Texas secession petition on White House website fast approaching 25,000-signatures!

[bripat9643]

"The scientific centrally planned route of governance has always resulted in disaster and equality in misery."

Always? I did not know we lost either WWI or WWII.

Are you suffering from the delusion that during WW II the allies were in a war against market economies?

 

[bripat9643]

You are projecting, tool boy.

Did we not integrate government, business, and labor to win the war in a "scientific centrally planned" program "of governance"?

No, we did that because FDR was a fascist. It had nothing to do with winning the war.

Were we not successful?

"Successful" at what? We won the war only because the US economy was bigger at the start of the war than the German and Japanese economies, despite FDRs economic policies.

And to unhinge your silly question, was the USSR more centralize than Germany?

No.

You far right pretend a cons are so easily smacked down.

Still wanna play, tool boy?

You're a moron who is comfortable with your ignorance.

 

[JakeStarkey]

bripat continues to shrivel and drivel.

America overwhelmingly rejects libertarianism.

 

[editec]

Texas secession petition on White House website fast approaching 25,000-signatures!

Those disenchanted TEXANS are more than welcome to leave the USA.

But TEXAS ain't going anywhere, kiddies.

Get used to it.

 

[oldernwiser]

You are projecting, tool boy.

Did we not integrate government, business, and labor to win the war in a "scientific centrally planned" program "of governance"?

No, we did that because FDR was a fascist. It had nothing to do with winning the war.

Were we not successful?

"Successful" at what? We won the war only because the US economy was bigger at the start of the war than the German and Japanese economies, despite FDRs economic policies.

And to unhinge your silly question, was the USSR more centralize than Germany?

No.

You far right pretend a cons are so easily smacked down.

Still wanna play, tool boy?

You're a moron who is comfortable with your ignorance.

Not quite. You need to checkout the definition of "fascism". It's typically an extreme right-wing position and has more to do with corporatism (the direction you seem to want to push our own economy) than social issues which is a left-wing topic.

At the start of the WWII, the US had a large manufacturing base, that's true, although it wasn't fully mobilized. The Germans on the other hand had fully mobilized their own industry and had it running full strength before they invaded Poland. Ours came on line AFTER we entered the war. We actually won that war due to 2 major issues. The first being that the theater was in the German's back yard which gave the Allies fat industrial targets to slow Germany's production. The second being that we had no such interference with our own industry and could sustain our efforts until we ran out of raw materials. It could also be argued that there was 3rd reason that we won, and that was our ability to stall our own efforts while throwing the rest of Europe under the bus while we got our collective asses in gear.

 

[shock]

A few good penmen armed with a variety of pens and pencils
can turn out as many signatures on as many petitions
as Wall Street, our corporations and clans such as the Koch Brothers are willing to buy.

United we stand and divided we fall.

A small nation such as
Israel
with a plan, an organization and money necessary to accomplish its purpose,
can,
if we are divided,
not only control us
but also own us body and soul.

As for those who believe that has already happened,
consider the fact we still have enough freedom of speech
and enough freedom of action
to break away from our captor,
but if we were divded
we would lack the unity, the will, the strength and the power to do so.

SHOCKLEY

 

[Photonic]

Are you really railing on science for societies failings?

 

[kellym]

Intended audience: Readers of a newspaper
Intended persona: persuasive
Ideal publication medium: newspaper
Three devices used: logos, pathos, voice
Title: We Shall Remain a Nation

In the article “What if Texas Really were its own Country?” the author Alberto Riva comes up with some good points on how Texas would be able to survive on its own. He states that it would have the 14th largest economy in the world, bigger than the Netherlands and South Korea. Houston, Texas’ capital, is the “energy capital of the world” so it would automatically have success. US Airlines and Southwest is based in Dallas, a very popular city in Texas. There are some ideas I disagree with. What would happen to the two main football teams, the Dallas Cowboys and the Houston Texans? Where would they go? Also, many citizens of Texas may not approve of this. Although the author states that Texas will most not likely be becoming its own nation soon, the government should take in consideration of the people who live in Texas and what they feel about the situation.

 

[Pinocchio]

If Reps had won, they would move more to states rights anyway. States rights and secession is what the South and the Civil war was all about.

