Texans To Become Lab Rats for "Good Guy with a Gun" Theory

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.

I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law
Measure makes the state the most populous to allow the practice

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law

Updated Dec. 26, 2015 11:56 a.m. ET
155 COMMENTS
DALLAS—The owners of Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen are old hands at confronting the typical challenges of a burgeoning restaurant business—hiring, competition, even developing a “gluten guide.” But recently the Tex-Mex chain has been facing an unusual dilemma: whether to allow customers to openly display their guns while munching fajitas.

Come Jan. 1, licensed firearms owners in Texas will be able to openly carry a handgun in most places. A law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year will make Texas the most populous state in the U.S. to allow the practice, known as “open carry.”

Existing Texas law requires licensed gun owners to conceal their handguns so they aren’t in plain view. The new law will allow them to carry handguns openly, in belt or shoulder holsters.

But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed.

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

 

[dannyboys]

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.

I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law
Measure makes the state the most populous to allow the practice

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law

Updated Dec. 26, 2015 11:56 a.m. ET
155 COMMENTS
DALLAS—The owners of Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen are old hands at confronting the typical challenges of a burgeoning restaurant business—hiring, competition, even developing a “gluten guide.” But recently the Tex-Mex chain has been facing an unusual dilemma: whether to allow customers to openly display their guns while munching fajitas.

Come Jan. 1, licensed firearms owners in Texas will be able to openly carry a handgun in most places. A law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year will make Texas the most populous state in the U.S. to allow the practice, known as “open carry.”

Existing Texas law requires licensed gun owners to conceal their handguns so they aren’t in plain view. The new law will allow them to carry handguns openly, in belt or shoulder holsters.

But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed.

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

Do you have a point?
One small restaurant chain has decided to not allow open carry. So fucking what?
What are you going to claim when the Texas open carry law passes and the gun murder rate committed by legal gun owners goes down or doesn't change?
Open Carry doesn't affect normal sane legal gun owners.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

One of many reasons why concealed carry is best.

I'd continue to conceal carry even if my state were to allow open carry; it affords me more and better options with regard to self-defense.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.

I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law
Measure makes the state the most populous to allow the practice

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law

Updated Dec. 26, 2015 11:56 a.m. ET
155 COMMENTS
DALLAS—The owners of Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen are old hands at confronting the typical challenges of a burgeoning restaurant business—hiring, competition, even developing a “gluten guide.” But recently the Tex-Mex chain has been facing an unusual dilemma: whether to allow customers to openly display their guns while munching fajitas.

Come Jan. 1, licensed firearms owners in Texas will be able to openly carry a handgun in most places. A law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year will make Texas the most populous state in the U.S. to allow the practice, known as “open carry.”

Existing Texas law requires licensed gun owners to conceal their handguns so they aren’t in plain view. The new law will allow them to carry handguns openly, in belt or shoulder holsters.

But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed.

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

Do you have a point?
One small restaurant chain has decided to not allow open carry. So fucking what?
What are you going to claim when the Texas open carry law passes and the gun murder rate committed by legal gun owners goes down or doesn't change?
Open Carry doesn't affect normal sane legal gun owners.

Just takes one abnormal, insane legal gun owner in a public place to ruin many, many lives.

I think it's a bad idea, and I know many gun-owning Houstonians who think it's a bad idea, too.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

One of many reasons why concealed carry is best.

I'd continue to conceal carry even if my state were to allow open carry; it affords me more and better options with regard to self-defense.

Yup, the optics are not good. Why do people need to look threatening in a public place? It's an offensive posture, not a defensive one.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed."

And this could be problematic, to say the least.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

"But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed."

And this could be problematic, to say the least.

If a biz bans open carry just conceal it. It's hilarious people are next to people carrying all the time and have no clue

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

One of many reasons why concealed carry is best.

I'd continue to conceal carry even if my state were to allow open carry; it affords me more and better options with regard to self-defense.

Yup, the optics are not good. Why do people need to look threatening in a public place? It's an offensive posture, not a defensive one.

For some it's just a silly desire to 'show off.'

Open carry can be more comfortable than concealed, and affords citizens more options as to what to carry.

