Tennessee Seeks tonBar Same Sex Marriage

[bodecea]

It's not about morality or religion , it's about due process and equal protection under the law. You people can't seem to understand that granting rights to others does not detract from your rights.

How about the Right of bakers in Oregon NOT to participate in Gay Marriage? Or county clerks in Kentucky? The right to free practice of religion is enshrined in the Constitution, the right to take it up the ass is not.

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A person in business must follow the laws regulating business. A public official must do his/her job of serving the public. Your opinion of someone else's sexual practices means absolutely nothing. I would not dare to discuss, say, whether karen pence gives BJs to mikey.

Homosexuality violates people's religion. That's the problem. I can't force a Jihadi Butcher to sell me bacon or butcher a hog either.
He's entitled to his Heathenistic beliefs, just as the Oregon bakers are entitled to follow their Christian beliefs.

So...you are so confused that you think this is about forcing businesses to provide you with products they don't sell in the first place? Let me guess....you voted for trump.....

The Oregon Bakers were asked to provide a Gay Wedding Cake- a product they do not make. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the business,but there are any number of "Adult bakers" across the country that will bake a cake in the shape of any body part you can think of, or portraying anything, really.

They make wedding cakes...in fact the wife was on board...it was the husband who went ballistic and then doxxed the gay couple on Facebook, etc.

 

[bodecea]

Obergefell did not overstep any bounds of constitutionality. Please review the 14th Amendment.
Outside of any constitutional argument, just what is your beef? The question of legal marriage is a CIVIL matter. Now, LGBTs can get married under CIVIL law and enjoy the LEGAL benefits of doing so.
Please recognize the difference between CIVIL LAW and the rules of whatever religion you have freely chosen to follow. Being legally married is under our U.S. civil law.
What being married means to you, under your chosen religion or ideology is up to you.
One of my uncles married a woman and had one child with her, my cousin. They divorced, and he married another, and had three children with her. They were never married in the Catholic Churrch with full ceremony, but they were married under civil law.
Marriage under civil U.S. law is so different than the concept of marriage that exists in the religious law that you choose to follow.

The issue is the creation of rights because people feel like it over sound principles. The 14th amendment isn't an open book that allows anything under "equal" to be inserted into it.

The issue is marriage contracts have always been the responsibility of the States. Using the courts to all of a sudden say a new concept such as SSM is now somehow a right is an end run around the constitution on dubious legal grounds. Obergfell would have been on much more sound legal footing if all they did was say even if a State doesn't want to issue SSM licenses, they had to recognize SSM licenses issued by other States (that passed it legislatively) under full faith and credit.

And your protestations about letting people be and do what they want falls hollow considering you are one of the "BAKE THAT ******* CAKE PEASANT" mafia members.

We all know your true goal is forcing acceptance as opposed to tolerance, and you will use government as a bludgeon to do it.

Also, I always find it comical when progressive thugs like you read into amendments to three of four layers to get what you want while ignoring the 2nd amendment's blunt assurance of the people's right to keep and bear arms. Of course expecting honestly and fairness out of a progressive hack like you is asking too much.

Equal treatment under the law stands under the 14th Amendment.
Once a right is established, it is established for all.
I am not a "thug."
Laws created only to please adherents of a particular ideology are not acceptable in the United States.
"Mafia members"? What is a "mafia member" to stand up for our public-public-accommodation laws and insist that they be followed as a condition of being licensed to do business in our communities?
Since the Muslim term "sharia 'law" has now become to stand for "religious law" in general, to which form of sharia law do you adhere? You seem to be in agreement that a state in the United States of America should be entitled to enforce some form of sharia law on its citizens.
CIVIL LAW is very different than the law that you accept when you choose a religion. Remember that choosing a religion is choosing a lifestyle. From your post, it appears that you have chosen, freely, a lifestyle that involves some mixture of the "Christian faith," guns, and hatred of LGBTs. It is a bizarre cult..

The 14th amendment isn't some open ended thing that allows progressive hacks like you to force other people to accept your morality.

