That didn't take long. HR 127

[Harry Dresden]

Remember what happened the last time the Dems got into power and took your guns?

Was I alive then?

are you alive now?....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Well hell, how long have we been registering cars for the public roads? There's always some gun fetishist posting in his underwear on this site screaming about how many traffic fatalities versus gun murders ---- even though no car is intentionally designed for it and those are all accidents....

Have it both ways much?

Well what about alcohol. We don't need it like we do cars, and yet it is killing all kinds of people, including kids. So why aren't we doing something about that?

because to many people in congress drink...

 

[BlindBoo]

I predict it's

 

[westwall]

Remember what happened the last time the Dems got into power and took your guns?

Was I alive then?

are you alive now?....

Nope, moonie is a chinese robot.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

H.R.127 - Sabika Sheikh Firearm Licensing and Registration Act117th Congress (2021-2022)


A BILL
To provide for the licensing of firearm and ammunition possession and the registration of firearms, and to prohibit the possession of certain ammunition.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the “Sabika Sheikh Firearm Licensing and Registration Act”.
SEC. 2. LICENSING OF FIREARM AND AMMUNITION POSSESSION; REGISTRATION OF FIREARMS.

(a) Firearm Licensing And Registration System.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
Ҥ 932. Licensing of firearm and ammunition possession; registration of firearms
“(a) In General.—The Attorney General, through the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, shall establish a system for licensing the possession of firearms or ammunition in the United States, and for the registration with the Bureau of each firearm present in the United States.
“(b) Firearm Registration System.—
“(1) REQUIRED INFORMATION.—Under the firearm registration system, the owner of a firearm shall transmit to the Bureau—
“(A) the make, model, and serial number of the firearm, the identity of the owner of the firearm, the date the firearm was acquired by the owner, and where the firearm is or will be stored; and
“(B) a notice specifying the identity of any person to whom, and any period of time during which, the firearm will be loaned to the person.
“(2) DEADLINE FOR SUPPLYING INFORMATION.—The transmission required by paragraph (1) shall be made—
“(A) in the case of a firearm acquired before the effective date of this section, within 3 months after the effective date of this section; or
“(B) in the case of a firearm acquired on or after the effective date, on the date the owner acquires the firearm.
“(3) DATABASE.—
“(A) IN GENERAL.—The Attorney General shall establish and maintain a database of all firearms registered pursuant to this subsection.
“(B) ACCESS.—The Attorney General shall make the contents of the database accessible to all members of the public, all Federal, State, and local law enforcement authorities, all branches of the United States Armed Forces, and all State and local governments, as defined by the Bureau.
“(c) Licensing System.—
“(1) REQUIREMENTS.—
“(A) GENERAL LICENSE.—Except as otherwise provided in this subsection, the Attorney General shall issue to an individual a license to possess a firearm and ammunition if the individual—
“(i) has attained 21 years of age;
“(ii) after applying for the license—
“(I) undergoes a criminal background check conducted by the national instant criminal background check system established under section 103 of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, and the check does not indicate that possession of a firearm by the individual would violate subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 or State law;
“(II) undergoes a psychological evaluation conducted in accordance with paragraph (2), and the evaluation does not indicate that the individual is psychologically unsuited to possess a firearm; and
“(III) successfully completes a training course, certified by the Attorney General, in the use, safety, and storage of firearms, that includes at least 24 hours of training; and
“(iii) demonstrates that, on issuance of the license, the individual will have in effect an insurance policy issued under subsection (d).
“(B) ANTIQUE FIREARM DISPLAY LICENSE.—The Attorney General shall issue to an individual a license to display an antique firearm in a residence of the individual if the individual—
“(i) is the holder of a license issued under subparagraph (A);
“(ii) supplies proof that the individual owns an antique firearm;
“(iii) describes the manner in which the firearm will be displayed in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Attorney General, and certifies that the firearm will be so displayed; and
“(iv) demonstrates that the individual has provided for storage of the firearm in a safe or facility approved by the Attorney General for the storage of firearms.
“(C) MILITARY-STYLE WEAPONS LICENSE.—The Attorney General shall issue to an individual a license to own and possess a military-style weapon if the individual—
“(i) is the holder of a license issued under subparagraph (A); and
“(ii) after applying for a license under this subparagraph, successfully completes a training course, certified by the Attorney General, in the use, safety, and storage of the weapon, that includes at least 24 hours of training and live fire training.
“(2) PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION.—A psychological evaluation is conducted in accordance with this paragraph if—
“(A) the evaluation is conducted in compliance with such standards as shall be established by the Attorney General;
“(B) the evaluation is conducted by a licensed psychologist approved by the Attorney General;
“(C) as deemed necessary by the licensed psychologist involved, the evaluation included a psychological evaluation of other members of the household in which the individual resides; and
“(D) as part of the psychological evaluation, the licensed psychologist interviewed any spouse of the individual, any former spouse of the individual, and at least 2 other persons who are a member of the family of, or an associate of, the individual to further determine the state of the mental, emotional, and relational stability of the individual in relation to firearms.
“(3) DENIAL OF LICENSE.—
“(A) REQUIRED.—The Attorney General shall deny such a license to an individual if—
“(i) the individual is prohibited by Federal law from possessing a firearm; or
“(ii) the individual has been hospitalized—
“(I) with a mental illness, disturbance, or diagnosis (including depression, homicidal ideation, suicidal ideation, attempted suicide, or addiction to a controlled substance (within the meaning of the Controlled Substances Act) or alcohol), or a brain disease (including dementia or Alzheimer’s); or
“(II) on account of conduct that endangers self or others.
“(B) AUTHORIZED.—The Attorney General may deny such a license to an individual if—
“(i) the psychological evaluation referred to in paragraph (2) indicates that the individual—
“(I) has a chronic mental illness or disturbance, or a brain disease, referred to in subparagraph (A)(ii)(I);
“(II) is addicted to a controlled substance (within the meaning of the Controlled Substances Act) or alcohol; or
“(III) has attempted to commit suicide; or
“(ii) prior psychological treatment or evaluation of the individual indicated that the individual engaged in conduct that posed a danger to self or others.
“(4) SUSPENSION OF LICENSE.—
“(A) IN GENERAL.—A license issued under this subsection to an individual who is under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year is hereby suspended.
“(B) AUTHORIZED FOR LACK OF FIREARM INSURANCE.—The Attorney General may suspend a license issued under this subsection to an individual who has violated section 922(dd) in the most recent 12-month period.
“(5) REVOCATION OF LICENSE.—A license issued under this subsection to an individual who is or becomes prohibited by Federal or State law from possessing a firearm is hereby revoked. Such an individual shall immediately return the license, and surrender all firearms and ammunition owned or possessed by the individual, to the Attorney General.
“(6) EXPIRATION OF LICENSE.—A license issued to an individual under this subsection shall expire—
“(A) in the case of a license that has been in effect for less than 5 years, 1 year after issuance or renewal, as the case may be; or
“(B) in the case of a license that has been in effect for at least 5 years, 3 years after the most recent date the license is renewed.
“(7) RENEWAL OF LICENSE.—The Attorney General shall renew a license issued to an individual under this subsection if the individual—
“(A) requests the renewal by the end of the 60-day period that begins with the date the license expires;
“(B) in the 3-year period ending with the date the renewal is requested—
“(i) has met the requirement of paragraph (1)(A)(ii)(II); and
“(ii) has successfully completed a training course, certified by the Attorney General, in the use, safety, and storage of firearms, that includes at least 8 hours of training;
“(C) meets the requirement of paragraph (1)(A)(iii); and
“(D) in the case of a license issued under paragraph (1)(C), in the 2-year period ending with the date the renewal is requested, has successfully completed a training course, certified by the Attorney General, that includes at least 8 hours of training in the use of the weapon subject to the license.
“(d) Firearm Insurance.—
“(1) IN GENERAL.—The Attorney General shall issue to any person who has applied for a license pursuant to subsection (c) and has paid to the Attorney General the fee specified in paragraph (2) of this subsection a policy that insures the person against liability for losses and damages resulting from the use of any firearm by the person during the 1-year period that begins with the date the policy is issued.
“(2) FEE.—The fee specified in this paragraph is $800.”.
(2) MILITARY-STYLE WEAPON DEFINED.—Section 921(a) of such title is amended by inserting after paragraph (29) the following:
“(30) The term ‘military-style weapon’ means—
“(A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms in any caliber, known as—
“(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);
“(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
“(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC–70);
“(iv) Colt AR–15;
“(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
“(vi) SWD M–10, M–11, M–11/9, and M–12;
“(vii) Steyr AUG;
“(viii) INTRATEC TEC–9, TEC–DC9 and TEC–22; and
“(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;
“(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of—
“(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
“(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
“(iii) a bayonet mount;
“(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
“(v) a grenade launcher;
“(C) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of—
“(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
“(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
“(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;
“(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and
“(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and
“(D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of—
“(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
“(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
“(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and
“(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.”.
(3) CLERICAL AMENDMENT.—The table of sections for such chapter is amended by adding at the end the following:

“932. Licensing of firearm and ammunition possession; registration of firearms.”.
(4) DEADLINE FOR ESTABLISHMENT.—Within 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Attorney General shall prescribe final regulations to implement the amendments made by this subsection.
(b) Prohibitions; Penalties.—
(1) PROHIBITIONS.—Section 922 of such title is amended by adding at the end the following:
“(aa) It shall be unlawful for a person to possess a firearm or ammunition, unless—
“(1) the person is carrying a valid license issued under section 932(c)(1); and
“(2) (A) in the case of a firearm owned by the person, the firearm is registered to the person under section 932(b); or
“(B) in the case of a firearm owned by another person—
“(i) the firearm is so registered to such other person; and
“(ii) such other person has notified the Attorney General that the firearm has been loaned to the person, and the possession is during the loan period specified in the notice.
“(bb) (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to transfer a firearm or ammunition to a person who is not licensed under section 932(c)(1).
“(2) It shall be unlawful for a person to sell or give a firearm or ammunition to another person unless the person has notified the Attorney General of the sale or gift.
“(3) It shall be unlawful for a person to loan a firearm or ammunition to another person unless the person has notified the Attorney General of the loan, including the identity of such other person and the period for which the loan is made.
“(4) It shall be unlawful for a person holding a valid license issued under section 932(c)(1) to transfer a firearm to an individual who has not attained 18 years of age.
“(cc) A person who possesses a firearm or to whom a license is issued under section 932(c)(1) shall have in effect an insurance policy issued under section 932(d).”.
(2) PENALTIES.—Section 924(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following:
“(8) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(aa) shall be fined not less than $75,000 and not more than $150,000, imprisoned not less than 15 years and not more than 25 years, or both.
“(9) (A) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(bb)(1) shall be fined not less than $50,000 and not more than $75,000, imprisoned not less than 10 years and not more than 15 years, or both.
“(B) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(bb)(2) shall be fined not less than $30,000 and not more than $50,000, imprisoned not less than 5 years and not more than 10 years, or both.
“(C) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(bb)(3) shall be fined not less than $5,000 and not more than $10,000.
“(D) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(bb)(4) shall be fined not less than $75,000 and not more than $100,000, imprisoned not less than 15 years and not more than 25 years, or both, except that if the transferee of the firearm possess or uses the firearm during or in relation to a crime, an unintentional shooting, or suicide, the transferor shall be fined not less than $100,000 and not more than $150,000, imprisoned not less than 25 years and not more than 40 years, or both.
“(10) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(cc) shall be fined not less than $50,000 and not more than $100,000, imprisoned not less than 10 years and not more than 20 years, or both.”.
(3) CONFORMING AMENDMENTS.—
(A) ELIMINATION OF PROHIBITION ON ESTABLISHMENT OF CENTRALIZED FIREARM REGISTRATION SYSTEM.—Section 926(a) of such title is amended by striking the 2nd sentence.
(B) APPLICABILITY TO GOVERNMENTAL AND MILITARY FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION.—Section 925(a) of such title is amended in each of paragraphs (1) and (2), by inserting “and except for section 932,” after the 2nd comma.
(4) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amendments made by this subsection shall take effect on the date final regulations are prescribed under subsection (a)(4).
SEC. 3. PROHIBITION ON POSSESSION OF CERTAIN AMMUNITION.

