Texas denies anchor babies birth certificates

[Jackson]

Where does it say you can come here illegally and have your kid?

that's undoubtedly an illegal act and the parent could be prosecuted and deported
doesn't change that the kid would be a citizen - unless you can point to a part of the 14th amendment that excludes the children of illegal immigrants?

There is no reason why we can't write laws that would exclude them.
Changing the status quo would appear to require a constitutional amendment, a number of legal scholars disagree, concluding that nothing in the plain language of the amendment requires the present, expansive interpretation of birthright citizenship, and noting that the peculiar phrase in Section 1 referring to persons who are “subject to the jurisdiction thereof…” would in fact seem to imply otherwise.

Diplomats aren't subject to our jurisdiction. They could get away with murder because we can't prosecute them. Aliens that are not diplomats do not enjoy that protection because they are under our jurisdiction.

You are absolutely right, Ravie, but why should illegals above everyone else get that protection via having a baby?

What laws do illegals get above everyone else by having a baby? What law says they aren't treated the same as if no baby was involved?

They are protected from deportation although they are still illegal.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Diplomats aren't subject to our jurisdiction. They could get away with murder because we can't prosecute them. Aliens that are not diplomats do not enjoy that protection because they are under our jurisdiction.

Yes and that means we can write laws against illegals who give birth here.
Federal law (not the Constitution) gives citizenship to an estimated minimum 400,000 babies each year who don't have even one parent who is a U.S. citizen or permanent legal immigrant.

No, the constitution gives citizenship. 14th amendment.

Not to law breakers.

Lol, babies aren't lawbreakers.

The parent who came here is.
It's absurd that we accept illegals who come here to give birth.
The 14th was never meant to be for those that are illegal to give birth here.

Wrong.

One is not 'illegal' until found guilty in a court of law of entering the country absent authorization.

And it was indeed the original intent of the Framers of the 14th Amendment to ensure that all persons born in the United States are citizens of the United States, regardless the condition of their parents.

The 14th Amendment rendered void Dred Scott v. Sandford (1957), which held that African-Americans born in the United States were not citizens of the United States because at the time the Constitution was ratified, African-Americans were not considered citizens.

In fact, those hostile to the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment are using the same poor reasoning as the Dred Scott Court, that because the children of undocumented immigrants are not citizens, or otherwise not authorized to enter into the United States, their children should therefore be denied citizenship, as were African-Americans in 1857.

Opposition to the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment also violates the fundamental principle of Anglo-American jurisprudence dating back centuries holding that children may not be made to suffer as a consequence of their parent's misdeeds (Weber v. Aetna Cas. & Surety Co (1972)).

Moreover, the notion of seeking to disadvantage American citizens, the children of undocumented immigrants, by withholding from them their citizenship as guaranteed by the Constitution, solely as a consequence of that errant classification, violates the Due Process Clause and Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.

 

[Jackson]

Yes and that means we can write laws against illegals who give birth here.
Federal law (not the Constitution) gives citizenship to an estimated minimum 400,000 babies each year who don't have even one parent who is a U.S. citizen or permanent legal immigrant.

No, the constitution gives citizenship. 14th amendment.

Not to law breakers.

Lol, babies aren't lawbreakers.

The parent who came here is.
It's absurd that we accept illegals who come here to give birth.
The 14th was never meant to be for those that are illegal to give birth here.

Wrong.

One is not 'illegal' until found guilty in a court of law of entering the country absent authorization.

And it was indeed the original intent of the Framers of the 14th Amendment to ensure that all persons born in the United States are citizens of the United States, regardless the condition of their parents.

The 14th Amendment rendered void Dred Scott v. Sandford (1957), which held that African-Americans born in the United States were not citizens of the United States because at the time the Constitution was ratified, African-Americans were not considered citizens.

In fact, those hostile to the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment are using the same poor reasoning as the Dred Scott Court, that because the children of undocumented immigrants are not citizens, or otherwise not authorized to enter into the United States, their children should therefore be denied citizenship, as were African-Americans in 1857.

Opposition to the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment also violates the fundamental principle of Anglo-American jurisprudence dating back centuries holding that children may not be made to suffer as a consequence of their parent's misdeeds (Weber v. Aetna Cas. & Surety Co (1972)).

Moreover, the notion of seeking to disadvantage American citizens, the children of undocumented immigrants, by withholding from them their citizenship as guaranteed by the Constitution, solely as a consequence of that errant classification, violates the Due Process Clause and Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.

A murderer is not a murderer until the law says he is? Sadam Hussein was not a murderer because a court did not pronounce it even though the murders were done in public sight with witnesses everywhere?

For an illegal, all we have to do is ask for his papers. But, this is America... to court we go!

 

[Ravi]

No, the constitution gives citizenship. 14th amendment.

Not to law breakers.

Lol, babies aren't lawbreakers.

The parent who came here is.
It's absurd that we accept illegals who come here to give birth.
The 14th was never meant to be for those that are illegal to give birth here.

It meant for anyone who was born on us soil, except those with diplomatic immunity, to have U.S. citizenship. The amendment is very clear.

