do wit the States that gives the PEOPLE the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

If mandating a regulated state militia is unconnected to the right to keep and bear arms why are they in the same Amendment? Or why not at least a separate sentence?

Because they are connected, as Scalia pointed out all adult citizens are members of the citizens militia, mandated by the 2nd Amendment as "well regulated ". Remember, Scalia expressly stated the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

 

[Doc1]

Shall not be infringed.....

a well-regulated militia, dum dum

The States get the right to a Militia, the People get the RKBA.

Commas mean things.

that isn't how it was written and isn't how it was intented. and every judge until scalia knew that.

but we can pretend.

either way, even wacky Heller says only total bans are outlawed.

funny how wackos think guns are more important than free speech and freedom of religion

NOPE.

"The adversaries of the Constitution seem to have lost sight of the people altogether in their reasonings on this subject; and to have viewed these different establishments, not only as mutual rivals and enemies, but as uncontrolled by any common superior in their efforts to usurp the authorities of each other. These gentlemen must here be reminded of their error.They must be told that the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone, and that it will not depend merely on the comparative ambition or address of the different governments, whether either, or which of them, will be able to enlarge its sphere of jurisdiction at the expense of the other.

Keep and Bear Arms - Gun Owners Home Page - 2nd Amendment Supporters

Federalist 46. For those of you who want to make the point that the 2nd amendment was not at all about protecting ones self from a corrupt Gov should read it.

 

[wihosa]

In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.

The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Please point out the parts of the 2nd Amendment that mention anything resembling regulation. It does not say anything about the rights of the Militia its states undeniably that the rights of the people shall not be infringed.

If people like yourself want to change the 2nd then call for a Convention it would be great to see it never make it out of the Senate because you gun grabbers will never get 2/3 of them voting to take away people's rights

No need for amendment, just the understanding that all adult citizens are members of the citizens militia as Scalia said and subject to the regulations mandated by the 2nd Amendment.

 

[martybegan]

Shall not be infringed.....

freedom of the press shall not be abridged...is it therefore unconstitutional to make laws against, or laws regulating, the publishing of obscene material?

And which state does that?

Every state that has laws against child pornography for starters.

Those extend from laws against raping and abusing children, which are crimes, and any recording or photograph of such is a product of that crime.

So is shooting someone.

Face it. If you argue guns can't be regulated because the 2nd amendment doesn't explicitly provide for that government prerogative,

then you have to apply that to the first amendment's freedom of speech and freedom of the press rights.

By not doing so, at that point your argument falls apart.

And people get prosecuted for shooting people. Hell if you own a snuff video (a real one, not a fake one) you probably will be prosecuted for that as well.

Who is arguing for NO regulation? Banning felons and mentally adjudicated people is a regulation. What we are against are regulations whose sole purpose is to prevent law abiding citizens from getting common firearms just because the government and clods like you don't think anyone should have one except government actors themselves.

Trying the all or nothing argument has been done before, it doesn't work.

You also have to consider prior restraint and actual actions taken.

You can prosecute a person for yelling "fire!" in a theater to cause panic, but you can't gag every single person going into the theater "just in case" they might yell "fire"

 

[martybegan]

In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.

The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

The problem is gun grabbers hide banning inside of regulation, and make laws that are not designed to make sure a law abiding citizen is getting the firearm, but to make the process so time consuming and expensive that people either don't try or just give up. In NYC it takes 3-6 months and $600 or so in fees just to get a revolver to keep in your own home or apartment. That is not regulation, that is infringement.

And as usually is done, you misread the 2nd amendment. The 1st part guarantees the States the rights to keep their own armed forces. It's the 2nd part, that has ZERO to do wit the States that gives the PEOPLE the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

If mandating a regulated state militia is unconnected to the right to keep and bear arms why are they in the same Amendment? Or why not at least a separate sentence?

Because they are connected, as Scalia pointed out all adult citizens are members of the citizens militia, mandated by the 2nd Amendment as "well regulated ". Remember, Scalia expressly stated the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Because back then the militias depended partially on people bringing their own weapons with them.

And again, regulation is saying felons and mentally adjudicated people can't have firearms, it is not "making it so hard for a person to get a gun they give up"

 

[wihosa]

Shall not be infringed.....

a well-regulated militia, dum dum

The States get the right to a Militia, the People get the RKBA.

Commas mean things.

that isn't how it was written and isn't how it was intented. and every judge until scalia knew that.

but we can pretend.

either way, even wacky Heller says only total bans are outlawed.

funny how wackos think guns are more important than free speech and freedom of religion

NOPE.