But for government to make it a provision of law that a private business owner can refuse service to someone who open carries is troubling and inconsistent; it undermines the reason for allowing open carry in the first place, making it needlessly complicated for citizens to carry firearms.

Citizens would be compelled to switch from open carry to concealed and back again, depending on the venue patronized; it's a needless burden to carrying a firearm.

And the appropriateness of government placing the responsibility of 'enforcing' a provision of the law on business owners is likewise troubling, turning away customers or asking customers to leave because they refuse to disarm or conceal their firearms can place businesses owners in an awkward, untenable position.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed."

And this could be problematic, to say the least.

If a biz bans open carry just conceal it. It's hilarious people are next to people carrying all the time and have no clue

This misses the point.

Those who wish to open carry do so because they want to open carry – not carry concealed; otherwise, see post 8.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

One of many reasons why concealed carry is best.

I'd continue to conceal carry even if my state were to allow open carry; it affords me more and better options with regard to self-defense.

Yup, the optics are not good. Why do people need to look threatening in a public place? It's an offensive posture, not a defensive one.

If you had a clue you'd already know that the vast majority of people will continue to conceal carry and this really does nothing but stop the cops from screwing with you if you accidentally display your handgun.
And I'm assuming you understand that this law only applies to CHL holders.

 

[williepete]

Texas will hardly be a lab experiment. More like joining the majority of states with open carry options. Sheesh.

Map: Where Is ‘Open Carry’ Legal?




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[SassyIrishLass]

"But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed."

And this could be problematic, to say the least.

If a biz bans open carry just conceal it. It's hilarious people are next to people carrying all the time and have no clue

This misses the point.

Those who wish to open carry do so because they want to open carry – not carry concealed; otherwise, see post 8.

It addressed your point of businesses banning open carry

 

[Iceweasel]

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.

I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law
Measure makes the state the most populous to allow the practice

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law

Updated Dec. 26, 2015 11:56 a.m. ET
155 COMMENTS
DALLAS—The owners of Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen are old hands at confronting the typical challenges of a burgeoning restaurant business—hiring, competition, even developing a “gluten guide.” But recently the Tex-Mex chain has been facing an unusual dilemma: whether to allow customers to openly display their guns while munching fajitas.

Come Jan. 1, licensed firearms owners in Texas will be able to openly carry a handgun in most places. A law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year will make Texas the most populous state in the U.S. to allow the practice, known as “open carry.”

Existing Texas law requires licensed gun owners to conceal their handguns so they aren’t in plain view. The new law will allow them to carry handguns openly, in belt or shoulder holsters.

But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed.

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

This is an open carry state and we have no problems. I don't know of a state where it is a problem. What's with your never ending dire warnings and hysteria?

 

[2aguy]

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.

I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law
Measure makes the state the most populous to allow the practice

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law

Updated Dec. 26, 2015 11:56 a.m. ET
155 COMMENTS
DALLAS—The owners of Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen are old hands at confronting the typical challenges of a burgeoning restaurant business—hiring, competition, even developing a “gluten guide.” But recently the Tex-Mex chain has been facing an unusual dilemma: whether to allow customers to openly display their guns while munching fajitas.

Come Jan. 1, licensed firearms owners in Texas will be able to openly carry a handgun in most places. A law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year will make Texas the most populous state in the U.S. to allow the practice, known as “open carry.”

Existing Texas law requires licensed gun owners to conceal their handguns so they aren’t in plain view. The new law will allow them to carry handguns openly, in belt or shoulder holsters.

But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed.

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

You know...you guys always predicted more violence if you let normal, law abiding gun owners carry their guns....the people who do not commit crimes or use their guns to shoot people....

And every, single, time....you are wrong.....

Texas isn't the first place to do this genius.....they Did it in Virginia...in bars, that serve alcohol...and you nutters said the same freaking things....

And what happened.......violence in bars in Virginia dropped......

Allowing guns into bars has ‘surprising’ result



When Virginia passed a law allowing concealed carry in bars and alcohol-serving restaurants beginning July 1 of last year, opponents of the change decried the dangers of mixing guns and alcohol, for fear violent crimes would escalate.

But one year later, the Richmond Times-Dispatch did a study to see if the gloomy prognostications came true.

