Thanks to Reaganomics 80 Percent...

[Toddsterpatriot]

http://ctj.org/images/taxday2012table.jpg

Poor people pay more in state and local, and taxes and fees, %wise, than many rich do in all taxes. That's what's happened under Voodoo. Cut all federal taxes, and state, local, and payroll taxes, and fees (DMV, you name it) go up, and kill the nonrich- while the dupes go on about the 47% paying no taxes...

Poor people pay more in state and local, and taxes and fees, %wise, than many rich do in all taxes.

I know you're a moron, but Reagan had no power over those taxes.
Glad you realize the idiocy of your claims.

 

[whitehall]

Washington D.C. is one of the most dynamic areas in the US. There are construction cranes all over the place and the federal government is on a hiring binge but there is a section represented by the drug abusing former mayor with a poverty rate equal to 3rd world countries. Blame Reagan or the fools tho keep getting elected with promises of a free ride for their constituents?

 

[squeeze berry]

now the Obama fluffers are blaming Reagan?

hell, why not Lincoln too?

 

[francoHFW]

When you cut federal taxes and services, state, local, and payroll taxes have taken up the slack. That's why the rich have quadrupled their wealth while the nonrich and the country have gone to hell....also:

Voodoo wrecked and IS WRECKING the nonrich to the point where demand for products and services has dried up, along with their savings...before the corruption and cronyism housing and credit meltdown of 2008...Memorize the facts, hater dupes:1. WORKERS past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):1950 = 101%1960 = 105%1970 = 105%1980 = 105% – Reagan1990 = 100%2000 = 96%2007 = 92%A 13% drop since 1980A 13% drop since 19802. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.Share of National Income going to Top 10%:1950 = 35%1960 = 34%1970 = 34%1980 = 34% – Reagan1990 = 40%2000 = 47%2007 = 50% TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.Household Debt as percentage of GDP:1965 = 46%1970 = 45%1980 = 50% – Reagan1990 = 61%2000 = 69%2007 = 95% An increase of 16% since Reagan.3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.1950 = 6.0%1960 = 7.0%1970 = 8.5%1980 = 10.0% – Reagan1982 = 11.2% – Peak1990 = 7.0%2000 = 2.0%2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)A 5.6 times increase.6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:1945 = 12%1958 = 6%1990 = 3%2000 = 2%A 10% Decrease.Links:1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Researc...s/No7Nov04.pdf1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)2 – Congratulations to Emmanuel Saez | The White House3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/imag...ving_thumb.gif3 = http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/...&LastYear=20104 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php...or-debt-of-gdp4 = FRB: Z.1 Release--Financial Accounts of the United States--June 6, 20135/6 = Wealth And Inequality In America - Business Insider

 

[francoHFW]

gd computer-

We blame ALL Republicans- because we know actual history. We STILL have Reagan's tax rates - great for the rich. Period.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well, it's tough- we don't have a propaganda machine to organize our BS and repeat it 200 times lkie billionnaire Pubs have bought for you dupes, but here:

"That’s really what the American tax system looks like: Not 47 percent paying nothing, but everybody paying something, and most Americans paying between 25 percent and 30 percent of their income — which is, by the way, a lot more the 13.9 percent Mitt Romney paid in 2011*.

When politicians try to convince you that half of Americans aren’t really paying taxes, it’s usually because the real data undermines their preferred policies. For instance, you wouldn’t look at these numbers and think tax cuts for the rich need to be a huge priority. And that’s one reason people who want more tax cuts for the rich don’t like to show you these numbers.

* Romney’s 13.9 percent rate only counts his federal taxes. He hasn’t released his state
and local returns for 2011, so we can’t say how that would change his total tax rate. But given the state and local averages for someone in his income group, it’s likely to remain well below the 25-30 percent that is typical."

Washington Post

I saw reports that Romney would have paid 9% if he'd figured his taxes the way he had before- wanted to make it look good. I have seen the numbers I posted- can't find them now, but as you can see....this basically says the same.

most Americans paying between 25 percent and 30 percent of their income

If you believe that, you aren't very familiar with our tax code.

Wrong again- check this, and add fees for gov't BS, and the poor pay as much as the rich in ALL taxes and fees, under voodoo...

http://ctj.org/images/taxday2012table.jpg

Under "voodoo", we're only talking about Federal taxes.
And your own chart (thanks) proves your claims are wrong.

And Romney pays 9%, the richest 17%, the middle class 24%,

LOL! As you can see, under "voodoo" the middle 20% pays 13.9% and the richest 5% pays 19.7% and the top 1% pays 21.1%.

 

[squeeze berry]

our "poor" have

tv
microwave
fridge
house
car
computer
cable tv
cell phone
washer/dryer
gameboy
free school lunch
housing
tanf
snap
etc


evidently you never spend your welfare checks on laxative

 

[georgiapeach]

Reagan hasn't been president since January 1989, so your blame is misplaced.

Obama, on the other hand, has been in office since January 2009.

Presidents leave legacies, George Washington did, FDR did and so it is with Reagan's legacy that of tripling the national debt.