"The adversaries of the Constitution seem to have lost sight of the people altogether in their reasonings on this subject; and to have viewed these different establishments, not only as mutual rivals and enemies, but as uncontrolled by any common superior in their efforts to usurp the authorities of each other. These gentlemen must here be reminded of their error.They must be told that the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone, and that it will not depend merely on the comparative ambition or address of the different governments, whether either, or which of them, will be able to enlarge its sphere of jurisdiction at the expense of the other.

Keep and Bear Arms - Gun Owners Home Page - 2nd Amendment Supporters

Federalist 46. For those of you who want to make the point that the 2nd amendment was not at all about protecting ones self from a corrupt Gov should read it.

Scalia made the point that all adult citizens have a right to keep and bear arms, because all adult citizens are members of the citizens militia, which is mandated by the Constitution to be "well regulated ".

 

[martybegan]

Shall not be infringed.....

a well-regulated militia, dum dum

The States get the right to a Militia, the People get the RKBA.

Commas mean things.

that isn't how it was written and isn't how it was intented. and every judge until scalia knew that.

but we can pretend.

either way, even wacky Heller says only total bans are outlawed.

funny how wackos think guns are more important than free speech and freedom of religion

NOPE.

"The adversaries of the Constitution seem to have lost sight of the people altogether in their reasonings on this subject; and to have viewed these different establishments, not only as mutual rivals and enemies, but as uncontrolled by any common superior in their efforts to usurp the authorities of each other. These gentlemen must here be reminded of their error.They must be told that the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone, and that it will not depend merely on the comparative ambition or address of the different governments, whether either, or which of them, will be able to enlarge its sphere of jurisdiction at the expense of the other.

Keep and Bear Arms - Gun Owners Home Page - 2nd Amendment Supporters

Federalist 46. For those of you who want to make the point that the 2nd amendment was not at all about protecting ones self from a corrupt Gov should read it.

Scalia made the point that all adult citizens have a right to keep and bear arms, because all adult citizens are members of the citizens militia, which is mandated by the Constitution to be "well regulated ".

"well regulated" does not mean regulations that prevent people from owning firearms "just because" the government doesn't want them to have them.

Those are the "regulations" assholes like you want to implement, so stop being coy about it.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.

The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Please point out the parts of the 2nd Amendment that mention anything resembling regulation. It does not say anything about the rights of the Militia its states undeniably that the rights of the people shall not be infringed.

If people like yourself want to change the 2nd then call for a Convention it would be great to see it never make it out of the Senate because you gun grabbers will never get 2/3 of them voting to take away people's rights

No need for amendment, just the understanding that all adult citizens are members of the citizens militia as Scalia said and subject to the regulations mandated by the 2nd Amendment.

I don't care what Scalia said the Constitution specifically states the right of the people and all the following writings of the framers confirm this.

 

[wihosa]

In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.

The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

The problem is gun grabbers hide banning inside of regulation, and make laws that are not designed to make sure a law abiding citizen is getting the firearm, but to make the process so time consuming and expensive that people either don't try or just give up. In NYC it takes 3-6 months and $600 or so in fees just to get a revolver to keep in your own home or apartment. That is not regulation, that is infringement.

And as usually is done, you misread the 2nd amendment. The 1st part guarantees the States the rights to keep their own armed forces. It's the 2nd part, that has ZERO to do wit the States that gives the PEOPLE the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

If mandating a regulated state militia is unconnected to the right to keep and bear arms why are they in the same Amendment? Or why not at least a separate sentence?

Because they are connected, as Scalia pointed out all adult citizens are members of the citizens militia, mandated by the 2nd Amendment as "well regulated ". Remember, Scalia expressly stated the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Because back then the militias depended partially on people bringing their own weapons with them.

And again, regulation is saying felons and mentally adjudicated people can't have firearms, it is not "making it so hard for a person to get a gun they give up"

What if that person shouldn't have a gun, mentally ill, criminal, spousal abuse?

You sound paranoid, like you don't think you could pass a background check.

 

[Valerie]

those were the days...

when a well regulated militia was necessary to the security of a free state.

but what is necessary to the security of a free state nowadays...........??

 

[IsaacNewton]

In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.

The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

It does not prohibit regulation and as you point out it mandates it. Well regulated.

Any and all regulation on guns is legal by the government. And the hard fact gun lickers are too ignorant to grasp is that the 2nd amendment was for a time long gone. No citizen militia, especially in the US, could ever fight our own army with only rifles. Those days ended 120 years ago. But these derps cling to this 'hero' idea like they'll be modern minutemen and grab their rifle and save the country.

It is so pathetically laughable it is as Lying Trump would say, sad. But cons cling to their myths like grim death.

 

[martybegan]

In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.