Yet you support laws that appease your moral codes, and **** everyone else, right? Progressivism is more of a religion these days anyway.

How is a baker asking someone to please go to another baker for one specific item "Sharia Law"?

It's not about morality or religion , it's about due process and equal protection under the law. You people can't seem to understand that granting rights to others does not detract from your rights.

You totally evaded the sum and substance of his post, either that or you did not understand it.... or perhaps its over your head ? - Quite probable that it's over your head ... given your intellectual caliber one would have to assume that Sesame Street is more your level .... so lets do it this way ... why should big bird have to bake cookies for the cookie monster when all the cookie monster really wants is to **** big bird up the ass ... does that simplify things for you ?

I see another homo-voyeur is here.

 

[Polishprince]

How about the Right of bakers in Oregon NOT to participate in Gay Marriage? Or county clerks in Kentucky? The right to free practice of religion is enshrined in the Constitution, the right to take it up the ass is not.

.
A person in business must follow the laws regulating business. A public official must do his/her job of serving the public. Your opinion of someone else's sexual practices means absolutely nothing. I would not dare to discuss, say, whether karen pence gives BJs to mikey.

Homosexuality violates people's religion. That's the problem. I can't force a Jihadi Butcher to sell me bacon or butcher a hog either.
He's entitled to his Heathenistic beliefs, just as the Oregon bakers are entitled to follow their Christian beliefs.

So...you are so confused that you think this is about forcing businesses to provide you with products they don't sell in the first place? Let me guess....you voted for trump.....

The Oregon Bakers were asked to provide a Gay Wedding Cake- a product they do not make. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the business,but there are any number of "Adult bakers" across the country that will bake a cake in the shape of any body part you can think of, or portraying anything, really.

They make wedding cakes...in fact the wife was on board...it was the husband who went ballistic and then doxxed the gay couple on Facebook, etc.

They made wedding cakes, they just don't make Gay wedding cakes.

 

[bodecea]

'Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act' seeks to strip gay marriage rights


I really have to wonder what the **** is wrong with these people! My only question is, are they so stupid and blindly driven by their bigotry that they don't know that any federal judge will immediately slap on injunction on this- because they would have to given the Obergefell precedent- OR is a a strategy to get the case back to SCOTUS?

My guess is that they are anticipating and provoking a court fight, but even if it gets to SCOTUS there is no certainty that Obergefell will be overturned. Never in our history a right-once established- been revoked. A Roberts, who seems to have become the new swing vote, is aware of the outrage that would insue and the stain on his legacy that it would inflict.

Nearly four years after the Supreme Court made same-sex marriage legal throughout the U.S. in its landmark Obergefell v. Hodges decision, Republican lawmakers in Tennessee are attempting to turn back the clock with legislation aimed at barring gay marriage in the state.


The "Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act," which was first proposed in 2016, seeks to "defend natural marriage between one man and one woman regardless of any court decision to the contrary." The bill, which was reintroduced on Friday, would deem the high court's Obergefell decision "unauthoritative, void, and of no effect."

And that is not all

The reintroduced "natural marriage" law, however, "isn't the only anti-LGBT bill on the docket right now," noted Sanders. He said there are at least five other bills in the state legislature that may threaten the rights of LGBTQ people in Tennessee. One of these bills, which was introduced in both the state House and Senate (Pody is the sponsor of the Senate bill), seeks to allow private adoption agencies to decline to participate in any child placement services that would "violate the agency's written religious or moral convictions." This type of legislation, which can already be found in 10 states across the U.S., creates barriers for LGBTQ individuals and same-sex couples looking to adopt or foster.

These people have to be, and will be stopped.

Why do you and your Boyfriend need the blessing of the State? Just get married.

The govt offer hundreds of benefits exclusively to married couples. They want those benefits.

(A link I posted earlier in this thread talk about 1,100 benefits)

A marriage, by definition, is between one man and one broad. Not a housekeeping arrangement between Butt Buddies.