Texas was part of the Southern migration, including the New Mexico, Kansas and Nebraska territories.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/US_Slave_Free_1789-1861.gif


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas–Nebraska_Act

 

[dblack]

You are projecting, tool boy.

Did we not integrate government, business, and labor to win the war in a "scientific centrally planned" program "of governance"?

No, we did that because FDR was a fascist. It had nothing to do with winning the war.

Not quite. You need to checkout the definition of "fascism". It's typically an extreme right-wing position and has more to do with corporatism (the direction you seem to want to push our own economy) than social issues which is a left-wing topic.

Fascism can be left-wing as well. And for what it's worth, FDR was pretty definitely a corporatist.

 

[Votto]

So does anyone know when, or if, the White House as responded to the petition drive as they promised?

 

[Unkotare]

States rights and secession is what the South and the Civil war was all about.

There were some other 'considerations' as well.

 

[Unkotare]

No, we did that because FDR was a fascist. It had nothing to do with winning the war.

Not quite. You need to checkout the definition of "fascism". It's typically an extreme right-wing position and has more to do with corporatism (the direction you seem to want to push our own economy) than social issues which is a left-wing topic.

Fascism can be left-wing as well. And for what it's worth, FDR was pretty definitely a corporatist.

He was definately a son of a *****.

 

[ABikerSailor]

No, we did that because FDR was a fascist. It had nothing to do with winning the war.

Not quite. You need to checkout the definition of "fascism". It's typically an extreme right-wing position and has more to do with corporatism (the direction you seem to want to push our own economy) than social issues which is a left-wing topic.

Fascism can be left-wing as well. And for what it's worth, FDR was pretty definitely a corporatist.

Really? Can you provide concrete evidence of a left wing fascist?

And.............please................someone more famous than the bum on the corner that you give a dollar to each morning to agree with you.

 

[Grandma]

So does anyone know when, or if, the White House as responded to the petition drive as they promised?

The White House response is scheduled for 9 December. The response will be "No."

 

[dblack]

Not quite. You need to checkout the definition of "fascism". It's typically an extreme right-wing position and has more to do with corporatism (the direction you seem to want to push our own economy) than social issues which is a left-wing topic.

Fascism can be left-wing as well. And for what it's worth, FDR was pretty definitely a corporatist.

Really? Can you provide concrete evidence of a left wing fascist?

And.............please................someone more famous than the bum on the corner that you give a dollar to each morning to agree with you.

I said fascism can be 'left-wing'. By the tone of your question, you seem to be denying this. But the single most agreed upon 'feature' of fascism is the primacy of the state over the individual. If you don't see that represented in modern liberal politics (PPACA is a shining example) then I can only suggest you're not paying attention - or engaging in willful delusion.

Based on your response, I'm wondering if you really understand what corporatism is. You brought it up, which is why I pointed out that much of FDR's policy, particularly the New Deal, was textbook corporatism. PPACA is pure corporatism as well. Yet both of these programs are popular with the "left", are they not?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Fascism is a statist philosophy with right wing-left wing regressive-progressive manifestations.

Progressivism is an impulse of the 20th century that projects the state for better or worse into the lives of citizens. Both liberals and conservatives are progressive statists when they want the state to manage their concerns, whether it be integration or prohibition, whether it be abortion on demand or no abortion.

Almost all Americans are progressives, other than the anarcho-libertarians, who are cave people.

 

[Votto]

So does anyone know when, or if, the White House as responded to the petition drive as they promised?

The White House response is scheduled for 9 December. The response will be "No."

Even though it is probably a fantasy, it would be a great thing to see the response of the federal government to seccession. After all, when the South split the North had the moral high ground of being anti-slavery. Then Lincoln picked a fight with them and got the South to fire the first shot. However, what if this were done peacefully? Would Obama committ another Americans 600,000 dead in order to "preserve" the Union?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Texas is going nowhere, because 95% of Texans will put the 5% to the wall without any police or military help.

 

[g5000]

25,000 signatures on that secession petition, eh?

Gee, that sounds like a lot...NOT.

Here's one with almost 28,000 signatures on it, and it is on the official White House site!

Secure resources and funding, and begin construction of a Death Star by 2016.

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