The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

The problem is gun grabbers hide banning inside of regulation, and make laws that are not designed to make sure a law abiding citizen is getting the firearm, but to make the process so time consuming and expensive that people either don't try or just give up. In NYC it takes 3-6 months and $600 or so in fees just to get a revolver to keep in your own home or apartment. That is not regulation, that is infringement.

And as usually is done, you misread the 2nd amendment. The 1st part guarantees the States the rights to keep their own armed forces. It's the 2nd part, that has ZERO to do wit the States that gives the PEOPLE the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

If mandating a regulated state militia is unconnected to the right to keep and bear arms why are they in the same Amendment? Or why not at least a separate sentence?

Because they are connected, as Scalia pointed out all adult citizens are members of the citizens militia, mandated by the 2nd Amendment as "well regulated ". Remember, Scalia expressly stated the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Because back then the militias depended partially on people bringing their own weapons with them.

And again, regulation is saying felons and mentally adjudicated people can't have firearms, it is not "making it so hard for a person to get a gun they give up"

What if that person shouldn't have a gun, mentally ill, criminal, spousal abuse?

You sound paranoid, like you don't think you could pass a background check.

felons and mentally adjudicated, along with those awaiting trial for something can be denied their rights.

Even when indicted you have gone in front of a judge, due process has been followed.

And I can pass a background check easily. The worst violations on my record are two speeding tickets in 24 years of driving.

 

[martybegan]

In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.

The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

It does not prohibit regulation and as you point out it mandates it. Well regulated.

Any and all regulation on guns is legal by the government. And the hard fact gun lickers are too ignorant to grasp is that the 2nd amendment was for a time long gone. No citizen militia, especially in the US, could ever fight our own army with only rifles. Those days ended 120 years ago. But these derps cling to this 'hero' idea like they'll be modern minutemen and grab their rifle and save the country.

It is so pathetically laughable it is as Lying Trump would say, sad. But cons cling to their myths like grim death.

The problem is assholes like you will turn regulation into de facto bans, Just like NYC does with handguns.

Stop lying.

 

[wihosa]

In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.

The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Please point out the parts of the 2nd Amendment that mention anything resembling regulation. It does not say anything about the rights of the Militia its states undeniably that the rights of the people shall not be infringed.

If people like yourself want to change the 2nd then call for a Convention it would be great to see it never make it out of the Senate because you gun grabbers will never get 2/3 of them voting to take away people's rights

No need for amendment, just the understanding that all adult citizens are members of the citizens militia as Scalia said and subject to the regulations mandated by the 2nd Amendment.

I don't care what Scalia said the Constitution specifically states the right of the people and all the following writings of the framers confirm this.

Interesting, if Scalias opinion was not the majority then only people officially in active or reserve duty in a state or federal militia would have had a personal right to keep and bear arms so maybe some regulation is not so bad.

 

[Rigby5]

In fact it mandates it.
...
The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

That is totally and completely wrong in terms of the English language, as well as law.

What "well regulated" means is practiced.
The whole point of the 2nd amendment was to ensure the federal government has absolutey ZERO jurisdiction over weapons, because you can't wait until we are attacked to start learning how to use weapons.
You have to be well practiced ahead of time.
This is the same meaning of regulated in a regulator clock that has a well practiced pendulum to ensure it is working well.

There is absolutely way to read the 2nd amendment in any other way then to totally prohibit any federal legislation. While restrictions are quite possible, they would have to be entirely state or local. Any federal weapons law at all is just completely criminal.

 

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In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.

The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

It does not prohibit regulation and as you point out it mandates it. Well regulated.

Any and all regulation on guns is legal by the government. And the hard fact gun lickers are too ignorant to grasp is that the 2nd amendment was for a time long gone. No citizen militia, especially in the US, could ever fight our own army with only rifles. Those days ended 120 years ago. But these derps cling to this 'hero' idea like they'll be modern minutemen and grab their rifle and save the country.

It is so pathetically laughable it is as Lying Trump would say, sad. But cons cling to their myths like grim death.

Blah, blah, blah. No, it isn't "all" legal. Well, unless of course you do away with the Constitution, did you wanna try that?

 

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In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.

The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

It does not prohibit regulation and as you point out it mandates it. Well regulated.

Any and all regulation on guns is legal by the government. And the hard fact gun lickers are too ignorant to grasp is that the 2nd amendment was for a time long gone. No citizen militia, especially in the US, could ever fight our own army with only rifles. Those days ended 120 years ago. But these derps cling to this 'hero' idea like they'll be modern minutemen and grab their rifle and save the country.

It is so pathetically laughable it is as Lying Trump would say, sad. But cons cling to their myths like grim death.

The problem is assholes like you will turn regulation into de facto bans, Just like NYC does with handguns.

Stop lying.