And-----and the Reagan recovery that Republicans are wont to tout was Keynesian.

What's more, President Reagan greatly increased government spending to aid the economic recovery. In contrast, government spending under President Obama is falling at a rate of 1.4 percent, the first decline in real spending since the 1970s, as The Wall Street Journal noted:

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Then why does the debt ceiling have to be increased?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

When you cut federal taxes and services, state, local, and payroll taxes have taken up the slack.


Which Federal services have been cut?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

gd computer-

We blame ALL Republicans- because we know actual history. We STILL have Reagan's tax rates - great for the rich. Period.

We STILL have Reagan's tax rates

The top rate was 28% when Reagan left office.
Now it's 39.6%.

Were you always stupid, or have you suffered traumatic brain injuries?

 

[whitehall]

Why didn't "clintonomics" work"? Was there a Clinton economic strategy? Freaking Enron was running wild during the Clinton years and found to be a criminal enterprise during the Bush administration. Clinton pardoned the most notorious corporate crook in history while he was on the FBI 10 most wanted for a donation to his library by his wife. Clinton had the same amount of time that Reagan had to undermine "Reaganomics" or build a whole new economic strategy so why does the left blame Reagan for the poverty pimps that the democrat party has been propping up for decades? Reagan didn't cause Detroit to go bankrupt. Fifty years of democrat party leadership and pandering to the unions and social programs that ultimately ruined Black families caused Detroit's demise.

 

[Avatar4321]

80% poverty/unemployment? You're admitting unemployment sucks, but somehow it's Reagan's fault that Unemployment sucks in the Obama administration?

 

[Star]

Presidents leave legacies, George Washington did, FDR did and so it is with Reagan's legacy that of tripling the national debt.

And-----and the Reagan recovery that Republicans are wont to tout was Keynesian.

What's more, President Reagan greatly increased government spending to aid the economic recovery. In contrast, government spending under President Obama is falling at a rate of 1.4 percent, the first decline in real spending since the 1970s, as The Wall Street Journal noted:

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Then why does the debt ceiling have to be increased?

Good question, simple answer - Republicans are out of sync, i.e. Republican ideology and funders won't allow them to find the sweet spot between funding the safety net programs a majority of Americans love and-----and the viable tax bracket a majority of Americans support.

"Where Republicans find themselves on the wrong side of the fence is when they attack popular social programs like Medicare and Social Security. Hard line conservative ideology teaches a hatred of the social safety net, but to an overwhelming majority of Americans these programs are a deeply valued component of our modern social contract.

When Republicans propose a cuts (tax and programs) only agenda, they are not being realistic. Every time John Boehner or any other Republican claims that the American people don’t support any increase in taxes, he and they are not telling the complete truth. The American people may not love the idea of a tax increase, but they understand that it has to be part of the deficit reduction solution...


...Once again, the collective Republican ideological blind spot on taxation is pushing them out of the American mainstream."

And-----and just in case you didn't notice, in the 2012 election, Dems won the popular vote for President
and Dems won the popular vote for US Senators and Dems won the popular vote for Reprsentatives
in the House of Representatives. IOW's - in the 2012 election American voters told Republicans
we-don't-like-you!
.

 

[francoHFW]

gd computer-

We blame ALL Republicans- because we know actual history. We STILL have Reagan's tax rates - great for the rich. Period.

We STILL have Reagan's tax rates

The top rate was 28% when Reagan left office.
Now it's 39.6%.

Were you always stupid, or have you suffered traumatic brain injuries?

And what was it before the demented fool? 70%? Christ he tripled the debt- talk about a stimulus- AND deregulated us into an S+L bubble recession....W was his perfect legacy. AND gave us the BS Pub Propaganda Machine- and loudmouth fools like you. Breaking!!: The rich don't pay enough, and the country has gone to hell- BEFORE the 2008 Pub meltdown. And only Rush, Newt, and the hater dupes don't know it...

 

[georgiapeach]

And-----and the Reagan recovery that Republicans are wont to tout was Keynesian.

What's more, President Reagan greatly increased government spending to aid the economic recovery. In contrast, government spending under President Obama is falling at a rate of 1.4 percent, the first decline in real spending since the 1970s, as The Wall Street Journal noted:

​

.​

Then why does the debt ceiling have to be increased?

Good question, simple answer - Republicans are out of sync, i.e. Republican ideology and funders won't allow them to find the sweet spot between funding the safety net programs a majority of Americans love and-----and the viable tax bracket a majority of Americans support.

"Where Republicans find themselves on the wrong side of the fence is when they attack popular social programs like Medicare and Social Security. Hard line conservative ideology teaches a hatred of the social safety net, but to an overwhelming majority of Americans these programs are a deeply valued component of our modern social contract.

When Republicans propose a cuts (tax and programs) only agenda, they are not being realistic. Every time John Boehner or any other Republican claims that the American people don’t support any increase in taxes, he and they are not telling the complete truth. The American people may not love the idea of a tax increase, but they understand that it has to be part of the deficit reduction solution...