(a) In General.—Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section 2 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:
“(dd) (1) It shall be unlawful for any person to possess ammunition that is 0.50 caliber or greater.
“(2) (A) It shall be unlawful for any person to possess a large capacity ammunition feeding device.
“(B) Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to—
“(i) the manufacture for, or possession by, the United States or a department or agency of the United States or a State or a department, agency, or political subdivision of a State, or the possession by a law enforcement officer employed by such an entity for purposes of law enforcement (whether on or off duty);
“(ii) the possession by an employee or contractor of a licensee under title I of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 on-site for purposes of establishing and maintaining an on-site physical protection system and security organization required by Federal law, or off-site for purposes of licensee-authorized training or transportation of nuclear materials;
“(iii) the manufacture or possession by a licensed manufacturer or licensed importer for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General; or
“(iv) the manufacture for, or possession by, an organization that provides firearm training and that is registered with the Attorney General, or the possession by an individual to whom such an organization is providing firearm training during and at the location of the training.”.
(b) Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Defined.—Section 921(a) of such title, as amended by section 1 of this Act, is amended by inserting after paragraph (30) the following:
“(31) The term ‘large capacity ammunition feeding device’ means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition, but does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.”.
(c) Penalties.—Section 924(a) of such title, as amended by section 2 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:
“(11) (A) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(dd)(1) shall be fined not less than $50,000 and not more than $100,000, imprisoned not less than 10 years and not more than 20 years, or both.
“(B) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(dd)(2) shall be fined not less than $10,000 and not more than $25,000, imprisoned not less than 1 year and not more than 5 years, or both.”.

Text - H.R.127 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Sabika Sheikh Firearm Licensing and Registration Act

Text for H.R.127 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Sabika Sheikh Firearm Licensing and Registration Act

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The thread premise is a lie.

It's nothing but rightwing demagoguery.

Such legislation is introduced every session, it has no chance of passing, has no cosponsors, and won't even be assigned to a committee.

That's not the issue. The issue is why do you libs keep bringing up unconstitutional bills?

 

[WTH_Progs?]

PROGS claim ah shucks, we don't want to offend the second amendment or intention, we just want comprehensive & reasonable gun control, cuz we so smart.

Once red California, since turned blue with the internet and Chinese goals is one demonstration how fucked up PROG-speak is, somehow to them actions have no meaning.

I live on the border of communist California, and here's one example of their game. My pistol and I perfectly registered, but if I enter California I'm limited to a 10 round magazine, because 11 makes so much a difference & after all, legal gun owners are the dangerous ones. More than that I have to lock the pistol in one place and lock the ammo in another. Fuck I'm sure that works awesome when you need to defend yourself. Nothing like bringing two keys and cases to a gun fight.

 

[BlindBoo]

Well hell, how long have we been registering cars for the public roads? There's always some gun fetishist posting in his underwear on this site screaming about how many traffic fatalities versus gun murders ---- even though no car is intentionally designed for it and those are all accidents....

Have it both ways much?

AMENDMENT 11 of the Bill of Rights:
A well regulated car, being necessary to the security of a productive State, the right of the people to keep and bear vehicles, shall not be infringed.
Great comparison! Registering cars is unconstitutional! Its in the bill of rights too!

That's pretty funny Harley.

I like how it brings to the forefront the term "well-regulated". I hadn't even thought of that but there it is.

well regulated in that time meant that all weapons were working properly and you had everything you needed for them to work. Such as ammunition.
I know in your statist mind you want it to mean something else, though...

Exactly...like regulating a clock...not writing a regulation.

to bring order, method, or uniformity to

And that is the only interpretation that makes any sense.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The correct interpretation...


An orderly and uniform militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Compared to...

A Militia governed by governmental regulations, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

That's is jarringly incongruous and illogical.

The word I like to use to explain the context of "well regulated" is "regimented."

Sure..that works.

