Texas secession petition on White House website fast approaching 25,000-signatures!

[bripat9643]

So your stupid ass contention is that it isnt treason until the government wins the war?

ROFLMAO

Your obviously not a lawyer, are you TooStoop?

Secession isn't treason, period, dumbass. Read the Constitution. It includes the definition of treason. Secession doesn't comply with the definition.

 

[bripat9643]

[At what moment does the Constitution state it will no longer be a legitimate sovereign authority???

Where did you get the idea that the Constitution has the authority to determine its own legitimacy?

 

[pjnlsn]

No it doesn't. Treason is defined in the Constitution.

And all it takes is a declaration stating that secession will be considered an act of war. If they carry through... there you have it.

Sorry, not used to having to connect all the dots for people.

Bullshit. Congress doesn't get to define the meaning of words.

Speaking of rhetoric.....

His point is obviously that if a state actually were to secede, all it would take is a law stating that secession is an act of war, and then given that the seceded state(s) will probably be a minority, making such a declaration easy, nobody will even think about a real war.

But the point is academic anyway, because it won't happen.

 

[ScienceRocks]

If a state gets a majority of votes to secede from this union Obama must grant it.

 

[oldernwiser]

Ask Abraham Lincoln what we do to seceders

You'd hurl your corpses like ants till the Texan guns ran out of ammo like Grant, Meade, McClelan, Pope and the other losers?

You Yankees are like a bunch of punks that bring twenty boys to play a pick up game of basketball then throw your shoulders out patting yourself on the back for eaking out a narrow win .... a win so desperate your own generals wept when peace came...weeping for releif that they wouldnt have to keeping killing Yankees to gain flanking positions on an vastly outnumbered and far more competent enemy.

You bunch of fucking fools.

You ass wipe couch turds couldnt do it again anyway because Ireland wont have another potato famine that would send hundreds of thousands of Irish boys for you to conscript for your legions of human sacrifices, lol.

'I know you...you rode with JEB Stuart in Virginia! You recognize us doncha?'

'Nah, cant say that I do, but do me a favor...'

'Wassat?'

'Just turn around for a minute...'

'OK'

'Ah, NOW I recognise ya!'

Yeah? well we'll take our fence too.... you think you have problems with illegal Mexicans now - let's see how you deal with the sons of Santayana

 

[ScienceRocks]

What right does Obama have to attack people trying to go their own way? We don't want to live under his rule anymore.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I'm sure we have all heard rumors about the movement within Texas to secede from the union and many scoff at the notion. However, with elections like the ones we just had, people tend to become more determined and purposeful.

Just for fun, what would happen if Texas seceded? What would be the reaction of the federal monster in DC and what would become of the people of Texas? Many may not know this, but Texas governed itself for 9 years before becoming annexed by the US government.

Yeah..................right................Texas is gonna leave the Union.

Led by who, Rick Perry (the current governor)?

Poor fucker couldn't even remember what 3 departments he was gonna get rid of. Does he really need to be running a country (which is what would happen if TX seceded)?

If TX leaves the Union, I'm moving back to Montana or Colorado.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I say we get the a majority vote in 2-3 states and form a new nation. A nation of freedom!

 

[Unkotare]

I say we get the a majority vote in 2-3 states and form a new nation. A nation of freedom!

I say you go sleep it off before your last feeble brain cell blinks out.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The losers are down to this.

Actually the movement to secede has been around since 1995......and growing larger by the day.

Yeah.....give Texas (back) to Mexico.

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[JakeStarkey]

I am talking about Texans not the state.

We would have to put electrified fences patrolled by killer security dogs to keep the illegal immigrants (we will call them 'texas backs' because they would have to swim the Red and the Sabine to get out of Texas).

I guarantee you residents from New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana would be starting their own armed militias to keep the 'texas backs' on their side of the international border.

Want no illegals here.

We would give military aid to Mexico to keep the Texadumbs looking south.

So you think that after Texas seceded that it would instantly decide to do something that it has declined to do for the last 30 years?

 

[JWBooth]

What right does Obama have to attack people trying to go their own way? We don't want to live under his rule anymore.