Not legally.
marriage
noun
mar·riage | \ ˈmer-ij , ˈma-rij\
Definition of marriage


1asee usage paragraph below : the state of being united as spouses in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law
b: the mutual relation of married persons : WEDLOCK
c: the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
2: an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effectedespecially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
3: an intimate or close unionthe marriage of painting and poetry— J. T. Shawcross

 

[bodecea]

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A person in business must follow the laws regulating business. A public official must do his/her job of serving the public. Your opinion of someone else's sexual practices means absolutely nothing. I would not dare to discuss, say, whether karen pence gives BJs to mikey.

Homosexuality violates people's religion. That's the problem. I can't force a Jihadi Butcher to sell me bacon or butcher a hog either.
He's entitled to his Heathenistic beliefs, just as the Oregon bakers are entitled to follow their Christian beliefs.

So...you are so confused that you think this is about forcing businesses to provide you with products they don't sell in the first place? Let me guess....you voted for trump.....

The Oregon Bakers were asked to provide a Gay Wedding Cake- a product they do not make. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the business,but there are any number of "Adult bakers" across the country that will bake a cake in the shape of any body part you can think of, or portraying anything, really.

They make wedding cakes...in fact the wife was on board...it was the husband who went ballistic and then doxxed the gay couple on Facebook, etc.

They made wedding cakes, they just don't make Gay wedding cakes.

What exactly is a "gay wedding cake"?

 

[Polishprince]

Homosexuality violates people's religion. That's the problem. I can't force a Jihadi Butcher to sell me bacon or butcher a hog either.
He's entitled to his Heathenistic beliefs, just as the Oregon bakers are entitled to follow their Christian beliefs.

So...you are so confused that you think this is about forcing businesses to provide you with products they don't sell in the first place? Let me guess....you voted for trump.....

The Oregon Bakers were asked to provide a Gay Wedding Cake- a product they do not make. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the business,but there are any number of "Adult bakers" across the country that will bake a cake in the shape of any body part you can think of, or portraying anything, really.

They make wedding cakes...in fact the wife was on board...it was the husband who went ballistic and then doxxed the gay couple on Facebook, etc.

They made wedding cakes, they just don't make Gay wedding cakes.

What exactly is a "gay wedding cake"?

A Gay wedding cake is a baked item designed to celebrate a Gay marriage

 

[bodecea]

Homosexuality violates people's religion. That's the problem. I can't force a Jihadi Butcher to sell me bacon or butcher a hog either.
He's entitled to his Heathenistic beliefs, just as the Oregon bakers are entitled to follow their Christian beliefs.

So...you are so confused that you think this is about forcing businesses to provide you with products they don't sell in the first place? Let me guess....you voted for trump.....

The Oregon Bakers were asked to provide a Gay Wedding Cake- a product they do not make. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the business,but there are any number of "Adult bakers" across the country that will bake a cake in the shape of any body part you can think of, or portraying anything, really.

They make wedding cakes...in fact the wife was on board...it was the husband who went ballistic and then doxxed the gay couple on Facebook, etc.

They made wedding cakes, they just don't make Gay wedding cakes.

What exactly is a "gay wedding cake"?

Hello? What exactly is a "gay wedding cake"?

 

[bodecea]

So...you are so confused that you think this is about forcing businesses to provide you with products they don't sell in the first place? Let me guess....you voted for trump.....

The Oregon Bakers were asked to provide a Gay Wedding Cake- a product they do not make. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the business,but there are any number of "Adult bakers" across the country that will bake a cake in the shape of any body part you can think of, or portraying anything, really.

They make wedding cakes...in fact the wife was on board...it was the husband who went ballistic and then doxxed the gay couple on Facebook, etc.

They made wedding cakes, they just don't make Gay wedding cakes.

What exactly is a "gay wedding cake"?

A Gay wedding cake is a baked item designed to celebrate a Gay marriage

So there is such a thing as a straight wedding cake? What is the difference in how they are made or look?

 

[bodecea]

The Oregon Bakers were asked to provide a Gay Wedding Cake- a product they do not make. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the business,but there are any number of "Adult bakers" across the country that will bake a cake in the shape of any body part you can think of, or portraying anything, really.

