JoeB131
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don't make claims if you can't back them up. I posted a link to FOX NEWS that said that Terri hadn't been abused and her brain had shrivelled to half the size of a normal human brain.
Terri Schiavo's Husband: Jeb Bush 'Put Me Through Hell'
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don't make claims if you can't back them up. I posted a link to FOX NEWS that said that Terri hadn't been abused and her brain had shrivelled to half the size of a normal human brain.
Wyatt earp
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Holy ******* shit !!!!!
What is this crap?
The killer is strong in you *****
BlueGin
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And I am quoting things from the actual court documents. I can make any claims from them I choose.
See ...I actually read them. You didn't.
JoeB131
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I don't feel sorry for him. I would even go so far to say that what he SHOULD have done is sign over power of attorney to her family and gave them half the settlement.
Legally, however, he was in the right. Scientifically, he was in the right.
JoeB131
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Can you address the point without emotionalism?
We have the scientific tools to eliminate horrible diseases today. Why not use them? Because a magic fairy in the sky said not to?
JoeB131
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court documents are just people talking.
The DECISIONS were the important thing, and the decisions, all the way up to SCOTUS was that Jeb was in the wrong here.
ChrisL
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Because a mere human should not be able to decide who's life is worthless.
BlueGin
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He created her condition from start to finish. He was in the right about nothing.
JoeB131
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Fetuses aren't people. N either are genetic screenings.
thanatos144
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If it is ill , infirm ,defeless or innocent liberals want it dead
JoeB131
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except no one ever charged him with "creating" her condition. Unless he fat-shamed her into going on to a crash diet. And I don't think anyone was even claiming that to my knowledge.
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That would mean leaving it up to chance, a very poor and childish idea. We play god here to save life so there's no reason we can't play god to keep sick babies from being created or born. If you don't like the human condition, don't take part in it but we are the little gods here, whether you like it or not.
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Fr. Frank Pavone
National Director, Priests for Life
President, National Pro-life Religious Council
I spent the night of March 30, 2005 in a Florida hospice. I was at the bedside of Terri Schiavo during the last 14 hours of her earthly life, right up until five minutes before her death. During that time with Terri, joined by her brother and sister, I expressed your care, concern, and prayers. I told Terri over and over that she had many friends around the country, many people who were praying for her and were on her side. I had also told her the same things during my visits to her in the months before her feeding tube was removed, and am convinced she understood.I've known Terri's family since 1999. They put my name on the short, court-approved list of people who could visit Terri’s room, which had police officers stationed outside of it. If I were not on that visitor's list I could not get in that room beyond the armed guard. Why not? The euthanasia advocates had to be able to say that Terri was an unresponsive person in some kind of vegetative state, coma or whatever terminology they want to use to suggest that she was completely unresponsive. The only way to prove she was responsive was to see her for yourself.
I went to see her in September 2004 and again in February 2005. When her mom first introduced her to me, she stared at me intently. She focused her eyes. She would focus her eyes on whoever was talking to her. If somebody spoke to her from the other part of the room she would turn her head and her eyes towards the person who was talking to her.
Some of the doctors dared to say, "Oh, it's just unconscious reflex reactions." Interestingly, that's exactly the same thing abortion supporters say about the unborn child in the video The Silent Scream when the child opens his mouth and tries to move away from the instrument that is about to destroy him. They say, "Oh, that's just an automatic reflex." That's the phrase they always use to dehumanize a person.
I told Terri she had many people around the country and around the world who loved her and were praying for her. She looked at me attentively. I said, "Terri now we are going to pray together, I want to give you a blessing, let's say some prayers." So I laid my hand on her head. She closed her eyes. I said the prayer. She opened her eyes again at the end of the prayer. Her dad, who has a mustache, leaned over to kiss her and said, "OK Terri now here comes the tickle." She smiled and laughed and after he kissed her I saw her return the kiss. Her mom asked her a question at a certain point and I heard her voice. She was trying to respond. She was making sounds in response to her mother's question, not just at odd times and meaningless moments. I heard her trying to say something but she was not, because of her disability, able to articulate the words. She was certainly responsive.
The night before she died, I was in her room for probably a total of 3-4 hours, and then for another hour the next morning -- her final hour. To describe the way she looked as “peaceful” is a total distortion of what I saw. She was a person who for thirteen days had no food or water. She was, as you would expect, very drawn in her appearance as opposed to when I had seen her before. Her eyes were open but they were moving from one side to the next, constantly darting back and forth. I watched her for hours, and the best way I can describe the look on her face is “terrified sadness.”
Her mouth was open the whole time. It looked like it was frozen open. She was panting rapidly. It wasn't peaceful in any sense of the word. She was panting as if she had just run a hundred miles. It was a shallow panting. Her brother Bobby was sitting on one side of the bed I was on the other facing him. Terri's head in between us and her sister Suzanne was on my left. We sat there and we had a very intense time of prayer. And we were talking to Terri, urging her to entrust herself completely to the Savior. I assured her repeatedly of the love and prayers and concern of so many people.