According to state police records, not only did gun violence in bars and restaurants not increase under the new law, it decreased by 5.2 percent.

In fact, of the 145 reported crimes with guns that occurred in Virginia bars and restaurants in fiscal 2010-11 (compared to 153 incidents in the year before the new law took effect), only two of the aggravated assault cases were related to concealed-carry permit holders. In one incident, the crime took place at a restaurant that didn’t serve alcohol – thus unrelated to the new law – and in the other, the weapon was neither discharged nor withdrawn from its holster.

“The numbers basically just confirm what we’ve said would happen if the General Assembly changed the law,” Philip Van Cleave, president of the pro-gun Virginia Citizens Defense League, told the Times-Dispatch. “Keep in mind what the other side was saying – that this was going to be a blood bath, that restaurants will be dangerous and people will stop going. But there was nothing to base the fear-mongering on.”


Read more at Allowing guns into bars has ‘surprising’ result

 

[westwall]

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.

I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law
Measure makes the state the most populous to allow the practice

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law

Updated Dec. 26, 2015 11:56 a.m. ET
155 COMMENTS
DALLAS—The owners of Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen are old hands at confronting the typical challenges of a burgeoning restaurant business—hiring, competition, even developing a “gluten guide.” But recently the Tex-Mex chain has been facing an unusual dilemma: whether to allow customers to openly display their guns while munching fajitas.

Come Jan. 1, licensed firearms owners in Texas will be able to openly carry a handgun in most places. A law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year will make Texas the most populous state in the U.S. to allow the practice, known as “open carry.”

Existing Texas law requires licensed gun owners to conceal their handguns so they aren’t in plain view. The new law will allow them to carry handguns openly, in belt or shoulder holsters.

But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed.

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

Good guys with guns have been lowering the crime rate in all of those counties that have shall issue CCW laws. Nevada (the State that I live in) has had open carry laws FOREVER. Guess what the crime rate hasn't skyrocketed.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

"But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed."

And this could be problematic, to say the least.

If a biz bans open carry just conceal it. It's hilarious people are next to people carrying all the time and have no clue

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.

I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law
Measure makes the state the most populous to allow the practice

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law

Updated Dec. 26, 2015 11:56 a.m. ET
155 COMMENTS
DALLAS—The owners of Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen are old hands at confronting the typical challenges of a burgeoning restaurant business—hiring, competition, even developing a “gluten guide.” But recently the Tex-Mex chain has been facing an unusual dilemma: whether to allow customers to openly display their guns while munching fajitas.

Come Jan. 1, licensed firearms owners in Texas will be able to openly carry a handgun in most places. A law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year will make Texas the most populous state in the U.S. to allow the practice, known as “open carry.”

Existing Texas law requires licensed gun owners to conceal their handguns so they aren’t in plain view. The new law will allow them to carry handguns openly, in belt or shoulder holsters.

But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed.

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

This is an open carry state and we have no problems. I don't know of a state where it is a problem. What's with your never ending dire warnings and hysteria?

Read the tag line, and if you are seeing hysteria, then don't even bother to read the rest.

 

[2aguy]

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.

I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law
Measure makes the state the most populous to allow the practice

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law

Updated Dec. 26, 2015 11:56 a.m. ET
155 COMMENTS
DALLAS—The owners of Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen are old hands at confronting the typical challenges of a burgeoning restaurant business—hiring, competition, even developing a “gluten guide.” But recently the Tex-Mex chain has been facing an unusual dilemma: whether to allow customers to openly display their guns while munching fajitas.

Come Jan. 1, licensed firearms owners in Texas will be able to openly carry a handgun in most places. A law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year will make Texas the most populous state in the U.S. to allow the practice, known as “open carry.”

Existing Texas law requires licensed gun owners to conceal their handguns so they aren’t in plain view. The new law will allow them to carry handguns openly, in belt or shoulder holsters.

But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed.

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

Do you have a point?
One small restaurant chain has decided to not allow open carry. So fucking what?
What are you going to claim when the Texas open carry law passes and the gun murder rate committed by legal gun owners goes down or doesn't change?
Open Carry doesn't affect normal sane legal gun owners.

Just takes one abnormal, insane legal gun owner in a public place to ruin many, many lives.

