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Texas Abortion law stands

Stann

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Hee hee. How democrat of you.
Actually I'm an independent, but in the state of Nebraska if you don't register as a Democrat or Republican you don't get to vote on all the issues. So I registered as a Democrat. Simply because the state is mostly Republican, and everything is skewed that way. Strange but true, I think we're the only state that has a unicameral too. ( One house legislature, instead of the two houses. ) Outrageous ideas are always floating around by Republicans thinking they have no limits and acting like they're better than anyone else. It's all a bit sickening. Expanded Medicare just got passed by a vote of the people because the legislature and the governor wouldn't pass it and now they're saying it will take up to 8 years for them to fully implement it. Those families can't wait 8 years, they needed that help years ago. That's how much Republicans care about others.
 

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Actually I'm an independent, but in the state of Nebraska if you don't register as a Democrat or Republican you don't get to vote on all the issues. So I registered as a Democrat. Simply because the state is mostly Republican, and everything is skewed that way. Strange but true, I think we're the only state that has a unicameral too. ( One house legislature, instead of the two houses. ) Outrageous ideas are always floating around by Republicans thinking they have no limits and acting like they're better than anyone else. It's all a bit sickening. Expanded Medicare just got passed by a vote of the people because the legislature and the governor wouldn't pass it and now they're saying it will take up to 8 years for them to fully implement it. Those families can't wait 8 years, they needed that help years ago. That's how much Republicans care about others.
Oh just wanted to add, the Republicans in Nebraska do not allow Independents to join them, the Democrats do so with open arms. They understand the situation.
 

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Oh just wanted to add, the Republicans in Nebraska do not allow Independents to join them, the Democrats do so with open arms. They understand the situation.
Also Omaha is his home district 1 of 3 in the street it voted for Biden in the election. We have split votes, so Nebraska gave 1 vote to Biden and 2 votes to Trump in the last election. Now Republicans here have put forth 2 schemes, in one they divide Omaha's vote in half, matching each half with outlying Republican counties and in case that fails to pass they're planning on endinig the split vote for presidential elections. Now you might understand why I'm not a Republican, they are devious, power hungry sick people who don't care about the public only their party only their candidates the reporting party above the job of serving the people.
 

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Let me ask you a question: Are you familiar with the Dred Scott decision by the Supreme Court, some 160 years ago? It was a terrible judicial ruling, don't you think? And it was eventually overturned, right? Should we not as a people re-examine previous legal findings such as that one? If so, then who is to say what laws should be challenged and what laws not challenged? The answer to that question in our judicial system is the Supreme court itself, they review cases brought before them and decide which have merit or standing, right? I do not see a blatant disregard for the current law that you do (Roe v Wade), that is in fact what legislatures and Congress is supposed to do, create laws that may or may not follow previous rulings. Some people believe that a disregard for the Dred Scott decision was justified, and some people also believe the Row v Wade decision was a bad decision too, where an individual right was created without any real basis in the Constitution.

Obviously the Supreme Court did not agree with your assessment that the Texas law was criminal in nature, otherwise they would have allowed the stay of that law to remain in force. But they didn't do that, did they? It is after all now a conservative court, and one can easily see how political everything is these days, including the SCOTUS. But the Supreme court in 1973 that issued the Roe v Wade decision was decidedly liberal, and there are many who believed then and now that that decision was politically motivated. In any case, throwing words around concerning criminality is bullshit, just because someone else has a different opinion than yours does not make them a criminal for trying to change a bad law. Politicians do what politicians do, and generally they don't do stuff that their own constituencies don't like, cuz then they get voted out of office. Laws can change when the next Texas legislature is elected and convenes in 2023.
All the Supreme Court did was to allow private citizens to sue. That doesn't mean such lawsuits will be upheld as constitutional once defendants begin challenging being sued over an abortion which the Constitution allows.
 

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All the Supreme Court did was to allow private citizens to sue. That doesn't mean such lawsuits will be upheld as constitutional once defendants begin challenging being sued over an abortion which the Constitution allows.
How can you sue someone over something that doesn't involve you, all these cases should be thrown out on that basis alone. The creators of the law should be charged with treason, encouraging Americans to spy on other Americans is not an American value, it's the betrayal of everything we stand for.
 

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How can you sue someone over something that doesn't involve you, all these cases should be thrown out on that basis alone. The creators of the law should be charged with treason, encouraging Americans to spy on other Americans is not an American value, it's the betrayal of everything we stand for.
There are many flaws with that law. I don't see a single lawsuit stemming from it holding up.
 

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In yet more late-night happenings, most of the conservative contingent of the Supreme Court let the Texas abortion ban stand just before midnight Wednesday.

The law went into effect early Wednesday morning, which has now left the second largest state in the country with virtually no access to legal abortions. The law bans abortions after six weeks of pregnancy, before many people even know that they’re pregnant.
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The Texas law was crafted purposefully to make lawsuits difficult, as the law will be carried out by individual vigilantes and not state officials — therefore leaving no clear person to sue, at least before an individual has brought a suit against anyone “aiding or abetting” a post-six week abortion. The conservatives clung to that as rationale for denying the injunction.

Chief Justice John Roberts and the three liberal justices all wrote individual dissents.

“The court’s order is stunning,” Justice Sonia Sotomayor wrote scathingly. “Presented with an application to enjoin a flagrantly unconstitutional law engineered to prohibit women from exercising their constitutional rights and evade judicial scrutiny, a majority of justices have opted to bury their heads in the sand.”



First of all, I do not believe abortion is a constitutional right. Roe v Wade is widely seen as a decision by a liberal SCOTUS that stretches the right to privacy quite a bit. One day maybe this court will face that issue head on, is abortion a constitutional right or isn't it? The other thing is, should this be a federal decision or should it be up to the states to determine their own rules. I think I need to study the thinking about federalism a little more, IMHO the federal gov't shouldn't be making laws that the state and local gov'ts can and should decide for themselves.

"We just want the government out of our lives" some right wing dude.
 

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Abortions end life. Rape breaks a heart for life, but the victim can find comfort from family members, because in this state, families will do all they can to help their loved ones get love and support. We still have more loving people in Texas than anywhere else on earth.
And if the rapist is a family member?
 

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Men also make the choice to have sex. Holy shit you’re stupid.
Yep. In fact I think they are focusing on the wrong part of the problem. After all, a woman could have sex a hundred times in a year and only get pregnant once. A man could have sex a hundred times in a year and cause 100 pregnancies.
 

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The penalty for aborting a baby created by rape is greater than the penalty for committing rape.

That is Texas for you in a nutshell.
Texass, where a virus has reproductive rights but a woman doesn't.
 

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