We held her hand and stroked her head. During those hours, one of the things I did was to chant, in Latin, some of the most ancient hymns of the Church. One of the chants I used was the "Victimae Paschali Laudis," which is the ancient proclamation of the resurrection of Christ. There, as I saw before my eyes the deadly work of the Culture of Death, I proclaimed the victory of life. "Life and death were locked in a wondrous struggle," the hymn declares. "Life's Captain died, but now lives and reigns forevermore!"
More at link. Terri s Final Hours An Eyewitness Account - by Fr. Frank Pavone
National Director, Priests for Life
President, National Pro-life Religious Council
I spent the night of March 30, 2005 in a Florida hospice. I was at the bedside of Terri Schiavo during the last 14 hours of her earthly life, right up until five minutes before her death. During that time with Terri, joined by her brother and sister, I expressed your care, concern, and prayers. I told Terri over and over that she had many friends around the country, many people who were praying for her and were on her side. I had also told her the same things during my visits to her in the months before her feeding tube was removed, and am convinced she understood.I've known Terri's family since 1999. They put my name on the short, court-approved list of people who could visit Terri’s room, which had police officers stationed outside of it. If I were not on that visitor's list I could not get in that room beyond the armed guard. Why not? The euthanasia advocates had to be able to say that Terri was an unresponsive person in some kind of vegetative state, coma or whatever terminology they want to use to suggest that she was completely unresponsive. The only way to prove she was responsive was to see her for yourself.
I went to see her in September 2004 and again in February 2005. When her mom first introduced her to me, she stared at me intently. She focused her eyes. She would focus her eyes on whoever was talking to her. If somebody spoke to her from the other part of the room she would turn her head and her eyes towards the person who was talking to her.
Some of the doctors dared to say, "Oh, it's just unconscious reflex reactions." Interestingly, that's exactly the same thing abortion supporters say about the unborn child in the video The Silent Scream when the child opens his mouth and tries to move away from the instrument that is about to destroy him. They say, "Oh, that's just an automatic reflex." That's the phrase they always use to dehumanize a person.
I told Terri she had many people around the country and around the world who loved her and were praying for her. She looked at me attentively. I said, "Terri now we are going to pray together, I want to give you a blessing, let's say some prayers." So I laid my hand on her head. She closed her eyes. I said the prayer. She opened her eyes again at the end of the prayer. Her dad, who has a mustache, leaned over to kiss her and said, "OK Terri now here comes the tickle." She smiled and laughed and after he kissed her I saw her return the kiss. Her mom asked her a question at a certain point and I heard her voice. She was trying to respond. She was making sounds in response to her mother's question, not just at odd times and meaningless moments. I heard her trying to say something but she was not, because of her disability, able to articulate the words. She was certainly responsive.
The night before she died, I was in her room for probably a total of 3-4 hours, and then for another hour the next morning -- her final hour. To describe the way she looked as “peaceful” is a total distortion of what I saw. She was a person who for thirteen days had no food or water. She was, as you would expect, very drawn in her appearance as opposed to when I had seen her before. Her eyes were open but they were moving from one side to the next, constantly darting back and forth. I watched her for hours, and the best way I can describe the look on her face is “terrified sadness.”
Her mouth was open the whole time. It looked like it was frozen open. She was panting rapidly. It wasn't peaceful in any sense of the word. She was panting as if she had just run a hundred miles. It was a shallow panting. Her brother Bobby was sitting on one side of the bed I was on the other facing him. Terri's head in between us and her sister Suzanne was on my left. We sat there and we had a very intense time of prayer. And we were talking to Terri, urging her to entrust herself completely to the Savior. I assured her repeatedly of the love and prayers and concern of so many people.
We held her hand and stroked her head. During those hours, one of the things I did was to chant, in Latin, some of the most ancient hymns of the Church. One of the chants I used was the "Victimae Paschali Laudis," which is the ancient proclamation of the resurrection of Christ. There, as I saw before my eyes the deadly work of the Culture of Death, I proclaimed the victory of life. "Life and death were locked in a wondrous struggle," the hymn declares. "Life's Captain died, but now lives and reigns forevermore!"
More at link. Terri s Final Hours An Eyewitness Account - by Fr. Frank Pavone
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Wrong again. Why do you think it went to a higher court after rulings went against Michaels wishes?
It's an issue in the Republican primary. That sounds like an intra-party squabble.
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Your knowledge is wrong. Her parents and friends testified to that in court.
saintmichaeldefendthem
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There are many husbands who make that sacrifice, and with wives that aren't even in a coma or PVS. Some have chronic medical conditions, cancer, and then there's the last 3 months of any pregnancy where sex just isn't happening. (believe me!) Marriage vows don't have an asterisk. My wife knows that I'll never leave her, never cheat on her, and never violate my vows to her no matter what happens to her. Even if, heaven forbid, she ends up in a coma, I will remain always faithful.
That's called marriage.
Yes, it was, it was pathetic.
saintmichaeldefendthem
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That's why the Left fought so hard to kill Terri, because the demonic eugenics agenda is behind it all. It's why they hated Sarah Palin for having a down syndrome child instead of doing the "right" thing. When all is said and done, the Left just wants to kill people.
It wasn't an "affair," his wife was already dead, her body just didn't know it.
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