I think it's a bad idea, and I know many gun-owning Houstonians who think it's a bad idea, too.

Do you understand how dumb your this post is.......the abnormal, insane killer.....is already shooting up places despite the gun free zone laws....the only people who can't carry guns in many public places are the ones not shooting people.........

An abnormal, insane person is going to ruin lives no matter what law you make.......especially if you make a place a gun free zone.....

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.

I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law
Measure makes the state the most populous to allow the practice

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law

Updated Dec. 26, 2015 11:56 a.m. ET
155 COMMENTS
DALLAS—The owners of Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen are old hands at confronting the typical challenges of a burgeoning restaurant business—hiring, competition, even developing a “gluten guide.” But recently the Tex-Mex chain has been facing an unusual dilemma: whether to allow customers to openly display their guns while munching fajitas.

Come Jan. 1, licensed firearms owners in Texas will be able to openly carry a handgun in most places. A law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year will make Texas the most populous state in the U.S. to allow the practice, known as “open carry.”

Existing Texas law requires licensed gun owners to conceal their handguns so they aren’t in plain view. The new law will allow them to carry handguns openly, in belt or shoulder holsters.

But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed.

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

Good guys with guns have been lowering the crime rate in all of those counties that have shall issue CCW laws. Nevada (the State that I live in) has had open carry laws FOREVER. Guess what the crime rate hasn't skyrocketed.

The stories of a civilian shooting a predator or suspect in the act of committing a crime are few and far between. Very rare. Hen's teeth.

 

[2aguy]

What the anti gunners are afraid of is that people who don't think about the gun issue will see normal people carrying guns, and not shooting people....and they will learn that normal, law abiding people who carry guns for self defense are not a threat......and there is no need to fear them......

And that is what the anti gunners are afraid of....they need people to be afraid of guns......

 

[2aguy]

OK, Wayne (Lapierre), here's your big chance to prove your theory about good guys with guns in a state more heavily and densely populated than NoDak or Wyoming.

I truly hope the restaurants and establishments serving liquor take it upon themselves to ban open carry guns from their respective establishments.

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law
Measure makes the state the most populous to allow the practice

Texas Gears Up for New Open-Carry Handgun Law

Updated Dec. 26, 2015 11:56 a.m. ET
155 COMMENTS
DALLAS—The owners of Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen are old hands at confronting the typical challenges of a burgeoning restaurant business—hiring, competition, even developing a “gluten guide.” But recently the Tex-Mex chain has been facing an unusual dilemma: whether to allow customers to openly display their guns while munching fajitas.

Come Jan. 1, licensed firearms owners in Texas will be able to openly carry a handgun in most places. A law signed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year will make Texas the most populous state in the U.S. to allow the practice, known as “open carry.”

Existing Texas law requires licensed gun owners to conceal their handguns so they aren’t in plain view. The new law will allow them to carry handguns openly, in belt or shoulder holsters.

But private businesses and other establishments have the right to ban open carry under the law, and many have been wrestling with how to proceed.

“We’re primarily a family environment in terms of our restaurant. And so we decided it’s probably best not to allow open carry,” said Al Flores, counsel for Gringo’s, which has 14 restaurants, mainly in the Houston area and surrounding counties. “We just felt that knowing our customers, allowing someone to walk in openly carrying a weapon, it would make them feel a little uncomfortable.”

Good guys with guns have been lowering the crime rate in all of those counties that have shall issue CCW laws. Nevada (the State that I live in) has had open carry laws FOREVER. Guess what the crime rate hasn't skyrocketed.

The stories of a civilian shooting a predator or suspect in the act of committing a crime are few and far between. Very rare. Hen's teeth.

Do you know why......because people like you have used the power of the state to make almost every public space we have into gun free zones for the good guys......law abiding gun owners who could carry a gun, will not carry their gun into a legally mandated gun free zone.....

So when a mass shooter targets a gun free zone to murder people....there are no law abiding, normal gun owners with guns around...because you made it legally impossible..............

And then you have those cases where a really stupid mass shooter actually targets a place where normal people can carry guns......and the normal gun owners stop them before they kill a whole bunch of people.....

So those deaths are on you.....not the normal gun owners you disarm.