Since the militia comprised every man of legal age to serve... I think the word "regulated" meaning uniform was particularly chosen.

That the militiamen when called were expected to arrive uniformly outfitted...not Jedediah with a pole axe, Josephus with a pitchfork and only old Mordecai sporting a Brown Bess.

Regulated simply meant well versed and trained in the art of war.

 

[Briss]

PROGS claim ah shucks, we don't want to offend the second amendment or intention, we just want comprehensive & reasonable gun control, cuz we so smart.

Once red California, since turned blue with the internet and Chinese goals is one demonstration how fucked up PROG-speak is, somehow to them actions have no meaning.

I live on the border of communist California, and here's one example of their game. My pistol and I perfectly registered, but if I enter California I'm limited to a 10 round magazine, because 11 makes so much a difference & after all, legal gun owners are the dangerous ones. More than that I have to lock the pistol in one place and lock the ammo in another. Fuck I'm sure that works awesome when you need to defend yourself. Nothing like bringing two keys and cases to a gun fight.

Like letting you have something for home defense, but forcing you to have to turn on the light, make your way to the bullets, unlock a lock, stick the bullets in the gun, and then deal with the home invader. Fortunately, home invaders are notorious for respecting the homeowner's need to prepare for the intrusion once the intrusion is detected.

 

[Harry Dresden]

PROGS claim ah shucks, we don't want to offend the second amendment or intention, we just want comprehensive & reasonable gun control, cuz we so smart.

Once red California, since turned blue with the internet and Chinese goals is one demonstration how fucked up PROG-speak is, somehow to them actions have no meaning.

I live on the border of communist California, and here's one example of their game. My pistol and I perfectly registered, but if I enter California I'm limited to a 10 round magazine, because 11 makes so much a difference & after all, legal gun owners are the dangerous ones. More than that I have to lock the pistol in one place and lock the ammo in another. Fuck I'm sure that works awesome when you need to defend yourself. Nothing like bringing two keys and cases to a gun fight.

Like letting you have something for home defense, but forcing you to have to turn on the light, make your way to the bullets, unlock a lock, stick the bullets in the gun, and then deal with the home invader. Fortunately, home invaders are notorious for respecting the homeowner's need to prepare for the intrusion once the intrusion is detected.

well we know when they break in they yell out you have 1 minute to get ready to defend against us...

 

[WTH_Progs?]

PROGS claim ah shucks, we don't want to offend the second amendment or intention, we just want comprehensive & reasonable gun control, cuz we so smart.

Once red California, since turned blue with the internet and Chinese goals is one demonstration how fucked up PROG-speak is, somehow to them actions have no meaning.

I live on the border of communist California, and here's one example of their game. My pistol and I perfectly registered, but if I enter California I'm limited to a 10 round magazine, because 11 makes so much a difference & after all, legal gun owners are the dangerous ones. More than that I have to lock the pistol in one place and lock the ammo in another. Fuck I'm sure that works awesome when you need to defend yourself. Nothing like bringing two keys and cases to a gun fight.

Like letting you have something for home defense, but forcing you to have to turn on the light, make your way to the bullets, unlock a lock, stick the bullets in the gun, and then deal with the home invader. Fortunately, home invaders are notorious for respecting the homeowner's need to prepare for the intrusion once the intrusion is detected.

Right and a PROG-congress just recently agreed to that point in action. One has introduced a bill you can no longer defend yourself against home invaders, because all they want is your stuff and then gratefully leave.

 

[Briss]

PROGS claim ah shucks, we don't want to offend the second amendment or intention, we just want comprehensive & reasonable gun control, cuz we so smart.

Once red California, since turned blue with the internet and Chinese goals is one demonstration how fucked up PROG-speak is, somehow to them actions have no meaning.

I live on the border of communist California, and here's one example of their game. My pistol and I perfectly registered, but if I enter California I'm limited to a 10 round magazine, because 11 makes so much a difference & after all, legal gun owners are the dangerous ones. More than that I have to lock the pistol in one place and lock the ammo in another. Fuck I'm sure that works awesome when you need to defend yourself. Nothing like bringing two keys and cases to a gun fight.

Like letting you have something for home defense, but forcing you to have to turn on the light, make your way to the bullets, unlock a lock, stick the bullets in the gun, and then deal with the home invader. Fortunately, home invaders are notorious for respecting the homeowner's need to prepare for the intrusion once the intrusion is detected.

well we know when they break in they yell out you have 1 minute to get ready to defend against us...

I've also heard that if you ask them whether or not they intend to hurt your children during their foray, they'll be upfront with you. I mean, sure they're in your house to take stuff, but you can't jump to the conclusion that they want to hurt anybody.

 

[Briss]

PROGS claim ah shucks, we don't want to offend the second amendment or intention, we just want comprehensive & reasonable gun control, cuz we so smart.

Once red California, since turned blue with the internet and Chinese goals is one demonstration how fucked up PROG-speak is, somehow to them actions have no meaning.

I live on the border of communist California, and here's one example of their game. My pistol and I perfectly registered, but if I enter California I'm limited to a 10 round magazine, because 11 makes so much a difference & after all, legal gun owners are the dangerous ones. More than that I have to lock the pistol in one place and lock the ammo in another. Fuck I'm sure that works awesome when you need to defend yourself. Nothing like bringing two keys and cases to a gun fight.

