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[Seymour Flops]

As I've noted many times, even if they did get them they can not live on them without jobs. But those providing jobs seem off limits.

"Even if they did?" So you still claim to believe that they aren't taking benefits?

I'm not going to buy that. If you really believed that they don't take benefits, that would make you a special kind of stupid that is rarely encountered even on a forum like this. My guess is that you hoped that your blatant lie would be a conversation stopper.

It's not about the problem with most. It's about politics. Politics have become a cult.

Yes, politics suck.

All the more reason that we need to protect ourselves by securing the border.

 

[pknopp]

"Even if they did?" So you still claim to believe that they aren't taking benefits?

Yes.

I'm not going to buy that. If you really believed that they don't take benefits, that would make you a special kind of stupid that is rarely encountered even on a forum like this. My guess is that you hoped that your blatant lie would be a conversation stopper.

Yes, politics suck.

All the more reason that we need to protect ourselves by securing the border.

No, those who make excuses for their failed politics suck. As long as the jobs are here, they will get here.

 

[Fueri]

Biden owns this shit show. Utterly ridiculous that this administration has allowed this to balloon to the levels we are seeing now, with land encounters at the Southwest border running at 5.48X relative to 2020 for FY 2023 November vs FY 2020 November data.

Who in their right mind thinks those border states can simply absorb a quarter of a million people a month.

Dems can actually do something about it or stop bitching.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Yes.

No, those who make excuses for their failed politics suck. As long as the jobs are here, they will get here.

The Further Aventures of Marta and Jose (as actually believed by pknopp)
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Jose: I talked to El Jefe at the farm. He is willing to let you work there also, now that the kids are in public school. You did sign the papers refusing the free breakfast and lunch and refusing all bilingual or ESL support, right?

Marta: Yes, Papi. The office lady was very surprised, but I explained that we are a proud people, and will not take handouts, or additional benefits other than the jobs we steal from Americanos who would certainly work them. She said, "I'm speaking Spanish to you, because I get paid more for being a bilingual receptionist. Is that not a benefit, also?"

I didn't know how to answer so I ran away in shame.

Jose: Hm . . . she has a point. Turn off Telemundo and turn on the CNN. We must learn to be good speakers of English como Don Le MON. I mean . . . Don Lemmon.

Marta: One thing that frightens me. I have been practicing reading English on the internet forums. There is one poster there who insists that all jobs for illegal aliens must stop. He is very convincing and probably has great influence. What we will we do if we are no longer able to work in this country?

Jose: Only one thing is possible. We will go back to Chiapas and find work there. If we are not working, we would be a burden on the American taxpayer. You know that we are far to proud to do that.

Marta: I suppose . . . but what about our Americanitos, Jorge and Jose Junior? They were born here.

Jose: Yes, and when they are adults, they can return. We are not going to stay and be what the Americans call "moochers." No gracias.

!No vamos a ser vagabundos!

 

[pknopp]

The Further Aventures of Marta and Jose (as actually believed by pknopp)
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Jose: I talked to El Jefe at the farm. He is willing to let you work there also, now that the kids are in public school. You did sign the papers refusing the free breakfast and lunch and refusing all bilingual or ESL support, right?

Marta: Yes, Papi. The office lady was very surprised, but I explained that we are a proud people, and will not take handouts, or additional benefits other than the jobs we steal from Americanos who would certainly work them. She said, "I'm speaking Spanish to you, because I get paid more for being a bilingual receptionist. Is that not a benefit, also?"

I didn't know how to answer so I ran away in shame.

Jose: Hm . . . she has a point. Turn off Telemundo and turn on the CNN. We must learn to be good speakers of English como Don Le MON. I mean . . . Don Lemmon.

Marta: One thing that frightens me. I have been practicing reading English on the internet forums. There is one poster there who insists that all jobs for illegal aliens must stop. He is very convincing and probably has great influence. What we will we do if we are no longer able to work in this country?

Jose: Only one thing is possible. We will go back to Chiapas and find work there. If we are not working, we would be a burden on the American taxpayer. You know that we are far to proud to do that.

Marta: I suppose . . . but what about our Americanitos, Jorge and Jose Junior? They were born here.

Jose: Yes, and when they are adults, they can return. We are not going to stay and be what the Americans call "moochers." No gracias.

!No vamos a ser vagabundos!

I'm not sure what you making up is supposed to prove. There are millions working here illegally and they were attracted here by those jobs.

Not made up.

 

[Blaster]

Democrats have no empathy for the migrants. They only want a group of people to vote Democrat so they can have political power. They could care less about the hard working taxpaying American citizens.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I'm not sure what you making up is supposed to prove. There are millions working here illegally and they were attracted here by those jobs.

Not made up.

Correct.

But, it is absurd to say that they get no benefits, and it is absurd to say that they would not stay for the benefits, along with and other factors if somehow it were even possible to stop them from working once they got here.

They come because the U.S. is a Yuge draw, in jobs, in benefits, and in things we take for granted like walking the corner store and buying a coke. The only way to stop them is to make the U.S. as impoverished as the socialist shitholes they come from.

Keep letting the world walk in at will and that will happen.

Focusing solely on punishing employers would not stop the jobs, and even it did, we would only be eliminating the one value that illegals actually bring to the table, making them another permanent dependency class.

I know you know that, but it's funny that you pretend you don't.

 

[pknopp]

Correct.

But, it is absurd to say that they get no benefits, and it is absurd to say that they would not stay for the benefits, along with and other factors if somehow it were even possible to stop them from working once they got here.

They come because the U.S. is a Yuge draw, in jobs, in benefits, and in things we take for granted like walking the corner store and buying a coke. The only way to stop them is to make the U.S. as impoverished as the socialist shitholes they come from.