I dunno how to break this to you, but see, this secession thing didn't work 150 years ago when the states were in a far better position to pull it off and had several months to prepare before hostilities began.

 

[JakeStarkey]

25000 Texans are not going to tell 25000000 Texans what to do: stupid, crazy people.

 

[Dick Tuck]

 

[bodecea]

I say we get the a majority vote in 2-3 states and form a new nation. A nation of freedom!

That's a great idea...make sure Texas is one of them....I'll even help you guys pack.

 

[Flanders]

The beginning of a Secession Movement is the best news to come down the pike since the British surrendered at Yorktown.

. . . residents in the state of Louisiana were petitioning to secede from the U.S., residents in over 20 more states have filed requests with the White House to peaceably break from the union.

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Joining Louisiana now are Arizona, Oklahoma, Arkansas, South Carolina, Georgia, Missouri, Tennessee, Michigan, New York, Colorado, Oregon, New Jersey, North Dakota, Montana, Indiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, Florida, North Carolina, Alabama and Texas.

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Screen capture of White House petition page for Louisiana secession​

Residents of other states, however, have chosen different wording.

The Texas petition explains itself this way: “The U.S. continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government’s neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the U.S. suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it’s citizens’ standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our Founding Fathers, which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.”

Now many states want to secede from U.S.
Movement started day after election spreading like wildfire
Published: 20 hours ago
by DREW ZAHN

Now many states want to secede from U.S.

Separating the parasites from the producers is the first scenario that comes to mind. (Ann Coulter calls them the makers and the takers.)

Separation in America should not be confused with India’s partition in 1947. Partition was the only way to rein in the religious hatreds and violence that existed between Muslims and the Hindu majority. Nor should it be confused with the differences between the Union and the Confederate States that ended in a bloody Civil War.

Today, separation can be accomplished peacefully because it is purely political rather than religious, racial, or along geographical lines. Americans who want to return to the limited government, property Rights, and individual freedoms the Founders codified in the Constitution and in the Original Bill of Rights can move to a state that secedes, while Socialists can live in those states that advocate omnipotent government and collectivism. Everybody gets what they want. Socialists get even more because they can finally establish their utopia by working for one another —— leaving the rest of us to fend for ourselves as did early Americans.

Philosophically separation is on the side of the secessionists:

Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy. Ron Paul

The Founders distrusted powerful central government to begin with; so it’s safe to say they would despise today’s federal government much like Dr. Frankenstein hated the monster.

Also, an honest look at the morals advocated and practiced by the people running the federal government shows that secession is right in line with Arnold Toynbee’s observation:

Of the 22 civilizations that have appeared in history, 19 of them collapsed when they reached the moral state America is in today.

Toynbee does not say how many of those 19 civilizations died violent deaths. The collapse of America’s civilization need not be violent. Many Americans already believe the federal government is not worth fighting for or saving. Peaceful secession could make the score 20 out 23 and no harm done.

Is the framework for peaceful secession already in place? Answer: There are two schools of thought on that question. The answer is no if you agree with the North’s victory in the Civil War. The answer is yes just as it was yes before the start of the War Between the States.

Parenthetically, all of the recent crapola put out about Lincoln the Magnificent appears to be aimed at heading off the Secession Movement. In truth:

. . . Americans have been suffering, due to the federal government’s monopoly in the production and distribution of money, thanks to President Abraham Lincoln and his War on Independence.

Within the inalienable rights to life and liberty, as recognized in the Declaration of Independence, is the right to independence. People have a right not to be compelled to be dependent on the federal government’s monopoly of territorial protection and jurisdiction. If people within a particular territory have a right of independence and a right of self-determination, then they have a right to secede from the federal “union.” This is reinforced by the Declaration of Independence, which states that “it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.” And Thomas Jefferson later noted, “...If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers separation....to a continuance in the union....I have no hesitation in saying, 'let us separate'...”

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Much of America’s current economic slavery and depression are tied to Lincoln’s actions. To Lincoln, expanding the size and power of the federal government and further handcuffing the masses was worth the clinging US government’s campaign of violence and barbarism against civilians that contradicted internationally recognized mores. While the Founding Fathers were forced to use war to secede from tyrannical British rule, Lincoln used war for the opposite purpose.