They make wedding cakes...in fact the wife was on board...it was the husband who went ballistic and then doxxed the gay couple on Facebook, etc.

They made wedding cakes, they just don't make Gay wedding cakes.

What exactly is a "gay wedding cake"?

A Gay wedding cake is a baked item designed to celebrate a Gay marriage

So there is such a thing as a straight wedding cake? What is the difference in how they are made or look?

Apparently a hard question?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Homosexuality violates people's religion.

Then people who believe that should not practice homosexuality.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

That's the problem. I can't force a Jihadi Butcher to sell me bacon or butcher a hog either.

Brilliant.!! No one can be forced to sell anything that they don't normally sell. That is just another of your false equivalency logical fallacies,

 

[bodecea]

Apparently it's a hard question to answer as to the difference between a gay wedding cake and a straight wedding cake.

 

[bodecea]

That's the problem. I can't force a Jihadi Butcher to sell me bacon or butcher a hog either.

Brilliant.!! No one can be forced to sell anything that don't normally sell. That is just another of your false equivalency logical fallacies,

It's like he doesn't even know that......

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Obergefell did not overstep any bounds of constitutionality. Please review the 14th Amendment.
Outside of any constitutional argument, just what is your beef? The question of legal marriage is a CIVIL matter. Now, LGBTs can get married under CIVIL law and enjoy the LEGAL benefits of doing so.
Please recognize the difference between CIVIL LAW and the rules of whatever religion you have freely chosen to follow. Being legally married is under our U.S. civil law.
What being married means to you, under your chosen religion or ideology is up to you.
One of my uncles married a woman and had one child with her, my cousin. They divorced, and he married another, and had three children with her. They were never married in the Catholic Churrch with full ceremony, but they were married under civil law.
Marriage under civil U.S. law is so different than the concept of marriage that exists in the religious law that you choose to follow.

The issue is the creation of rights because people feel like it over sound principles. The 14th amendment isn't an open book that allows anything under "equal" to be inserted into it.

The issue is marriage contracts have always been the responsibility of the States. Using the courts to all of a sudden say a new concept such as SSM is now somehow a right is an end run around the constitution on dubious legal grounds. Obergfell would have been on much more sound legal footing if all they did was say even if a State doesn't want to issue SSM licenses, they had to recognize SSM licenses issued by other States (that passed it legislatively) under full faith and credit.

And your protestations about letting people be and do what they want falls hollow considering you are one of the "BAKE THAT ******* CAKE PEASANT" mafia members.

We all know your true goal is forcing acceptance as opposed to tolerance, and you will use government as a bludgeon to do it.

Also, I always find it comical when progressive thugs like you read into amendments to three of four layers to get what you want while ignoring the 2nd amendment's blunt assurance of the people's right to keep and bear arms. Of course expecting honestly and fairness out of a progressive hack like you is asking too much.

Equal treatment under the law stands under the 14th Amendment.
Once a right is established, it is established for all.
I am not a "thug."
Laws created only to please adherents of a particular ideology are not acceptable in the United States.
"Mafia members"? What is a "mafia member" to stand up for our public-public-accommodation laws and insist that they be followed as a condition of being licensed to do business in our communities?
Since the Muslim term "sharia 'law" has now become to stand for "religious law" in general, to which form of sharia law do you adhere? You seem to be in agreement that a state in the United States of America should be entitled to enforce some form of sharia law on its citizens.
CIVIL LAW is very different than the law that you accept when you choose a religion. Remember that choosing a religion is choosing a lifestyle. From your post, it appears that you have chosen, freely, a lifestyle that involves some mixture of the "Christian faith," guns, and hatred of LGBTs. It is a bizarre cult..

The 14th amendment isn't some open ended thing that allows progressive hacks like you to force other people to accept your morality.

Yet you support laws that appease your moral codes, and **** everyone else, right? Progressivism is more of a religion these days anyway.

How is a baker asking someone to please go to another baker for one specific item "Sharia Law"?

It's not about morality or religion , it's about due process and equal protection under the law. You people can't seem to understand that granting rights to others does not detract from your rights.