Keep letting the world walk in at will and that will happen.

Focusing solely on punishing employers would not stop the jobs, and even it did, we would only be eliminating the one value that illegals actually bring to the table, making them another permanent dependency class.

I know you know that, but it's funny that you pretend you don't.

This gets old.....I never said they get NO benefits. I said what they get is so small they can not survive here without the job.

An issue we refuse to address.

 

[Blaster]

This gets old.....I never said they get NO benefits. I said what they get is so small they can not survive here without the job.

An issue we refuse to address.

Why do illegal migrants deserve any benefits? They should go back to their countries.

 

[pknopp]

Why do illegal migrants deserve any benefits? They should go back to their countries.

I'm all for making sure those processing our food are healthy.

 

[Blaster]

I'm all for making sure those processing our food are healthy.

No shit Sherlock.

 

[Natural Citizen]

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Speaking of hypocritical ...Thanks for providing a better glimpse into the nonsense.
I am pretty sure you are not suggesting we should make it legal to kill any unwanted Foreign Nationals that show up at our Southern Border.

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Indeed...

 

[Seymour Flops]

This gets old.....I never said they get NO benefits. I said what they get is so small they can not survive here without the job.

An issue we refuse to address.

Your backpedaling and refusing to admit you're changing your position never gets old. It's very amusing.

You're not the only Democrat who says "illegals don't get benefits" and expects to go unchallenged. It backfired. You dont want to admit it so you can try again with a less informed poster.

Yes they come for the jobs AND benefits. Since they work under the table the get full benefits while earning untaxed cash.

If they lose their jobs they aren't going back. The get benefits here but they wouldn't in their countries. End jobs and welfare for them and a lot of The pull will be gone.

 

[Burgermeister]

Biden's present to us was over 2.76 million illegal border crossers. That's called an invasion.

Migrant border crossings in fiscal year 2022 topped 2.76 million, breaking previous record

The 2022 numbers were driven in part by increases in the number of Venezuelans, Cubans and Nicaraguans making the trek north.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Burgermeister]

But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction.

1 Timothy 6:9

See the Bidens.

 

[Coyote]

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Speaking of hypocritical ...Thanks for providing a better glimpse into the nonsense.
I am pretty sure you are not suggesting we should make it legal to kill any unwanted Foreign Nationals that show up at our Southern Border.

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No, there is another poster who suggested shooting them.

 

[Coyote]

And I will re-challenge you on that. You either support unlimited immigration, or you support limits on immigrations. What limits do you support?

Limits. I do support that. We currently have limits:

How the United States Immigration System Works - American Immigration Council

A clear guide to U.S. immigration policy and immigration laws—understand the basics of the immigration system.

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

U.S. immigration law is based on the following principles: the reunification of families, admitting immigrants with skills that are valuable to the U.S. economy, protecting refugees, and promoting diversity.

The body of law governing U.S. immigration policy is called the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). The INA allows the United States to grant up to 675,000 permanent immigrant visas each year across various visa categories. On top of those 675,000 visas, the INA sets no limit on the annual admission of U.S. citizens’ spouses, parents, and children under the age of 21. In addition, each year the president is required to consult with Congress and set an annual number of refugees to be admitted to the United States through the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program.

This seems reasonable in terms overall numbers.

The other thing is a lot of immigrants just want to come here to work, not become permanent residents, and the jobs are there. We have visas for seasonal or temporary farm workers but we need to expand it to year round jobs as well These jobs, such as dairy work or shepherding are heavily dependent on migrant labor, usually illegal. Provide enough visas to fill those jobs and then crack down on those still employing illegals.

At what point do we finally tell would-be immigrants that enough is enough, and when we reach that point, how do we enforce our border?

Most of the immigrants at the border apply for as , most don’t meet the qualifications. Opening up more avenues through temporary work visas might reduce some of the pressure on the asylum side. If they are crossing the border illegally and not requesting asylum, they would be deported. For those requesting asylum, the process must be better funded and staffed and expedited.

I am not sure what you mean by telling them enough is enough, the process itself, would do that. Unfortunately, none of it addresses what is pushing so many migrants into taking such dangerous journeys. These people aren’t coming for welfare, they want to work, and do, so what are the drivers?

Please be very specific on that second one. Not something vague like "increased technology." Great. We increase the technology so we can easily spot an incoming border jumper. We catch him. Then what?

That is a tough one, and what we do depends on why the person is doing it wouldn’t you think? If it is asylum, then there is a process. Blacksands pointed out they don’t have to be housed in the US while the process plays out, but they do need to be somewhere safe (and this is where “remain in Mexico” fails).

I find it difficult to be explicit because the question itself is really broad.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Biden's present to us was over 2.76 million illegal border crossers. That's called an invasion.

Migrant border crossings in fiscal year 2022 topped 2.76 million, breaking previous record

The 2022 numbers were driven in part by increases in the number of Venezuelans, Cubans and Nicaraguans making the trek north.

www.nbcnews.com

The border crossers constitute an invasion.

Biden's role in aiding and abetting it is what is called treason. It exactly meets the Constitutional definition of treason, as given in Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution.

 

[pknopp]

Your backpedaling and refusing to admit you're changing your position never gets old. It's very amusing.

You're not the only Democrat who says "illegals don't get benefits" and expects to go unchallenged. It backfired. You dont want to admit it so you can try again with a less informed poster.

Yes they come for the jobs AND benefits. Since they work under the table the get full benefits while earning untaxed cash.

If they lose their jobs they aren't going back. The get benefits here but they wouldn't in their countries. End jobs and welfare for them and a lot of The pull will be gone.

I tried to discuss this but like usual, all it ends up with is lame rants.

 

[pknopp]

See the Bidens.

O.K. and?