Like letting you have something for home defense, but forcing you to have to turn on the light, make your way to the bullets, unlock a lock, stick the bullets in the gun, and then deal with the home invader. Fortunately, home invaders are notorious for respecting the homeowner's need to prepare for the intrusion once the intrusion is detected.

Right and a PROG-congress just recently agreed to that point in action. One has introduced a bill you can no longer defend yourself against home invaders, because all they want is your stuff and then they politely.

Sounds like burglary is not a bad trade to get into. Job security is certain, and work hazard will be virtually nonexistent because . . . I only want their stuff.

 

[Concerned American]

Well what about alcohol. We don't need it like we do cars, and yet it is killing all kinds of people, including kids. So why aren't we doing something about that?

We did, 18th amendment. Then we took it back 21st amendment.

No, I mean, in light of how many people are killed each year as a result of alcohol use (and it's not even designed to kill), why don't we get rid of the stuff?

That was for anyone who believes that banning all guns is justified.

However, if you believe that a ban on alcohol is going too far, you must still have some idea as to which specific alcoholic beverages need to be banned, which beverages would that be? I'm talking about assault-style beverages; you know the ones . . .

That was for anyone who believes that banning a semiautomatic rifle is justified.

Eighteen percent of all deaths in the US between 1986 and 2006 were obesity related. Maybe we should ban spoons. Obesity-related fatalities in the US are nearly the same as covid-related deaths--maybe we should shut down the country. SMH. I wonder what caliber spoon was used most.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

PROGS claim ah shucks, we don't want to offend the second amendment or intention, we just want comprehensive & reasonable gun control, cuz we so smart.

Once red California, since turned blue with the internet and Chinese goals is one demonstration how fucked up PROG-speak is, somehow to them actions have no meaning.

I live on the border of communist California, and here's one example of their game. My pistol and I perfectly registered, but if I enter California I'm limited to a 10 round magazine, because 11 makes so much a difference & after all, legal gun owners are the dangerous ones. More than that I have to lock the pistol in one place and lock the ammo in another. Fuck I'm sure that works awesome when you need to defend yourself. Nothing like bringing two keys and cases to a gun fight.

Like letting you have something for home defense, but forcing you to have to turn on the light, make your way to the bullets, unlock a lock, stick the bullets in the gun, and then deal with the home invader. Fortunately, home invaders are notorious for respecting the homeowner's need to prepare for the intrusion once the intrusion is detected.

Right and a PROG-congress just recently agreed to that point in action. One has introduced a bill you can no longer defend yourself against home invaders, because all they want is your stuff and then they politely.

Sounds like burglary is not a bad trade to get into. Job security is certain, and work hazard will be virtually nonexistent because . . . I only want their stuff.

Thing is you have to remember who the victims are here. They need your stuff because they are needy, and they're also a casualty of freedom & capitalism.

Sharing is where we need to be, so there really isn't an intrusion. Consider it more a charity & to square things up so we're equal.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

You have to appreciate how PROGS think, they're more in-tune what's going on. For example:

Abortion is okay, it's the woman's body.
Vs
Capital punishment is not okay, it was just a woman's body.

Guns are dangerous and require deep regulations for citizens to legally have & carry, which is assuming you can carry at all. Adults are immature, so there are strict methods and locations for storing guns, especially in consideration for the cheeldren, we must think of the cheeeeldren.
Vs
Drugs are cool, especially edibles. Adults are expected to be responsible adults, especially when they're high. So it's up to the individual to ensure children don't have access to juiced candy & cakes. Be a responsible adult, and do so in a high fashion.

 

[westwall]

H.R.127 - Sabika Sheikh Firearm Licensing and Registration Act117th Congress (2021-2022)


A BILL
To provide for the licensing of firearm and ammunition possession and the registration of firearms, and to prohibit the possession of certain ammunition.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the “Sabika Sheikh Firearm Licensing and Registration Act”.
SEC. 2. LICENSING OF FIREARM AND AMMUNITION POSSESSION; REGISTRATION OF FIREARMS.