You totally evaded the sum and substance of his post, either that or you did not understand it.... or perhaps its over your head ? - Quite probable that it's over your head ... given your intellectual caliber one would have to assume that Sesame Street is more your level .... so lets do it this way ... why should big bird have to bake cookies for the cookie monster when all the cookie monster really wants is to **** big bird up the ass ... does that simplify things for you ?

Still obsessing about ass ******* I see.

 

[Lysistrata]

'Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act' seeks to strip gay marriage rights


I really have to wonder what the **** is wrong with these people! My only question is, are they so stupid and blindly driven by their bigotry that they don't know that any federal judge will immediately slap on injunction on this- because they would have to given the Obergefell precedent- OR is a a strategy to get the case back to SCOTUS?

My guess is that they are anticipating and provoking a court fight, but even if it gets to SCOTUS there is no certainty that Obergefell will be overturned. Never in our history a right-once established- been revoked. A Roberts, who seems to have become the new swing vote, is aware of the outrage that would insue and the stain on his legacy that it would inflict.

Nearly four years after the Supreme Court made same-sex marriage legal throughout the U.S. in its landmark Obergefell v. Hodges decision, Republican lawmakers in Tennessee are attempting to turn back the clock with legislation aimed at barring gay marriage in the state.


The "Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act," which was first proposed in 2016, seeks to "defend natural marriage between one man and one woman regardless of any court decision to the contrary." The bill, which was reintroduced on Friday, would deem the high court's Obergefell decision "unauthoritative, void, and of no effect."

And that is not all

The reintroduced "natural marriage" law, however, "isn't the only anti-LGBT bill on the docket right now," noted Sanders. He said there are at least five other bills in the state legislature that may threaten the rights of LGBTQ people in Tennessee. One of these bills, which was introduced in both the state House and Senate (Pody is the sponsor of the Senate bill), seeks to allow private adoption agencies to decline to participate in any child placement services that would "violate the agency's written religious or moral convictions." This type of legislation, which can already be found in 10 states across the U.S., creates barriers for LGBTQ individuals and same-sex couples looking to adopt or foster.

These people have to be, and will be stopped.

Why do you and your Boyfriend need the blessing of the State? Just get married.

The govt offer hundreds of benefits exclusively to married couples. They want those benefits.

(A link I posted earlier in this thread talk about 1,100 benefits)

A marriage, by definition, is between one man and one broad. Not a housekeeping arrangement between Butt Buddies.

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where is the delete button so that nothing is said in my name. A person who writes about entering a marriage with a "broad" is himself a a dirty lowlife. Did you actually wed some person knowing that you were not pure? Are you '"pure"? Were you?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Tennessee generally sucks when it comes to LGBT issues

Tennessee

 

[ABikerSailor]

Tennessee generally sucks when it comes to LGBT issues

Tennessee

Not just Tennessee Patriot, ANYWHERE in the Bible Belt sucks when it comes to LGBT issues.

 

[Polishprince]

That's the problem. I can't force a Jihadi Butcher to sell me bacon or butcher a hog either.

Brilliant.!! No one can be forced to sell anything that they don't normally sell. That is just another of your false equivalency logical fallacies,

Christian bakers don't ordinarily sell Gay Wedding Cakes. An entirely different confection than a Normative Wedding Cake.

 

[Polishprince]

Tennessee generally sucks when it comes to LGBT issues

Tennessee

There are a lot less homosexuality going on in Tennessee than there is in more permissive areas. The state made a decision to become more family orientated.

OTOH, places like San Francisco and West Hollywood made a conscious effort to promote the lifestyle. As a result, a lot bigger percentage of the population in San Francisco made a decision to come out for sodomy.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

That's the problem. I can't force a Jihadi Butcher to sell me bacon or butcher a hog either.

Brilliant.!! No one can be forced to sell anything that they don't normally sell. That is just another of your false equivalency logical fallacies,

Christian bakers don't ordinarily sell Gay Wedding Cakes. An entirely different confection than a Normative Wedding Cake.

So cakes have a sexual orientation? I love those cheese cakes. Know any hetero female cheese cakes?