...Once again, the collective Republican ideological blind spot on taxation is pushing them out of the American mainstream."

And-----and just in case you didn't notice, in the 2012 election, Dems won the popular vote for President
and Dems won the popular vote for US Senators and Dems won the popular vote for Reprsentatives
in the House of Representatives. IOW's - in the 2012 election American voters told Republicans
we-don't-like-you!
.

You really didn't answer my questions.

If government spending is falling at a rate of 1.4% under the Obama administration, why does the debt ceiling need to be increased?

 

[francoHFW]

"If government spending is falling at a rate of 1.4% under the Obama administration, why does the debt ceiling need to be increased?"

Because the debt ceiling ALWAYS go up, and only YOU MORONS have ruined the economy scaring the shytte out of people about it....Pub dupes!!

His spending STARTED at the Bush DEPRESSION level that a-hole catastrophe left him, dingbat.

 

[Billy000]

Then why does the debt ceiling have to be increased?

Good question, simple answer - Republicans are out of sync, i.e. Republican ideology and funders won't allow them to find the sweet spot between funding the safety net programs a majority of Americans love and-----and the viable tax bracket a majority of Americans support.

"Where Republicans find themselves on the wrong side of the fence is when they attack popular social programs like Medicare and Social Security. Hard line conservative ideology teaches a hatred of the social safety net, but to an overwhelming majority of Americans these programs are a deeply valued component of our modern social contract.

When Republicans propose a cuts (tax and programs) only agenda, they are not being realistic. Every time John Boehner or any other Republican claims that the American people don’t support any increase in taxes, he and they are not telling the complete truth. The American people may not love the idea of a tax increase, but they understand that it has to be part of the deficit reduction solution...


...Once again, the collective Republican ideological blind spot on taxation is pushing them out of the American mainstream."

And-----and just in case you didn't notice, in the 2012 election, Dems won the popular vote for President
and Dems won the popular vote for US Senators and Dems won the popular vote for Reprsentatives
in the House of Representatives. IOW's - in the 2012 election American voters told Republicans
we-don't-like-you!
.

You really didn't answer my questions.

If government spending is falling at a rate of 1.4% under the Obama administration, why does the debt ceiling need to be increased?

The debt ceiling has been raised 74 times since 1964. Government spending has always been in practice.

 

[HomeInspect]

After reading the back and forth in this thread, and everyone twisting the number to their advantage, one sad thing remains the truth... It can never be Obama's fault, regardless of how long he is president.

 

[jasonnfree]

Reagan hasn't been president since January 1989, so your blame is misplaced.

Obama, on the other hand, has been in office since January 2009.

Reagan's "give it all to the rich and some of that wealth will trickle down on the rest of us" lives on. FDR and LBJ are dead also but their "let's help the little guy" message live on. Those are the two presidents that should be honored. All you working stiffs that vote republican would probably be having mom and dad live with you in their old age if it weren't for LBJ and FDR. Be careful what you wish for if the real reptilians like paul ryan and rand paul ever take over.

 

[Redfish]

And-----and the Reagan recovery that Republicans are wont to tout was Keynesian.

What's more, President Reagan greatly increased government spending to aid the economic recovery. In contrast, government spending under President Obama is falling at a rate of 1.4 percent, the first decline in real spending since the 1970s, as The Wall Street Journal noted:

​

.​

Then why does the debt ceiling have to be increased?

Good question, simple answer - Republicans are out of sync, i.e. Republican ideology and funders won't allow them to find the sweet spot between funding the safety net programs a majority of Americans love and-----and the viable tax bracket a majority of Americans support.

"Where Republicans find themselves on the wrong side of the fence is when they attack popular social programs like Medicare and Social Security. Hard line conservative ideology teaches a hatred of the social safety net, but to an overwhelming majority of Americans these programs are a deeply valued component of our modern social contract.

When Republicans propose a cuts (tax and programs) only agenda, they are not being realistic. Every time John Boehner or any other Republican claims that the American people don’t support any increase in taxes, he and they are not telling the complete truth. The American people may not love the idea of a tax increase, but they understand that it has to be part of the deficit reduction solution...


...Once again, the collective Republican ideological blind spot on taxation is pushing them out of the American mainstream."

And-----and just in case you didn't notice, in the 2012 election, Dems won the popular vote for President
and Dems won the popular vote for US Senators and Dems won the popular vote for Reprsentatives
in the House of Representatives. IOW's - in the 2012 election American voters told Republicans
we-don't-like-you!
.

nice recitation of dem/lib talking points, but totally wrong. Republicans are NOT oppossed to social security, medicare, medicaid, and most welfare programs. They are opposed to using govt money (our taxes) for stupid wasteful things like most foreign aid, planned parenthood, acorn, NPR, obama phones, backing mortgages that can never be paid, bailouts of private conpanies, the war on oil an coal, free birth control, and other stupid libtardian shit.

What is it about having a balanced budget that you dem/libs find so objectionable? Do you run your personal finances in continual deficit?