No it isn't clear, this is why we are still having this discussion.

No, we are having it because you, like trump, aren't very bright.

 

[peach174]

Not to law breakers.

Lol, babies aren't lawbreakers.

The parent who came here is.
It's absurd that we accept illegals who come here to give birth.
The 14th was never meant to be for those that are illegal to give birth here.

It meant for anyone who was born on us soil, except those with diplomatic immunity, to have U.S. citizenship. The amendment is very clear.

No it isn't clear, this is why we are still having this discussion.

No, we are having it because you, like trump, aren't very bright.

Then include Sen. Reid in there also.

 

[Ravi]

Lol, babies aren't lawbreakers.

The parent who came here is.
It's absurd that we accept illegals who come here to give birth.
The 14th was never meant to be for those that are illegal to give birth here.

It meant for anyone who was born on us soil, except those with diplomatic immunity, to have U.S. citizenship. The amendment is very clear.

No it isn't clear, this is why we are still having this discussion.

No, we are having it because you, like trump, aren't very bright.

Then include Sen. Reid in there also.

Otay.

 

[peach174]

The parent who came here is.
It's absurd that we accept illegals who come here to give birth.
The 14th was never meant to be for those that are illegal to give birth here.

It meant for anyone who was born on us soil, except those with diplomatic immunity, to have U.S. citizenship. The amendment is very clear.

No it isn't clear, this is why we are still having this discussion.

No, we are having it because you, like trump, aren't very bright.

Then include Sen. Reid in there also.

Otay.

Flashback: Sen. Reid on Birthright Citizenship
In 1993, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) introduced legislation to clarify the scope of the 14th Amendment's Citizenship Clause and to end the practice of granting U.S. citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants.

Specifically, in a section titled "Basis of Citizenship Clarified," Reid's bill explained:

…the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of [Section 1 of the 14th Amendment] and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence within the United States at the moment of birth.[S.1351, Sec. 1001]

 

[PaintMyHouse]

It meant for anyone who was born on us soil, except those with diplomatic immunity, to have U.S. citizenship. The amendment is very clear.

No it isn't clear, this is why we are still having this discussion.

No, we are having it because you, like trump, aren't very bright.

Then include Sen. Reid in there also.

Otay.

Flashback: Sen. Reid on Birthright Citizenship
In 1993, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) introduced legislation to clarify the scope of the 14th Amendment's Citizenship Clause and to end the practice of granting U.S. citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants.

Specifically, in a section titled "Basis of Citizenship Clarified," Reid's bill explained:

…the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of [Section 1 of the 14th Amendment] and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence within the United States at the moment of birth.[S.1351, Sec. 1001]

Good luck with that, especially at the Supreme Court who, without a Constitutional Amendment, gets the final say, and they disagree.

 

[peach174]

No it isn't clear, this is why we are still having this discussion.

No, we are having it because you, like trump, aren't very bright.

Then include Sen. Reid in there also.

Otay.

Flashback: Sen. Reid on Birthright Citizenship
In 1993, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) introduced legislation to clarify the scope of the 14th Amendment's Citizenship Clause and to end the practice of granting U.S. citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants.

Specifically, in a section titled "Basis of Citizenship Clarified," Reid's bill explained:

…the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of [Section 1 of the 14th Amendment] and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence within the United States at the moment of birth.[S.1351, Sec. 1001]

Good luck with that, especially at the Supreme Court who, without a Constitutional Amendment, gets the final say, and they disagree.

Who can tell with the court now days.
Many thought Citizens United would lose also.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

No, we are having it because you, like trump, aren't very bright.

Then include Sen. Reid in there also.

Otay.

Flashback: Sen. Reid on Birthright Citizenship
In 1993, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) introduced legislation to clarify the scope of the 14th Amendment's Citizenship Clause and to end the practice of granting U.S. citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants.

Specifically, in a section titled "Basis of Citizenship Clarified," Reid's bill explained:

…the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of [Section 1 of the 14th Amendment] and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence within the United States at the moment of birth.[S.1351, Sec. 1001]

Good luck with that, especially at the Supreme Court who, without a Constitutional Amendment, gets the final say, and they disagree.

Who can tell with the court now days.
Many thought Citizens United would lose also.

That was a new case, this is an old one. They aren't likely to overturn law settled over 100 years ago.

 

[peach174]

Then include Sen. Reid in there also.

Otay.

Flashback: Sen. Reid on Birthright Citizenship
In 1993, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) introduced legislation to clarify the scope of the 14th Amendment's Citizenship Clause and to end the practice of granting U.S. citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants.

Specifically, in a section titled "Basis of Citizenship Clarified," Reid's bill explained:

…the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of [Section 1 of the 14th Amendment] and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence within the United States at the moment of birth.[S.1351, Sec. 1001]

Good luck with that, especially at the Supreme Court who, without a Constitutional Amendment, gets the final say, and they disagree.

Who can tell with the court now days.
Many thought Citizens United would lose also.