(a) Firearm Licensing And Registration System.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
Ҥ 932. Licensing of firearm and ammunition possession; registration of firearms
“(a) In General.—The Attorney General, through the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, shall establish a system for licensing the possession of firearms or ammunition in the United States, and for the registration with the Bureau of each firearm present in the United States.
“(b) Firearm Registration System.—
“(1) REQUIRED INFORMATION.—Under the firearm registration system, the owner of a firearm shall transmit to the Bureau—
“(A) the make, model, and serial number of the firearm, the identity of the owner of the firearm, the date the firearm was acquired by the owner, and where the firearm is or will be stored; and
“(B) a notice specifying the identity of any person to whom, and any period of time during which, the firearm will be loaned to the person.
“(2) DEADLINE FOR SUPPLYING INFORMATION.—The transmission required by paragraph (1) shall be made—
“(A) in the case of a firearm acquired before the effective date of this section, within 3 months after the effective date of this section; or
“(B) in the case of a firearm acquired on or after the effective date, on the date the owner acquires the firearm.
“(3) DATABASE.—
“(A) IN GENERAL.—The Attorney General shall establish and maintain a database of all firearms registered pursuant to this subsection.
“(B) ACCESS.—The Attorney General shall make the contents of the database accessible to all members of the public, all Federal, State, and local law enforcement authorities, all branches of the United States Armed Forces, and all State and local governments, as defined by the Bureau.
“(c) Licensing System.—
“(1) REQUIREMENTS.—
“(A) GENERAL LICENSE.—Except as otherwise provided in this subsection, the Attorney General shall issue to an individual a license to possess a firearm and ammunition if the individual—
“(i) has attained 21 years of age;
“(ii) after applying for the license—
“(I) undergoes a criminal background check conducted by the national instant criminal background check system established under section 103 of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, and the check does not indicate that possession of a firearm by the individual would violate subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 or State law;
“(II) undergoes a psychological evaluation conducted in accordance with paragraph (2), and the evaluation does not indicate that the individual is psychologically unsuited to possess a firearm; and
“(III) successfully completes a training course, certified by the Attorney General, in the use, safety, and storage of firearms, that includes at least 24 hours of training; and
“(iii) demonstrates that, on issuance of the license, the individual will have in effect an insurance policy issued under subsection (d).
“(B) ANTIQUE FIREARM DISPLAY LICENSE.—The Attorney General shall issue to an individual a license to display an antique firearm in a residence of the individual if the individual—
“(i) is the holder of a license issued under subparagraph (A);
“(ii) supplies proof that the individual owns an antique firearm;
“(iii) describes the manner in which the firearm will be displayed in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Attorney General, and certifies that the firearm will be so displayed; and
“(iv) demonstrates that the individual has provided for storage of the firearm in a safe or facility approved by the Attorney General for the storage of firearms.
“(C) MILITARY-STYLE WEAPONS LICENSE.—The Attorney General shall issue to an individual a license to own and possess a military-style weapon if the individual—
“(i) is the holder of a license issued under subparagraph (A); and
“(ii) after applying for a license under this subparagraph, successfully completes a training course, certified by the Attorney General, in the use, safety, and storage of the weapon, that includes at least 24 hours of training and live fire training.
“(2) PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION.—A psychological evaluation is conducted in accordance with this paragraph if—
“(A) the evaluation is conducted in compliance with such standards as shall be established by the Attorney General;
“(B) the evaluation is conducted by a licensed psychologist approved by the Attorney General;
“(C) as deemed necessary by the licensed psychologist involved, the evaluation included a psychological evaluation of other members of the household in which the individual resides; and
“(D) as part of the psychological evaluation, the licensed psychologist interviewed any spouse of the individual, any former spouse of the individual, and at least 2 other persons who are a member of the family of, or an associate of, the individual to further determine the state of the mental, emotional, and relational stability of the individual in relation to firearms.
“(3) DENIAL OF LICENSE.—
“(A) REQUIRED.—The Attorney General shall deny such a license to an individual if—
“(i) the individual is prohibited by Federal law from possessing a firearm; or
“(ii) the individual has been hospitalized—
“(I) with a mental illness, disturbance, or diagnosis (including depression, homicidal ideation, suicidal ideation, attempted suicide, or addiction to a controlled substance (within the meaning of the Controlled Substances Act) or alcohol), or a brain disease (including dementia or Alzheimer’s); or
“(II) on account of conduct that endangers self or others.
“(B) AUTHORIZED.—The Attorney General may deny such a license to an individual if—
“(i) the psychological evaluation referred to in paragraph (2) indicates that the individual—
“(I) has a chronic mental illness or disturbance, or a brain disease, referred to in subparagraph (A)(ii)(I);
“(II) is addicted to a controlled substance (within the meaning of the Controlled Substances Act) or alcohol; or
“(III) has attempted to commit suicide; or
“(ii) prior psychological treatment or evaluation of the individual indicated that the individual engaged in conduct that posed a danger to self or others.
“(4) SUSPENSION OF LICENSE.—
“(A) IN GENERAL.—A license issued under this subsection to an individual who is under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year is hereby suspended.
“(B) AUTHORIZED FOR LACK OF FIREARM INSURANCE.—The Attorney General may suspend a license issued under this subsection to an individual who has violated section 922(dd) in the most recent 12-month period.
“(5) REVOCATION OF LICENSE.—A license issued under this subsection to an individual who is or becomes prohibited by Federal or State law from possessing a firearm is hereby revoked. Such an individual shall immediately return the license, and surrender all firearms and ammunition owned or possessed by the individual, to the Attorney General.
“(6) EXPIRATION OF LICENSE.—A license issued to an individual under this subsection shall expire—
“(A) in the case of a license that has been in effect for less than 5 years, 1 year after issuance or renewal, as the case may be; or
“(B) in the case of a license that has been in effect for at least 5 years, 3 years after the most recent date the license is renewed.
“(7) RENEWAL OF LICENSE.—The Attorney General shall renew a license issued to an individual under this subsection if the individual—
“(A) requests the renewal by the end of the 60-day period that begins with the date the license expires;
“(B) in the 3-year period ending with the date the renewal is requested—
“(i) has met the requirement of paragraph (1)(A)(ii)(II); and
“(ii) has successfully completed a training course, certified by the Attorney General, in the use, safety, and storage of firearms, that includes at least 8 hours of training;
“(C) meets the requirement of paragraph (1)(A)(iii); and
“(D) in the case of a license issued under paragraph (1)(C), in the 2-year period ending with the date the renewal is requested, has successfully completed a training course, certified by the Attorney General, that includes at least 8 hours of training in the use of the weapon subject to the license.
“(d) Firearm Insurance.—
“(1) IN GENERAL.—The Attorney General shall issue to any person who has applied for a license pursuant to subsection (c) and has paid to the Attorney General the fee specified in paragraph (2) of this subsection a policy that insures the person against liability for losses and damages resulting from the use of any firearm by the person during the 1-year period that begins with the date the policy is issued.
“(2) FEE.—The fee specified in this paragraph is $800.”.
(2) MILITARY-STYLE WEAPON DEFINED.—Section 921(a) of such title is amended by inserting after paragraph (29) the following:
“(30) The term ‘military-style weapon’ means—
“(A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms in any caliber, known as—
“(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);
“(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
“(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC–70);
“(iv) Colt AR–15;
“(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
“(vi) SWD M–10, M–11, M–11/9, and M–12;
“(vii) Steyr AUG;
“(viii) INTRATEC TEC–9, TEC–DC9 and TEC–22; and
“(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;
“(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of—
“(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
“(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
“(iii) a bayonet mount;
“(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
“(v) a grenade launcher;
“(C) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of—
“(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
“(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
“(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;
“(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and
“(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and
“(D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of—
“(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
“(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
“(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and
“(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.”.
(3) CLERICAL AMENDMENT.—The table of sections for such chapter is amended by adding at the end the following:

“932. Licensing of firearm and ammunition possession; registration of firearms.”.
(4) DEADLINE FOR ESTABLISHMENT.—Within 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Attorney General shall prescribe final regulations to implement the amendments made by this subsection.
(b) Prohibitions; Penalties.—
(1) PROHIBITIONS.—Section 922 of such title is amended by adding at the end the following:
“(aa) It shall be unlawful for a person to possess a firearm or ammunition, unless—
“(1) the person is carrying a valid license issued under section 932(c)(1); and
“(2) (A) in the case of a firearm owned by the person, the firearm is registered to the person under section 932(b); or
“(B) in the case of a firearm owned by another person—
“(i) the firearm is so registered to such other person; and
“(ii) such other person has notified the Attorney General that the firearm has been loaned to the person, and the possession is during the loan period specified in the notice.
“(bb) (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to transfer a firearm or ammunition to a person who is not licensed under section 932(c)(1).
“(2) It shall be unlawful for a person to sell or give a firearm or ammunition to another person unless the person has notified the Attorney General of the sale or gift.
“(3) It shall be unlawful for a person to loan a firearm or ammunition to another person unless the person has notified the Attorney General of the loan, including the identity of such other person and the period for which the loan is made.
“(4) It shall be unlawful for a person holding a valid license issued under section 932(c)(1) to transfer a firearm to an individual who has not attained 18 years of age.
“(cc) A person who possesses a firearm or to whom a license is issued under section 932(c)(1) shall have in effect an insurance policy issued under section 932(d).”.
(2) PENALTIES.—Section 924(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following:
“(8) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(aa) shall be fined not less than $75,000 and not more than $150,000, imprisoned not less than 15 years and not more than 25 years, or both.
“(9) (A) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(bb)(1) shall be fined not less than $50,000 and not more than $75,000, imprisoned not less than 10 years and not more than 15 years, or both.
“(B) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(bb)(2) shall be fined not less than $30,000 and not more than $50,000, imprisoned not less than 5 years and not more than 10 years, or both.
“(C) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(bb)(3) shall be fined not less than $5,000 and not more than $10,000.
“(D) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(bb)(4) shall be fined not less than $75,000 and not more than $100,000, imprisoned not less than 15 years and not more than 25 years, or both, except that if the transferee of the firearm possess or uses the firearm during or in relation to a crime, an unintentional shooting, or suicide, the transferor shall be fined not less than $100,000 and not more than $150,000, imprisoned not less than 25 years and not more than 40 years, or both.
“(10) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(cc) shall be fined not less than $50,000 and not more than $100,000, imprisoned not less than 10 years and not more than 20 years, or both.”.
(3) CONFORMING AMENDMENTS.—
(A) ELIMINATION OF PROHIBITION ON ESTABLISHMENT OF CENTRALIZED FIREARM REGISTRATION SYSTEM.—Section 926(a) of such title is amended by striking the 2nd sentence.
(B) APPLICABILITY TO GOVERNMENTAL AND MILITARY FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION.—Section 925(a) of such title is amended in each of paragraphs (1) and (2), by inserting “and except for section 932,” after the 2nd comma.
(4) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amendments made by this subsection shall take effect on the date final regulations are prescribed under subsection (a)(4).
SEC. 3. PROHIBITION ON POSSESSION OF CERTAIN AMMUNITION.

(a) In General.—Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section 2 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:
“(dd) (1) It shall be unlawful for any person to possess ammunition that is 0.50 caliber or greater.
“(2) (A) It shall be unlawful for any person to possess a large capacity ammunition feeding device.
“(B) Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to—
“(i) the manufacture for, or possession by, the United States or a department or agency of the United States or a State or a department, agency, or political subdivision of a State, or the possession by a law enforcement officer employed by such an entity for purposes of law enforcement (whether on or off duty);
“(ii) the possession by an employee or contractor of a licensee under title I of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 on-site for purposes of establishing and maintaining an on-site physical protection system and security organization required by Federal law, or off-site for purposes of licensee-authorized training or transportation of nuclear materials;
“(iii) the manufacture or possession by a licensed manufacturer or licensed importer for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General; or
“(iv) the manufacture for, or possession by, an organization that provides firearm training and that is registered with the Attorney General, or the possession by an individual to whom such an organization is providing firearm training during and at the location of the training.”.
(b) Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Defined.—Section 921(a) of such title, as amended by section 1 of this Act, is amended by inserting after paragraph (30) the following:
“(31) The term ‘large capacity ammunition feeding device’ means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition, but does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.”.
(c) Penalties.—Section 924(a) of such title, as amended by section 2 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:
“(11) (A) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(dd)(1) shall be fined not less than $50,000 and not more than $100,000, imprisoned not less than 10 years and not more than 20 years, or both.
“(B) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(dd)(2) shall be fined not less than $10,000 and not more than $25,000, imprisoned not less than 1 year and not more than 5 years, or both.”.

