The 2nd Amendment doesn't prohibit regulation...

[jc456]

I have the right to protect myself. You have the right to be a victim if you so choose.

Do you think a criminal gives a shit about the law?

So we should repeal laws against murder?

That was literally a stupid comment. As has already been pointed out to you, a law doesn't prevent a crime. If it did we wouldn't need police.

So answer the question; should we repeal laws against murder?, after all murders still happen.

why would we? California has by the way.

 

[Ricky LIbtardo]

I have the right to protect myself. You have the right to be a victim if you so choose.

Do you think a criminal gives a shit about the law?

So we should repeal laws against murder?

That was literally a stupid comment. As has already been pointed out to you, a law doesn't prevent a crime. If it did we wouldn't need police.

So answer the question; should we repeal laws against murder?, after all murders still happen.

No, petunia, we need the law to deter. And the punishment deter. Do you support the murder of unborn children?

 

[martybegan]

In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.

The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

The problem is gun grabbers hide banning inside of regulation, and make laws that are not designed to make sure a law abiding citizen is getting the firearm, but to make the process so time consuming and expensive that people either don't try or just give up. In NYC it takes 3-6 months and $600 or so in fees just to get a revolver to keep in your own home or apartment. That is not regulation, that is infringement.

And as usually is done, you misread the 2nd amendment. The 1st part guarantees the States the rights to keep their own armed forces. It's the 2nd part, that has ZERO to do wit the States that gives the PEOPLE the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.

The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Please point out the parts of the 2nd Amendment that mention anything resembling regulation. It does not say anything about the rights of the Militia its states undeniably that the rights of the people shall not be infringed.

If people like yourself want to change the 2nd then call for a Convention it would be great to see it never make it out of the Senate because you gun grabbers will never get 2/3 of them voting to take away people's rights

 

[emilynghiem]

In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.

The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Dear wihosa the First Amendment bars Congress from establishing or prohibiting religion, which presumably applies to political beliefs and religions as well.

So people's beliefs about the Second Amendment cannot be established or prohibited by Congress; while the Fourteenth Amendment expanded the rights of citizens where States had to respect equal protections; and the Civil Rights act and policies expanded this to all public institutions and public accommodations.

The problem is people are not enforcing this equally including parties and media.

People are taking their beliefs and discrimination against the political beliefs of other people and parties, and abusing party media and govt to punish and prohibit each other.

So there is a war going on in the media in politics and govt
to dominate between one side's political beliefs and the others.

All this should be UNCONSTITUTIONAL and a political conflict
of interest to put one's political party beliefs or religion before
Constitutional duty and govt to protect all people equally
REGARDLESS of belief or creed.

and this includes what we believe about the Second Amendment.
About abortion rights equally as gun rights.
About right to life equally as right to health care.
About prayer and marriage and anything else that involves our
beliefs, whether spiritual or secular, religious or political.

Our beliefs should neither be established nor prohibited by govt,
which should never be abused to push such agenda or punish
others by taking away their right to choose.

The laws already state religious freedom, but the problem
is education and enforcement. We are letting bullies determine
interpretation and application, so unconstitutional abuses and violations
are running rampant and unchecked.

 

[TNHarley]

Back in those days, "well regulated" was a common phrase. At that time, it meant the property of someone being in working order.
Such as a militia being ready with plenty of guns and ammo.
If you paid attention to intent, which is important, you would know your argument doesnt relate to it anyways...
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

Again, regulation is not synonymous with infringement

Did you even read my post? Holy crapola

Holy crapola is right!
There is no other meaning in the etymology of 'regulation ', the root comes from Latin and means rule.

Yea "a well regulated militia is necessary for the security of a free state" those bastards were so confused!
"well regulated" was a common phrase. Try READING what i write. Or at least dont ignore what you dont like, one or the other. I have no interest discussing things with you if you want to act like a hack.

 

[wihosa]

So you support deterrents? So do I, regulation as mandated by the 2nd Amendment will inhance deterrence of gun violence.

 

[wihosa]

In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.

The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Dear wihosa the First Amendment bars Congress from establishing or prohibiting religion, which presumably applies to political beliefs and religions as well.

So people's beliefs about the Second Amendment cannot be established or prohibited by Congress; while the Fourteenth Amendment expanded the rights of citizens where States had to respect equal protections; and the Civil Rights act and policies expanded this to all public institutions and public accommodations.

The problem is people are not enforcing this equally including parties and media.