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The nation states of the Soviet Union learned their lesson, that central planning and government monopolies violate individual rights and cause dysfunction, economic stagnation and corruption. Either the US states ought to secede from the federal government’s control, or we ought to consider eliminating the federal government altogether and let the people have their freedom and independence. It is the people’s inalienable right to secede, just as it was the Founders’ inalienable right to secede from British rule.

The Inalienable Right To Secede
by Scott Lazarowitz

The Inalienable Right To Secede by Scott Lazarowitz

I have to give Lincoln one passing grade —— he had no use for bankers. Yet his War on Independence did more to empower today’s bankers than did the actions of any other president. His war ended in the Federal Reserve System. See this video:

The Creature From Jekyll Island (by G. Edward Griffin) - YouTube

Let’s jump ahead and say that a number of states secede peacefully.

The Monroe Doctrine would still apply. Seceding Americans would not want to defend the form of government practiced in the states they seceded from any more than they want to defend communism at home or abroad as the federal government now does. So the first thing they must do is agree to defend the continent. That’s assuming the Socialist states want to cooperate in defending territorial integrity. Socialists have never shown a willingness to defend the U.S. of A. against the International community, but they might change their minds when they are out there all by themselves.

China and Russia would be held at bay during the transition period knowing that every state and the current military would still defend America's current territory.

Setting up a military structure for the purpose of self-defense should not present a problem. Unlike the War Between the States where all of the manufacturing was in the North, much of the machinery is already located in seceding states. Essential industries located abroad can quickly be returned.

Serendipitously, secession automatically wipes out membership in the United Nations. I’d go so far as to suggest following up by criminalizing binding membership in International organizations.

To no one’s surprise, those people who say American states have no Right to secede from their federal government are the same people who claim nations have no Right to secede from the United Nations. Basically, the prohibition refers to smaller nations because I doubt if anyone can stop China, Russia, India, and a few others from seceding if they so choose.

Language

Establishing English as the state language would be next. That would help insure that North America does not degenerate in a bunch of warring states speaking different languages like Europe.

The Constitution

The next thing seceding states must do is update the original Constitution and Bill of Rights along the lines the Founders laid out. All of the avenues that led to the welfare state, along with the creation and growth of a parasite class, can be closed off quite easily simply by defining necessary government. If it ain’t necessary it does not get a penny from the public treasury. The beauty there is that politicians cannot buy votes with tax dollars as Democrats have been doing since the FDR years.

It goes without saying that a tax on income will also be eliminated constitutionally for all time.

Citizenship

American citizens would have five years to establish citizenship in a seceding state. At the end of five years dual
citizenship would not be honored in any way. Primarily, citizenship would be established to protect property Rights, employment, legal Rights, and insuring that only citizens are issued passports for travel outside the original 50 states. Travel between states that seceded and those states that chose collectivism should not require travel papers.

Finally, I offered a few thoughts for speculation purposes. No doubt there is a lot more that has to be worked out if the Secession Movement succeeds, but like the man said:

Jack Jones - This Could Be The Start Of Something - YouTube

 

[LockeJaw]

I signed it. Just the actual discussion and debate taking place is needed in this country because of how polarized we've become.

 

[JWBooth]

The beginning of a Secession Movement is the best news to come down the pike since the British surrendered at Yorktown.
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As absolutely meaningless as this one:

Give Us a Dawson's Creek Reunion

 

[LockeJaw]

I'm sure we have all heard rumors about the movement within Texas to secede from the union and many scoff at the notion. However, with elections like the ones we just had, people tend to become more determined and purposeful.

Just for fun, what would happen if Texas seceded? What would be the reaction of the federal monster in DC and what would become of the people of Texas? Many may not know this, but Texas governed itself for 9 years before becoming annexed by the US government.

With 40% of us Texans voting for Obama, you gonna fucking kill all of us?

Is that a challenge?

Haha! I was thinking the same thing.

 

[squinch]

Do you have to be from Texas to sign the petition? I'll sign it.