That was a new case, this is an old one. They aren't likely to overturn law settled over 100 years ago.

100 years ago people were controlled coming in through Ellis Island.

 

[NYcarbineer]

No, we are having it because you, like trump, aren't very bright.

Then include Sen. Reid in there also.

Otay.

Flashback: Sen. Reid on Birthright Citizenship
In 1993, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) introduced legislation to clarify the scope of the 14th Amendment's Citizenship Clause and to end the practice of granting U.S. citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants.

Specifically, in a section titled "Basis of Citizenship Clarified," Reid's bill explained:

…the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of [Section 1 of the 14th Amendment] and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence within the United States at the moment of birth.[S.1351, Sec. 1001]

Good luck with that, especially at the Supreme Court who, without a Constitutional Amendment, gets the final say, and they disagree.

Who can tell with the court now days.
Many thought Citizens United would lose also.

Many thought the 14th didn't protect gays too.

 

[peach174]

Then include Sen. Reid in there also.

Otay.

Flashback: Sen. Reid on Birthright Citizenship
In 1993, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) introduced legislation to clarify the scope of the 14th Amendment's Citizenship Clause and to end the practice of granting U.S. citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants.

Specifically, in a section titled "Basis of Citizenship Clarified," Reid's bill explained:

…the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of [Section 1 of the 14th Amendment] and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence within the United States at the moment of birth.[S.1351, Sec. 1001]

Good luck with that, especially at the Supreme Court who, without a Constitutional Amendment, gets the final say, and they disagree.

Who can tell with the court now days.
Many thought Citizens United would lose also.

That was a new case, this is an old one. They aren't likely to overturn law settled over 100 years ago.

If it was settled over 100 years ago, then Sen. Reid should not have introduced his bill in 1993.

 

[NYcarbineer]

that's undoubtedly an illegal act and the parent could be prosecuted and deported
doesn't change that the kid would be a citizen - unless you can point to a part of the 14th amendment that excludes the children of illegal immigrants?

There is no reason why we can't write laws that would exclude them.
Changing the status quo would appear to require a constitutional amendment, a number of legal scholars disagree, concluding that nothing in the plain language of the amendment requires the present, expansive interpretation of birthright citizenship, and noting that the peculiar phrase in Section 1 referring to persons who are “subject to the jurisdiction thereof…” would in fact seem to imply otherwise.

Diplomats aren't subject to our jurisdiction. They could get away with murder because we can't prosecute them. Aliens that are not diplomats do not enjoy that protection because they are under our jurisdiction.

You are absolutely right, Ravie, but why should illegals above everyone else get that protection via having a baby?

What laws do illegals get above everyone else by having a baby? What law says they aren't treated the same as if no baby was involved?

They are protected from deportation although they are still illegal.

No, they are not.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

If it was settled over 100 years ago, then Sen. Reid should not have introduced his bill in 1993.

That's correct...

 

[peach174]

If it was settled over 100 years ago, then Sen. Reid should not have introduced his bill in 1993.

That's correct...

Now you see why people on both sides are fed up with R's and D's.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

If it was settled over 100 years ago, then Sen. Reid should not have introduced his bill in 1993.

That's correct...

Now you see why people on both sides are fed up with R's and D's.

Since "the people" were never meant to rule here, it matters very little.

 

[Flopper]

Texas Denies Birth Certificates to Children of Immigrants

Good job Texas! Leading the nation in common sense once again!

Texas has found a way to create more undocumented immigrants.

 

[Flopper]

Otay.

Flashback: Sen. Reid on Birthright Citizenship
In 1993, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) introduced legislation to clarify the scope of the 14th Amendment's Citizenship Clause and to end the practice of granting U.S. citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants.

Specifically, in a section titled "Basis of Citizenship Clarified," Reid's bill explained:

…the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of [Section 1 of the 14th Amendment] and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence within the United States at the moment of birth.[S.1351, Sec. 1001]

Good luck with that, especially at the Supreme Court who, without a Constitutional Amendment, gets the final say, and they disagree.

Who can tell with the court now days.
Many thought Citizens United would lose also.

That was a new case, this is an old one. They aren't likely to overturn law settled over 100 years ago.

If it was settled over 100 years ago, then Sen. Reid should not have introduced his bill in 1993.

That was 22 years ago.

 

[Ravi]

It meant for anyone who was born on us soil, except those with diplomatic immunity, to have U.S. citizenship. The amendment is very clear.

No it isn't clear, this is why we are still having this discussion.

No, we are having it because you, like trump, aren't very bright.

Then include Sen. Reid in there also.

Otay.

Flashback: Sen. Reid on Birthright Citizenship
In 1993, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) introduced legislation to clarify the scope of the 14th Amendment's Citizenship Clause and to end the practice of granting U.S. citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants.

Specifically, in a section titled "Basis of Citizenship Clarified," Reid's bill explained:

…the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of [Section 1 of the 14th Amendment] and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence within the United States at the moment of birth.[S.1351, Sec. 1001]

Look at that. Another none too bright person.