People are taking their beliefs and discrimination against the political beliefs of other people and parties, and abusing party media and govt to punish and prohibit each other.

So there is a war going on in the media in politics and govt
to dominate between one side's political beliefs and the others.

All this should be UNCONSTITUTIONAL and a political conflict
of interest to put one's political party beliefs or religion before
Constitutional duty and govt to protect all people equally
REGARDLESS of belief or creed.

and this includes what we believe about the Second Amendment.
About abortion rights equally as gun rights.
About right to life equally as right to health care.
About prayer and marriage and anything else that involves our
beliefs, whether spiritual or secular, religious or political.

Our beliefs should neither be established nor prohibited by govt,
which should never be abused to push such agenda or punish
others by taking away their right to choose.

The laws already state religious freedom, but the problem
is education and enforcement. We are letting bullies determine
interpretation and application, so unconstitutional abuses and violations
are running rampant and unchecked.

Thoughtful but your point is escaping me. How does it affect my point on 2nd Amendment

 

[martybegan]

Shall not be infringed.....

freedom of the press shall not be abridged...is it therefore unconstitutional to make laws against, or laws regulating, the publishing of obscene material?

Which states still ban smut?

 

[NYcarbineer]

In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.

The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Please point out the parts of the 2nd Amendment that mention anything resembling regulation. It does not say anything about the rights of the Militia its states undeniably that the rights of the people shall not be infringed.

If people like yourself want to change the 2nd then call for a Convention it would be great to see it never make it out of the Senate because you gun grabbers will never get 2/3 of them voting to take away people's rights

Show us where regulation of the press is mentioned in the Constitution. Or regulation of speech.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Shall not be infringed.....

freedom of the press shall not be abridged...is it therefore unconstitutional to make laws against, or laws regulating, the publishing of obscene material?

And which state does that?

 

[jillian]

Shall not be infringed.....

a well-regulated militia, dum dum

 

[NYcarbineer]

Shall not be infringed.....

freedom of the press shall not be abridged...is it therefore unconstitutional to make laws against, or laws regulating, the publishing of obscene material?

Which states still ban smut?

You're arguing that there are no laws against the publication of child pornography, for example?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Shall not be infringed.....

freedom of the press shall not be abridged...is it therefore unconstitutional to make laws against, or laws regulating, the publishing of obscene material?

And which state does that?

Every state that has laws against child pornography for starters.

 

[martybegan]

Shall not be infringed.....

freedom of the press shall not be abridged...is it therefore unconstitutional to make laws against, or laws regulating, the publishing of obscene material?

Which states still ban smut?

You're arguing that there are no laws against the publication of child pornography, for example?

See the way they go with that is the picture is of a criminal act itself, and thus is a product of a crime, and possession of a product of a crime can be a crime.

Now if it was cartoon child porn, that would be protected, because there was no linked overt crime to the product.

 

[martybegan]

Shall not be infringed.....

a well-regulated militia, dum dum

The States get the right to a Militia, the People get the RKBA.

Commas mean things.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.

The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Please point out the parts of the 2nd Amendment that mention anything resembling regulation. It does not say anything about the rights of the Militia its states undeniably that the rights of the people shall not be infringed.

If people like yourself want to change the 2nd then call for a Convention it would be great to see it never make it out of the Senate because you gun grabbers will never get 2/3 of them voting to take away people's rights

Show us where regulation of the press is mentioned in the Constitution. Or regulation of speech.

They are not so any regulation of them is unlawful.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Shall not be infringed.....

freedom of the press shall not be abridged...is it therefore unconstitutional to make laws against, or laws regulating, the publishing of obscene material?

Which states still ban smut?

You're arguing that there are no laws against the publication of child pornography, for example?

Are you arguing it should be legal? Careful

 

[martybegan]

Shall not be infringed.....

freedom of the press shall not be abridged...is it therefore unconstitutional to make laws against, or laws regulating, the publishing of obscene material?

And which state does that?

Every state that has laws against child pornography for starters.

Those extend from laws against raping and abusing children, which are crimes, and any recording or photograph of such is a product of that crime.

 

[jillian]

Shall not be infringed.....

a well-regulated militia, dum dum

The States get the right to a Militia, the People get the RKBA.

Commas mean things.

that isn't how it was written and isn't how it was intented. and every judge until scalia knew that.

but we can pretend.

either way, even wacky Heller says only total bans are outlawed.

funny how wackos think guns are more important than free speech and freedom of religion