Text - H.R.127 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Sabika Sheikh Firearm Licensing and Registration Act

Text for H.R.127 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Sabika Sheikh Firearm Licensing and Registration Act

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The thread premise is a lie.

It's nothing but rightwing demagoguery.

Such legislation is introduced every session, it has no chance of passing, has no cosponsors, and won't even be assigned to a committee.

That's not the issue. The issue is why do you libs keep bringing up unconstitutional bills?

Because they aren't "LIBS"! They are progressive statists. clayton the moron has never seen a anti COTUS proposal he didn't like. They HATE the COTUS because it infringes on their ability to hurt people!

 

[Briss]

PROGS claim ah shucks, we don't want to offend the second amendment or intention, we just want comprehensive & reasonable gun control, cuz we so smart.

Once red California, since turned blue with the internet and Chinese goals is one demonstration how fucked up PROG-speak is, somehow to them actions have no meaning.

I live on the border of communist California, and here's one example of their game. My pistol and I perfectly registered, but if I enter California I'm limited to a 10 round magazine, because 11 makes so much a difference & after all, legal gun owners are the dangerous ones. More than that I have to lock the pistol in one place and lock the ammo in another. Fuck I'm sure that works awesome when you need to defend yourself. Nothing like bringing two keys and cases to a gun fight.

Like letting you have something for home defense, but forcing you to have to turn on the light, make your way to the bullets, unlock a lock, stick the bullets in the gun, and then deal with the home invader. Fortunately, home invaders are notorious for respecting the homeowner's need to prepare for the intrusion once the intrusion is detected.

Right and a PROG-congress just recently agreed to that point in action. One has introduced a bill you can no longer defend yourself against home invaders, because all they want is your stuff and then they politely.

Sounds like burglary is not a bad trade to get into. Job security is certain, and work hazard will be virtually nonexistent because . . . I only want their stuff.

Thing is you have to remember who the victims are here. They need your stuff because they are needy, and they're also a casualty of freedom & capitalism.

Sharing is where we need to be, so there really isn't an intrusion. Consider it more a charity & to square things up so we're equal.

So you advocate home invasion on the basis of your belief that it is for a good cause. Okay . . .

 

[Missourian]

This likely isn't getting out of committee.

The gun controllers have largely lost the battle.

Since the pandemic, the riots, food shortages and the rise in violence in the urban areas...more and more on the left are embracing gun culture.

There are few guns on the shelves not because of people like me...I think the prices are ridiculous...but due to an influx of new buyers.

And like many of us...once a right is embraced, it is unbelievable difficult to wrest it away.

So...don't let your guard down...but also attempt to embrace these new gun owners and welcome them to the fight to retain our firearm rights regardless of their politics.

This WILL pass. Don't kid yourself. The CACA minions MUST disarm the population. For their goals to be fully realized the people have to subjugated. That can't happen so long as we are armed.

Remember this, when this law passes you have two choices, die early but take some with you, or die later, but much harder in a camp.

I just don't believe this the hill they'll choose to die on.

The choke point...as we are seeing presently...is ammunition. Why send troops to every home when you can shut down the ammunition factories... seize the supply of modern smokeless powder.

Viola...you've rendered 80% of firearms useless by the end of the week.

Everyone should own two guns chambered in a cartridge a century old. 30/30, 45 Colt, 38 Special, 45-70, 30-06. And some black powder pistols and rifles. Something with the capacity to load with black powder. And have a supply of primers.

It ain't much...but it's better than a sharp stick.

Just my opinion...your millage may vary.

 

[Missourian]

They better bring guns to take my guns.
I won't register them regardless of their little bill.

I know not these guns of which you speak.

 

[Pogo]

Well hell, how long have we been registering cars for the public roads? There's always some gun fetishist posting in his underwear on this site screaming about how many traffic fatalities versus gun murders ---- even though no car is intentionally designed for it and those are all accidents....

Have it both ways much?

AMENDMENT 11 of the Bill of Rights:
A well regulated car, being necessary to the security of a productive State, the right of the people to keep and bear vehicles, shall not be infringed.
Great comparison! Registering cars is unconstitutional! Its in the bill of rights too!

That's pretty funny Harley.

I like how it brings to the forefront the term "well-regulated". I hadn't even thought of that but there it is.

well regulated in that time meant that all weapons were working properly and you had everything you needed for them to work. Such as ammunition.
I know in your statist mind you want it to mean something else, though...

Exactly...like regulating a clock...not writing a regulation.

to bring order, method, or uniformity to

And that is the only interpretation that makes any sense.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The correct interpretation...


An orderly and uniform militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Compared to...

A Militia governed by governmental regulations, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

That's is jarringly incongruous and illogical.

Those two definitions are the same thing.

"Regulating" something means it has a framework, as opposed to running as random free-for-all. You regulate a clock so that the time it shows is not random. You regulate a drug company so that it doesn't sell snake oil. You regulate air traffic so that planes aren't all autonomous and crashing into each other.